The point of what started your anti LA rant was not if LA doped or not, but that if the TDF was clean 100% , LA still would have been a contender. The other point was that if the other contenders were using EPO, it levels the playing field. And that the use of EPO does turn a non-climber into a climber all by itself.
The LA "Did he or didn't he " has been covered so many times it is now boring......
And the use of amphetamines ar far more then an infraction. An overdose of coffee is an infraction. I fully understand the nature of amphetemines.....Real well. And it is far more then just a little helper. And yes, a doping program with EPO is going to do more for a rider then a shot of the magic powder. But if the EPO doping program is available and used by your competitors, where is the advantage to one rider more then another?
I have not apologised for the doping practices of the riders of any generation nor have I said LA would never do that.
But I will say this...... if you thought you were watching the TDF anytime in the last 30 years and was seeing a sport that was not dope riddled, you are delusional..... Everyone likes to claim the Lemond years were dope free. Look at the suspensions of riders during that time. It's just now we have "holier then thou" people wanting to believe their sport is clean. Back then, no one really cared, they just accepted it. Look at the Eddy Merckx worship going on..... He was convicted 3xxx. And I bet you would get down and kiss his ass at Interbike if he asked you to...... [I would]
Lemond never spoke up while riding about the riders around him doping ...... Knettemann, Kuiper, Fignon, Delgado..... until he was no longer competitive. Then he spoke out..... But if you have ever been around Lemond, that is his nature.
The LA "Did he or didn't he " has been covered so many times it is now boring......
Without going back didn't Walsh testify that he never paid the witness, and then later he admitted he did? Something about that goes back to sleazy journalism.Bro Deal said:Citation, please.
Again...... You are jumping to conclusions based on what you are think was said.. What I am saying is that increased cadence does help when the cadence is increased throughout the entire event or riding cycle.. Not just when the rider rides at his limit. Being a ex-sprinter I know what Lemond is referring to. And we are talking about increased cadence helping a rider in the mountains. You are comparing the apples I presented to oranges......[/QUOTE]Bro Deal said:You mean the same Greg Lemond who confronted Dr. Coyle about how increasing cadence when you are at your limits will put you into oxygen debt and cause you to reduce power in order to prevent that? That Greg Lemond? Or do you mean the Greg Lemond who raced against older U.S. riders while being forced to use junior gearing? Or do you mean the Greg Lemond who has disputed Armstrong's claims of power increases due to cadence increases?
You need to read closer. It is true that n my strange world I have pointed out many times that the riders[contenders] in the TDF were doped to the gills from the time I started following the sport. But where you are wrong is where I have said that LA is not guilty. What I am saying is that LA had potential for greatness at a early age. Not that he is th eonly rider in the TDF that is clean.Bro Deal said:In the strange world of Wolfix everyone doped except Armstrong, and pointing out Mickey Mouse amphetamine infractions during the 70s somehow excuses the remote possibility, probably never happened, I dont believe it, he would never do it chance that Armstrong doped.
And the use of amphetamines ar far more then an infraction. An overdose of coffee is an infraction. I fully understand the nature of amphetemines.....Real well. And it is far more then just a little helper. And yes, a doping program with EPO is going to do more for a rider then a shot of the magic powder. But if the EPO doping program is available and used by your competitors, where is the advantage to one rider more then another?
I have not apologised for the doping practices of the riders of any generation nor have I said LA would never do that.
But I will say this...... if you thought you were watching the TDF anytime in the last 30 years and was seeing a sport that was not dope riddled, you are delusional..... Everyone likes to claim the Lemond years were dope free. Look at the suspensions of riders during that time. It's just now we have "holier then thou" people wanting to believe their sport is clean. Back then, no one really cared, they just accepted it. Look at the Eddy Merckx worship going on..... He was convicted 3xxx. And I bet you would get down and kiss his ass at Interbike if he asked you to...... [I would]
Lemond never spoke up while riding about the riders around him doping ...... Knettemann, Kuiper, Fignon, Delgado..... until he was no longer competitive. Then he spoke out..... But if you have ever been around Lemond, that is his nature.