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  1. O.K. I shall try and *explain*, just ONE THING in this thread. ( To
    start ... )

    I will talk about my own situation, as it is easier for you to be
    objective about it without emotional involvent.

    I also have an issue with the ' performance ' of one of my former
    psychiatrists. The context is similar to T1's in one sense and just
    as bad as T1's in another; yet opposite sense. It amounts to the same
    situation, overall.

    For very good reasons, I am told to "give it up"; to walk away from it
    ....
    Actually, I would be delighted to walk away.

    I cannot afford to do, so. Impossible.

    I am caught in this impossible bind. ... If I surrender, which is
    impossible for me, anyhow ... I could move forward in life. ... I
    cannot surrender. .. I cannot let go; even if my life depended upon
    it.

    People in my life, wisely urge me to "surrender". I am being
    unreasonable. It is futile. My course of action is a recipe for
    disaster.

    I REJECT THAT ... The person who is advising me is ramming their
    opinion down my throat. That person is demanding that I eat their
    words and accept it as the "truth", as reality, as final.

    Sorry. No. I cannot. .. To do so, would destroy my sense of self ...
    It would destroy my future. Sorry. No.

    ==============================

    What I have described is a 'Perceptual Illusion'. ... It is NOT how
    reality "is". It is how reality is perceived to be by "me", the Raving
    Loonie.

    Those who view me, perceive me to be stubborn, stuck, .. acting
    tragically and catrastrophically in my own regard. Yep.

    They are also being held prisoner by the SAME perceptual illusion that
    keeps me captive.

    What is the maddening illusion? ... Why is it happening? ... What can
    be done about it?

    Step #1 ... Why is it happening?

    When you can appreciate what is happening, you can recognize the
    situation. ... Eventually, you can escape the trap.

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    There is a contradiction, here.

    Remember the T. V. game show, Jeopardy?

    A game of Petitio Princippi ( Begging the question )

    Here is the answer. What is the question? ... it is considered to be
    a logical falicy.

    ------------------------

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    ... is a perceptual falicy. It is a trick of perspective; a trick
    of perception.

    The answer is being 'begged'. It is unecessary to provide an answer,
    NOW.

    Becoming more discursive, here ...

    A person asks you a question.

    Example: Does Clinton deserve to be president for his philandering
    with Monica Lewinski ?

    Yes or No?

    I WANT AN ANSWER. .. A simple yes or no. It's an important question.
    The answer exists.

    Yes or No, please. ... I will listen to nothing else, right now.

    And you have been 'suckered in' without even realizing it. You have
    been ticked; ... fooled.

    Look what happened!

    As soon as a person asks you a question directly ... You "know" that
    they expect an answer. You know that an answer exists and you are
    being called upon to provide the answer.

    Does Clinton deserve to be president for his philandering with Monica
    Lewinski ?

    Yes or No?

    Why do you *need* to answer the question?

    Why is the sky, blue?
    Does Fred Flinstone like tortillas?
    Who am I?

    If you are reading what I write and are being receptive to me; you are
    allowing me to steer and direct your "awareness"; your attention.

    You are allowing me to do that ... You are allowing me to compell you
    to provide an answer to a question.

    Or you are allowing yourself to assume that an answer is being called
    for; is expected to be forthcoming.

    .. PURELY ASSUMED. No answer is expected. No answer is
    necessary.

    Why is the sky, blue? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    Does Fred Flinstone like tortillas? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    Who am I? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    The answer does NOT necessarily "follow" from a question. For several
    reasons, we have a very compelling habit of assuming and insisting that
    it should follow.

    A conscious effort can be made to withold any consideration of the
    'Answer to a question'.

    Our natural tendency is to move forward in thought; to tunnel into the
    focus of our awareness... or "Answer the question".

    No need.

    --------------

    Returning to the 2 points of view.

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    I can look at each perspective as asking a question and thence
    immediately "Answering it"

    As in ...

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.

    Rolled out and speaking to self:

    a) Question: "Here is the situation with my former psychiatrist.. ...
    pain, agnony, *choking*, anger ..."

    b) Answer: "This is really how it is. It's important. I cannot
    write it off "

    * * *

    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    Rolled out and speaking to "self" as a friend who knows RL ...

    a) Question: "RL is saying that his former psychiatrist is the source
    of his problems. .. RL is mired, stuck, emotional, re-acting
    intensely, strained, utterly stuck. RL doesn't make sense. He is
    preoccupied with his ex psychiatrist.

    b) Answer: "This is a bad scene. Remaining stuck is going to drag him
    into certain disaster. He is irrational. .. He is behaving like
    someone who is mentally unwell. He needs help. He needs to be led or
    coerced out of this certain loosing situation. He must accept it. He
    must be convinced.

    * * *

    In both perspectives A and B, the question is the "observing of the
    situation " ...

    In RL's case ( Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go. ) it is looking
    back at his former psychiatrist. It's looking at how people view RL
    and his response to his former psychiatrist. It's looking at how people
    view his former psychiatrist.

    In the case of those who perceive RL ( Perspective "B" ... RL must let
    go. ) RL is struggling and failing while expert, caring, honest and
    effective people are trying to help him.

    I shall refrain from describing the follow on; the "Answer".

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.

    I can appreciate that others perceive this of me. I can accept that
    they don't undertand.

    .. I CAN PARK THE "THIOUGHT" FOR NOW. ... I do not need to follow
    through on it at this instant. .. I do NOT need to draw any
    conclusions at this moment.

    IN FACT, drawing conclusions just makes life very difficult for me; ..
    just gives me a headache. *Hopefully*, I will be better able to
    address the situation in the future.

    Cordially,

    RL

  2. Raving Loonie said:

    O.K. I shall try and *explain*, just ONE THING in this thread. ( To
    start ... )

    I will talk about my own situation, as it is easier for you to be
    objective about it without emotional involvent.

    I also have an issue with the ' performance ' of one of my former
    psychiatrists. The context is similar to T1's in one sense and just
    as bad as T1's in another; yet opposite sense. It amounts to the same
    situation, overall.

    For very good reasons, I am told to "give it up"; to walk away from it
    ...
    Actually, I would be delighted to walk away.

    I cannot afford to do, so. Impossible.

    I am caught in this impossible bind. ... If I surrender, which is
    impossible for me, anyhow ... I could move forward in life. ... I
    cannot surrender. .. I cannot let go; even if my life depended upon
    it.

    People in my life, wisely urge me to "surrender". I am being
    unreasonable. It is futile. My course of action is a recipe for
    disaster.

    I REJECT THAT ... The person who is advising me is ramming their
    opinion down my throat. That person is demanding that I eat their
    words and accept it as the "truth", as reality, as final.

    Sorry. No. I cannot. .. To do so, would destroy my sense of self ...
    It would destroy my future. Sorry. No.

    ==============================

    What I have described is a 'Perceptual Illusion'. ... It is NOT how
    reality "is". It is how reality is perceived to be by "me", the Raving
    Loonie.

    Those who view me, perceive me to be stubborn, stuck, .. acting
    tragically and catrastrophically in my own regard. Yep.

    They are also being held prisoner by the SAME perceptual illusion that
    keeps me captive.

    What is the maddening illusion? ... Why is it happening? ... What can
    be done about it?

    Step #1 ... Why is it happening?

    When you can appreciate what is happening, you can recognize the
    situation. ... Eventually, you can escape the trap.

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    There is a contradiction, here.

    Remember the T. V. game show, Jeopardy?

    A game of Petitio Princippi ( Begging the question )

    Here is the answer. What is the question? ... it is considered to be
    a logical falicy.

    ------------------------

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    ... is a perceptual falicy. It is a trick of perspective; a trick
    of perception.

    The answer is being 'begged'. It is unecessary to provide an answer,
    NOW.

    Becoming more discursive, here ...

    A person asks you a question.

    Example: Does Clinton deserve to be president for his philandering
    with Monica Lewinski ?

    Yes or No?

    I WANT AN ANSWER. .. A simple yes or no. It's an important question.
    The answer exists.

    Yes or No, please. ... I will listen to nothing else, right now.

    And you have been 'suckered in' without even realizing it. You have
    been ticked; ... fooled.

    Look what happened!

    As soon as a person asks you a question directly ... You "know" that
    they expect an answer. You know that an answer exists and you are
    being called upon to provide the answer.

    Does Clinton deserve to be president for his philandering with Monica
    Lewinski ?

    Yes or No?

    Why do you *need* to answer the question?

    Why is the sky, blue?
    Does Fred Flinstone like tortillas?
    Who am I?

    If you are reading what I write and are being receptive to me; you are
    allowing me to steer and direct your "awareness"; your attention.

    You are allowing me to do that ... You are allowing me to compell you
    to provide an answer to a question.

    Or you are allowing yourself to assume that an answer is being called
    for; is expected to be forthcoming.

    .. PURELY ASSUMED. No answer is expected. No answer is
    necessary.

    Why is the sky, blue? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    Does Fred Flinstone like tortillas? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    Who am I? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    The answer does NOT necessarily "follow" from a question. For several
    reasons, we have a very compelling habit of assuming and insisting that
    it should follow.

    A conscious effort can be made to withold any consideration of the
    'Answer to a question'.

    Our natural tendency is to move forward in thought; to tunnel into the
    focus of our awareness... or "Answer the question".

    No need.

    --------------

    Returning to the 2 points of view.

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    I can look at each perspective as asking a question and thence
    immediately "Answering it"

    As in ...

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.

    Rolled out and speaking to self:

    a) Question: "Here is the situation with my former psychiatrist.. ...
    pain, agnony, *choking*, anger ..."

    b) Answer: "This is really how it is. It's important. I cannot
    write it off "

    * * *

    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    Rolled out and speaking to "self" as a friend who knows RL ...

    a) Question: "RL is saying that his former psychiatrist is the source
    of his problems. .. RL is mired, stuck, emotional, re-acting
    intensely, strained, utterly stuck. RL doesn't make sense. He is
    preoccupied with his ex psychiatrist.

    b) Answer: "This is a bad scene. Remaining stuck is going to drag him
    into certain disaster. He is irrational. .. He is behaving like
    someone who is mentally unwell. He needs help. He needs to be led or
    coerced out of this certain loosing situation. He must accept it. He
    must be convinced.

    * * *

    In both perspectives A and B, the question is the "observing of the
    situation " ...

    In RL's case ( Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go. ) it is looking
    back at his former psychiatrist. It's looking at how people view RL
    and his response to his former psychiatrist. It's looking at how people
    view his former psychiatrist.

    In the case of those who perceive RL ( Perspective "B" ... RL must let
    go. ) RL is struggling and failing while expert, caring, honest and
    effective people are trying to help him.

    I shall refrain from describing the follow on; the "Answer".

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.

    I can appreciate that others perceive this of me. I can accept that
    they don't undertand.

    .. I CAN PARK THE "THIOUGHT" FOR NOW. ... I do not need to follow
    through on it at this instant. .. I do NOT need to draw any
    conclusions at this moment.

    IN FACT, drawing conclusions just makes life very difficult for me; ..
    just gives me a headache. *Hopefully*, I will be better able to
    address the situation in the future.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world----one or more narcissistic MHP's
    psychologically injured Virginia, destroyed her ability to work and
    support herself in the style she was accustomed to, got her evicted
    and homeless, defamed her as delusional to erode her identiy, got
    her violently and forced medicated------and, at present, these
    violent prone narcissists are poised to begin claiming they live in
    *Great Fear* of her to obtain a corrupt court order to have her removed
    from her neighborhood of 20 years----if not ordering her to leave the
    State of NY.

    You would be 100% correct in suggesting that Virginia is reacting to
    the psychopathic zero sum game being played against Virginia---by
    playing a victim psychpathic zero sum game of her own
    IF----antidepressants and stimulants weren't being DENIED her.

    But, the freinds of the narcisistic MHP's who created this WORM hole
    for Virginai are denying Virginia the antidepressants and/or stimulants
    she requires to have the initiative (as opposed to apathy) to do
    something to work her way out of the WORM hole the Narcissists created
    for her.

    YOU are not being denied antidepressants or stimulants ---so your and
    virginia's circumstances are NOT comparable---(unless I am mistaken
    about the fact you aren't being denied antidepressants or stimulants.)

    ..

  3. Sue me for posting facts said:
    Raving Loonie said:

    O.K. I shall try and *explain*, just ONE THING in this thread. ( To
    start ... )

    I will talk about my own situation, as it is easier for you to be
    objective about it without emotional involvent.

    I also have an issue with the ' performance ' of one of my former
    psychiatrists. The context is similar to T1's in one sense and just
    as bad as T1's in another; yet opposite sense. It amounts to the same
    situation, overall.

    For very good reasons, I am told to "give it up"; to walk away from it
    ...
    Actually, I would be delighted to walk away.

    I cannot afford to do, so. Impossible.

    I am caught in this impossible bind. ... If I surrender, which is
    impossible for me, anyhow ... I could move forward in life. ... I
    cannot surrender. .. I cannot let go; even if my life depended upon
    it.

    People in my life, wisely urge me to "surrender". I am being
    unreasonable. It is futile. My course of action is a recipe for
    disaster.

    I REJECT THAT ... The person who is advising me is ramming their
    opinion down my throat. That person is demanding that I eat their
    words and accept it as the "truth", as reality, as final.

    Sorry. No. I cannot. .. To do so, would destroy my sense of self ...
    It would destroy my future. Sorry. No.

    ==============================

    What I have described is a 'Perceptual Illusion'. ... It is NOT how
    reality "is". It is how reality is perceived to be by "me", the Raving
    Loonie.

    Those who view me, perceive me to be stubborn, stuck, .. acting
    tragically and catrastrophically in my own regard. Yep.

    They are also being held prisoner by the SAME perceptual illusion that
    keeps me captive.

    What is the maddening illusion? ... Why is it happening? ... What can
    be done about it?

    Step #1 ... Why is it happening?

    When you can appreciate what is happening, you can recognize the
    situation. ... Eventually, you can escape the trap.

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    There is a contradiction, here.

    Remember the T. V. game show, Jeopardy?

    A game of Petitio Princippi ( Begging the question )

    Here is the answer. What is the question? ... it is considered to be
    a logical falicy.

    ------------------------

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    ... is a perceptual falicy. It is a trick of perspective; a trick
    of perception.

    The answer is being 'begged'. It is unecessary to provide an answer,
    NOW.

    Becoming more discursive, here ...

    A person asks you a question.

    Example: Does Clinton deserve to be president for his philandering
    with Monica Lewinski ?

    Yes or No?

    I WANT AN ANSWER. .. A simple yes or no. It's an important question.
    The answer exists.

    Yes or No, please. ... I will listen to nothing else, right now.

    And you have been 'suckered in' without even realizing it. You have
    been ticked; ... fooled.

    Look what happened!

    As soon as a person asks you a question directly ... You "know" that
    they expect an answer. You know that an answer exists and you are
    being called upon to provide the answer.

    Does Clinton deserve to be president for his philandering with Monica
    Lewinski ?

    Yes or No?

    Why do you *need* to answer the question?

    Why is the sky, blue?
    Does Fred Flinstone like tortillas?
    Who am I?

    If you are reading what I write and are being receptive to me; you are
    allowing me to steer and direct your "awareness"; your attention.

    You are allowing me to do that ... You are allowing me to compell you
    to provide an answer to a question.

    Or you are allowing yourself to assume that an answer is being called
    for; is expected to be forthcoming.

    .. PURELY ASSUMED. No answer is expected. No answer is
    necessary.

    Why is the sky, blue? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    Does Fred Flinstone like tortillas? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    Who am I? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    The answer does NOT necessarily "follow" from a question. For several
    reasons, we have a very compelling habit of assuming and insisting that
    it should follow.

    A conscious effort can be made to withold any consideration of the
    'Answer to a question'.

    Our natural tendency is to move forward in thought; to tunnel into the
    focus of our awareness... or "Answer the question".

    No need.

    --------------

    Returning to the 2 points of view.

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    I can look at each perspective as asking a question and thence
    immediately "Answering it"

    As in ...

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.

    Rolled out and speaking to self:

    a) Question: "Here is the situation with my former psychiatrist.. ...
    pain, agnony, *choking*, anger ..."

    b) Answer: "This is really how it is. It's important. I cannot
    write it off "

    * * *

    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    Rolled out and speaking to "self" as a friend who knows RL ...

    a) Question: "RL is saying that his former psychiatrist is the source
    of his problems. .. RL is mired, stuck, emotional, re-acting
    intensely, strained, utterly stuck. RL doesn't make sense. He is
    preoccupied with his ex psychiatrist.

    b) Answer: "This is a bad scene. Remaining stuck is going to drag him
    into certain disaster. He is irrational. .. He is behaving like
    someone who is mentally unwell. He needs help. He needs to be led or
    coerced out of this certain loosing situation. He must accept it. He
    must be convinced.

    * * *

    In both perspectives A and B, the question is the "observing of the
    situation " ...

    In RL's case ( Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go. ) it is looking
    back at his former psychiatrist. It's looking at how people view RL
    and his response to his former psychiatrist. It's looking at how people
    view his former psychiatrist.

    In the case of those who perceive RL ( Perspective "B" ... RL must let
    go. ) RL is struggling and failing while expert, caring, honest and
    effective people are trying to help him.

    I shall refrain from describing the follow on; the "Answer".

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.

    I can appreciate that others perceive this of me. I can accept that
    they don't undertand.

    .. I CAN PARK THE "THIOUGHT" FOR NOW. ... I do not need to follow
    through on it at this instant. .. I do NOT need to draw any
    conclusions at this moment.

    IN FACT, drawing conclusions just makes life very difficult for me; ..
    just gives me a headache. *Hopefully*, I will be better able to
    address the situation in the future.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world----one or more narcissistic MHP's
    psychologically injured Virginia, destroyed her ability to work and
    support herself in the style she was accustomed to, got her evicted
    and homeless, defamed her as delusional to erode her identiy, got
    her violently and forced medicated------and, at present, these
    violent prone narcissists are poised to begin claiming they live in
    *Great Fear* of her to obtain a corrupt court order to have her removed
    from her neighborhood of 20 years----if not ordering her to leave the
    State of NY.

    You would be 100% correct in suggesting that Virginia is reacting to
    the psychopathic zero sum game being played against Virginia---by
    playing a victim psychpathic zero sum game of her own
    IF----antidepressants and stimulants weren't being DENIED her.

    But, the freinds of the narcisistic MHP's who created this WORM hole
    for Virginai are denying Virginia the antidepressants and/or stimulants
    she requires to have the initiative (as opposed to apathy) to do
    something to work her way out of the WORM hole the Narcissists created
    for her.

    YOU are not being denied antidepressants or stimulants ---so your and
    virginia's circumstances are NOT comparable---(unless I am mistaken
    about the fact you aren't being denied antidepressants or stimulants.)


    We are dealing with ' DESCRIPTIONS ', Linda ...

    The mistake that everyone makes is to automatically " assume " that
    descriptions must be

    decided or acted upon ...

    Taking that which is ' PERCIEVED ' and USING the
    SIGNIFICANCE-OF-THAT-PERCEPTION for

    <<more>> than is 'sensible' is the PROBLEM, here !

    Words are descriptions. ... observations

    There are endless inferences which can be drawn.

    Each inference is it's own hyperfocus.

    The tragic mistake is to take it more seriously and/or sincerely than
    it deserves.

    .. It is the quitessential human tragedy.

    It is utter deadly. ... easily preventable. ... tragic, needless
    wastage and grief
    ... on ALL SIDES.

  4. Raving Loonie said:
    Sue me for posting facts said:
    Raving Loonie said:

    O.K. I shall try and *explain*, just ONE THING in this thread. ( To
    start ... )

    I will talk about my own situation, as it is easier for you to be
    objective about it without emotional involvent.

    I also have an issue with the ' performance ' of one of my former
    psychiatrists. The context is similar to T1's in one sense and just
    as bad as T1's in another; yet opposite sense. It amounts to the same
    situation, overall.

    For very good reasons, I am told to "give it up"; to walk away from it
    ...
    Actually, I would be delighted to walk away.

    I cannot afford to do, so. Impossible.

    I am caught in this impossible bind. ... If I surrender, which is
    impossible for me, anyhow ... I could move forward in life. ... I
    cannot surrender. .. I cannot let go; even if my life depended upon
    it.

    People in my life, wisely urge me to "surrender". I am being
    unreasonable. It is futile. My course of action is a recipe for
    disaster.

    I REJECT THAT ... The person who is advising me is ramming their
    opinion down my throat. That person is demanding that I eat their
    words and accept it as the "truth", as reality, as final.

    Sorry. No. I cannot. .. To do so, would destroy my sense of self ...
    It would destroy my future. Sorry. No.

    ==============================

    What I have described is a 'Perceptual Illusion'. ... It is NOT how
    reality "is". It is how reality is perceived to be by "me", the Raving
    Loonie.

    Those who view me, perceive me to be stubborn, stuck, .. acting
    tragically and catrastrophically in my own regard. Yep.

    They are also being held prisoner by the SAME perceptual illusion that
    keeps me captive.

    What is the maddening illusion? ... Why is it happening? ... What can
    be done about it?

    Step #1 ... Why is it happening?

    When you can appreciate what is happening, you can recognize the
    situation. ... Eventually, you can escape the trap.

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    There is a contradiction, here.

    Remember the T. V. game show, Jeopardy?

    A game of Petitio Princippi ( Begging the question )

    Here is the answer. What is the question? ... it is considered to be
    a logical falicy.

    ------------------------

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    ... is a perceptual falicy. It is a trick of perspective; a trick
    of perception.

    The answer is being 'begged'. It is unecessary to provide an answer,
    NOW.

    Becoming more discursive, here ...

    A person asks you a question.

    Example: Does Clinton deserve to be president for his philandering
    with Monica Lewinski ?

    Yes or No?

    I WANT AN ANSWER. .. A simple yes or no. It's an important question.
    The answer exists.

    Yes or No, please. ... I will listen to nothing else, right now.

    And you have been 'suckered in' without even realizing it. You have
    been ticked; ... fooled.

    Look what happened!

    As soon as a person asks you a question directly ... You "know" that
    they expect an answer. You know that an answer exists and you are
    being called upon to provide the answer.

    Does Clinton deserve to be president for his philandering with Monica
    Lewinski ?

    Yes or No?

    Why do you *need* to answer the question?

    Why is the sky, blue?
    Does Fred Flinstone like tortillas?
    Who am I?

    If you are reading what I write and are being receptive to me; you are
    allowing me to steer and direct your "awareness"; your attention.

    You are allowing me to do that ... You are allowing me to compell you
    to provide an answer to a question.

    Or you are allowing yourself to assume that an answer is being called
    for; is expected to be forthcoming.

    .. PURELY ASSUMED. No answer is expected. No answer is
    necessary.

    Why is the sky, blue? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    Does Fred Flinstone like tortillas? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    Who am I? ... DON'T THINK about the answer.

    The answer does NOT necessarily "follow" from a question. For several
    reasons, we have a very compelling habit of assuming and insisting that
    it should follow.

    A conscious effort can be made to withold any consideration of the
    'Answer to a question'.

    Our natural tendency is to move forward in thought; to tunnel into the
    focus of our awareness... or "Answer the question".

    No need.

    --------------

    Returning to the 2 points of view.

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.
    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    I can look at each perspective as asking a question and thence
    immediately "Answering it"

    As in ...

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.

    Rolled out and speaking to self:

    a) Question: "Here is the situation with my former psychiatrist.. ...
    pain, agnony, *choking*, anger ..."

    b) Answer: "This is really how it is. It's important. I cannot
    write it off "

    * * *

    Perspective "B" ... RL must let go.

    Rolled out and speaking to "self" as a friend who knows RL ...

    a) Question: "RL is saying that his former psychiatrist is the source
    of his problems. .. RL is mired, stuck, emotional, re-acting
    intensely, strained, utterly stuck. RL doesn't make sense. He is
    preoccupied with his ex psychiatrist.

    b) Answer: "This is a bad scene. Remaining stuck is going to drag him
    into certain disaster. He is irrational. .. He is behaving like
    someone who is mentally unwell. He needs help. He needs to be led or
    coerced out of this certain loosing situation. He must accept it. He
    must be convinced.

    * * *

    In both perspectives A and B, the question is the "observing of the
    situation " ...

    In RL's case ( Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go. ) it is looking
    back at his former psychiatrist. It's looking at how people view RL
    and his response to his former psychiatrist. It's looking at how people
    view his former psychiatrist.

    In the case of those who perceive RL ( Perspective "B" ... RL must let
    go. ) RL is struggling and failing while expert, caring, honest and
    effective people are trying to help him.

    I shall refrain from describing the follow on; the "Answer".

    Perspective "A" ... RL cannot let go.

    I can appreciate that others perceive this of me. I can accept that
    they don't undertand.

    .. I CAN PARK THE "THIOUGHT" FOR NOW. ... I do not need to follow
    through on it at this instant. .. I do NOT need to draw any
    conclusions at this moment.

    IN FACT, drawing conclusions just makes life very difficult for me; ..
    just gives me a headache. *Hopefully*, I will be better able to
    address the situation in the future.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world----one or more narcissistic MHP's
    psychologically injured Virginia, destroyed her ability to work and
    support herself in the style she was accustomed to, got her evicted
    and homeless, defamed her as delusional to erode her identiy, got
    her violently and forced medicated------and, at present, these
    violent prone narcissists are poised to begin claiming they live in
    *Great Fear* of her to obtain a corrupt court order to have her removed
    from her neighborhood of 20 years----if not ordering her to leave the
    State of NY.

    You would be 100% correct in suggesting that Virginia is reacting to
    the psychopathic zero sum game being played against Virginia---by
    playing a victim psychpathic zero sum game of her own
    IF----antidepressants and stimulants weren't being DENIED her.

    But, the freinds of the narcisistic MHP's who created this WORM hole
    for Virginai are denying Virginia the antidepressants and/or stimulants
    she requires to have the initiative (as opposed to apathy) to do
    something to work her way out of the WORM hole the Narcissists created
    for her.

    YOU are not being denied antidepressants or stimulants ---so your and
    virginia's circumstances are NOT comparable---(unless I am mistaken
    about the fact you aren't being denied antidepressants or stimulants.)


    We are dealing with ' DESCRIPTIONS ', Linda ...

    The mistake that everyone makes is to automatically " assume " that
    descriptions must be

    decided or acted upon ...

    Taking that which is ' PERCIEVED ' and USING the
    SIGNIFICANCE-OF-THAT-PERCEPTION for

    <<more>> than is 'sensible' is the PROBLEM, here !

    Words are descriptions. ... observations

    There are endless inferences which can be drawn.

    Each inference is it's own hyperfocus.

    The tragic mistake is to take it more seriously and/or sincerely than
    it deserves.

    .. It is the quitessential human tragedy.

    It is utter deadly. ... easily preventable. ... tragic, needless
    wastage and grief

    I agree that Twittering One's narcissistic abusers are playing a DEADLY
    psychopathic zero sum game against Twittering one.

    I also understand why you are projecting your [censored] onto T1 wrt her
    reactions.

    But, it's not true.

    T1 is begging for the antidepressant or stimulants T1 needs to jump
    start her so she can claw her way out of the worm hole her narcissistic
    abusers have trapped her in.

    Her narcissitic abusers are using the power of the prescription pad to
    deny her the antidepressants or stimulants she needs to preclude her
    from having the initiative and clarity of mind needed to do the things
    she needs to do to claw her way out of this worm hole.

    Why not help encourage T1 to get a hold of european made St. John's
    Wort OR s-AME.

    then, she might even be capable of discussing the choices T1 has
    regarding the narcissists playing psychopathic zero sum games to
    eliminate her.

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