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Mike Vandeman
Guest
At 01:27 PM 2/23/04 +0000, john jans wrote:
>"The last race was held last September 23. I visited the park four days later,
to document the damage that was done to the park. The race course was twenty miles long, so I knew I
couldn't possibly hike it in a day. Consequently I borrowed a friend's mountain bike. It was lucky
that I did, because I discovered that, contrary to what the mountain bikers claim, riding a bike off
of paved roads is no fun at all! I rode only on fire roads, but even there, I was continually
subject to violent jarring, due to the hoof- and tire-pocked "washboard" surface of the road. (I
know that there are bikes with a so-called "suspension", but there is no way to make a ride like
that "smooth" or enjoyable.) Not only was the ride physically very unpleasant, but having to
continually watch the trail and try to control the bike meant that it was impossible to enjoy the
scenery or listen to the subtle sounds of nature. So much for the mountain bikers' claims that they
use bikes to "enjoy nature"!"
>My comments.
>First: Just because YOU cannot control your bike
I didn'a say that, liar. I said that controlling the bike takes one's attention away from nature.
That's obvious.
> and enjoy mountain biking doesn't mean that ALL mountain bikers are
out-of-control
I didn't say that, liar. Why do mountain bikers have so much trouble telling the truth?????
>and do not enjoy their outdoor experience.
I never said that, liar. I said that they are less aware of their surroundings than a hiker.
> Every trail ride that I have ever done is filled with enjoyment and
opportunities to enjoy nature - clean air, no cars, watching birds... this is not the sole realm of
the hiker.
But MOST of your attention is necessarily directed to controlling the bike and not crashing. That is
UNAVOIDABLE, when on a bike.
>Second: The day that hikers give up their hiking boots and hike barefoot,
that's the day that I'll throw away my mountain bike.
There's no comparison between the impacts of flat-soled (or even lugged) shoes & knobby mountain
bike tires. Besides, there ARE hikers who hike barefoot.
> Everyone needs mechanical assistance to "enjoy" their outdoor experience,
A bike doesn't help one enjoy nature. It actually INTERFERES with the enjoyment of nature, as I
explained. Try telling the truth for once.
> at the expense of the soil that we tread upon. Hikers are no different despite
their continual finger-pointing.
Weren't you just pointing your finger at hikers, hypocrite?
>JMJ
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>"The last race was held last September 23. I visited the park four days later,
to document the damage that was done to the park. The race course was twenty miles long, so I knew I
couldn't possibly hike it in a day. Consequently I borrowed a friend's mountain bike. It was lucky
that I did, because I discovered that, contrary to what the mountain bikers claim, riding a bike off
of paved roads is no fun at all! I rode only on fire roads, but even there, I was continually
subject to violent jarring, due to the hoof- and tire-pocked "washboard" surface of the road. (I
know that there are bikes with a so-called "suspension", but there is no way to make a ride like
that "smooth" or enjoyable.) Not only was the ride physically very unpleasant, but having to
continually watch the trail and try to control the bike meant that it was impossible to enjoy the
scenery or listen to the subtle sounds of nature. So much for the mountain bikers' claims that they
use bikes to "enjoy nature"!"
>My comments.
>First: Just because YOU cannot control your bike
I didn'a say that, liar. I said that controlling the bike takes one's attention away from nature.
That's obvious.
> and enjoy mountain biking doesn't mean that ALL mountain bikers are
out-of-control
I didn't say that, liar. Why do mountain bikers have so much trouble telling the truth?????
>and do not enjoy their outdoor experience.
I never said that, liar. I said that they are less aware of their surroundings than a hiker.
> Every trail ride that I have ever done is filled with enjoyment and
opportunities to enjoy nature - clean air, no cars, watching birds... this is not the sole realm of
the hiker.
But MOST of your attention is necessarily directed to controlling the bike and not crashing. That is
UNAVOIDABLE, when on a bike.
>Second: The day that hikers give up their hiking boots and hike barefoot,
that's the day that I'll throw away my mountain bike.
There's no comparison between the impacts of flat-soled (or even lugged) shoes & knobby mountain
bike tires. Besides, there ARE hikers who hike barefoot.
> Everyone needs mechanical assistance to "enjoy" their outdoor experience,
A bike doesn't help one enjoy nature. It actually INTERFERES with the enjoyment of nature, as I
explained. Try telling the truth for once.
> at the expense of the soil that we tread upon. Hikers are no different despite
their continual finger-pointing.
Weren't you just pointing your finger at hikers, hypocrite?
>JMJ
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande