Ullrich in Tour de Suisse (spoiler) and VaC

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  1. He lost 2.52 to Casagrande in the mountains today. Neither Zülle nor Julich did well. Vinokourov
    impresses!

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/tourdesuisse03/?id=results/st age5

    You can watch it with some delay on Viasat Sport (Europe). (I need to go to a sports bar!) Tomorrow
    looks like a good stage too and the ITT is Tuesday.

    In Volta a Catalunya, Heras is doing fine. Casero is 4th in the general classification and was 5th
    today. Vicioso did well in today's ITT and Botero did ok (even to his standards). But the man to
    watch is José Antonio Pecharroman (Paternina-Costa del Almeria). That team isn't in the tour
    unfortunately!

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/Catalunya03/?id=results/stage 6

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    «Wänn i de Schwitz s Volk redet, händ d Politikär ruhig sii.»
     
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  2. "Malte Lewan Neelsen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:1fwxbq5.8y1jzk53h7tuN%[email protected]...
    > He lost 2.52 to Casagrande in the mountains today. Neither Zülle nor Julich did well. Vinokourov
    > impresses!

    Vino impressed but still lost the jersey to Casa. Ullrich was behind but still made some
    impression by chasing and catching the first group on the Albuna pass. Zulle and Julich won't be
    missed in the Tour...

    Nice pictures today. Great scenery, good riding. Tomorrow another interesting stage.

    > In Volta a Catalunya, Heras is doing fine. Casero is 4th in the general classification and was 5th
    > today. Vicioso did well in today's ITT and Botero did ok (even to his standards). But the man to
    > watch is José Antonio Pecharroman (Paternina-Costa del Almeria). That team isn't in the tour
    > unfortunately!

    Dunno, do they have the same team doctor as Milaneza? I mean, where is he suddenly coming from?

    Erik
     
  3. Us

    Us Guest

    uhhmm how is Heras losing 43 second (actually 52 figureing in the initail 9 second lead) in a
    climbers ITT to a reletive newcommer classified as doing fine? Oh and on the second to last stage to
    a STRONG newcommer at that?

    To me the real news from Tour Suisse was McGee dropping (like a stone) 9 places on GC.

    Botero? GC postion.. 52 Santiago Botero (Col) Telekom 39.34 uuummmmmmmmmm that speaks volumes....
    Large volumes, in bold type.

    and yes I do read race summeries daily.

    Malte Lewan Neelsen wrote:

    > He lost 2.52 to Casagrande in the mountains today. Neither Zülle nor Julich did well. Vinokourov
    > impresses!
    >
    > http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/tourdesuisse03/?id=results/st age5
    >
    > You can watch it with some delay on Viasat Sport (Europe). (I need to go to a sports bar!)
    > Tomorrow looks like a good stage too and the ITT is Tuesday.
    >
    > In Volta a Catalunya, Heras is doing fine. Casero is 4th in the general classification and was 5th
    > today. Vicioso did well in today's ITT and Botero did ok (even to his standards). But the man to
    > watch is José Antonio Pecharroman (Paternina-Costa del Almeria). That team isn't in the tour
    > unfortunately!
    >
    > http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/Catalunya03/?id=results/stage 6
     
  4. In article <[email protected]>, "Erik van Leeuwen" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Malte Lewan Neelsen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:1fwxbq5.8y1jzk53h7tuN%[email protected]...
    > > He lost 2.52 to Casagrande in the mountains today. Neither Zülle nor Julich did well. Vinokourov
    > > impresses!
    >
    > Vino impressed but still lost the jersey to Casa. Ullrich was behind but still made some
    > impression by chasing and catching the first group on the Albuna pass. Zulle and Julich won't be
    > missed in the Tour...
    >
    > Nice pictures today. Great scenery, good riding. Tomorrow another interesting stage.
    >

    I love the TDS-, great scenery!

    ZUlle won last year, he has nothing to prove. Hasn't casagrande won once? Let's hope Vino doesn't
    crash like he did last year!
     
  5. Otto

    Otto Guest

    us <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > uhhmm how is Heras losing 43 second (actually 52 figureing in the initail 9 second lead) in a
    > climbers ITT to a reletive newcommer classified as doing fine? Oh and on the second to last stage
    > to a STRONG newcommer at that?

    Considering that it was expected for Pecho-whateverhisnameis was expected to take the TT, and that
    TT is Hera's weak point, I think it's safe to assume the Hera's is doing more than fine, and has
    certainly improved his TT form. Case in point: finishing ahead of Botero.
     
  6. > To me the real news from Tour Suisse was McGee dropping (like a stone) 9 places on GC.

    I think he's doing great in these huge mountains. Long attack today, didn't lose much in the end.

    > Botero? GC postion.. 52 Santiago Botero (Col) Telekom 39.34 uuummmmmmmmmm that speaks volumes....
    > Large volumes, in bold type.

    Small volumes IMO. Look at his TT yesterday. Just preparing...

    Erik
     
  7. Us

    Us Guest

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/Catalunya03/?id=results/stage7

    looks less than fine to me.... unless your judgement of "fime" is goverened by his apparent ability
    to work for LA in France, which in my mind is never suspect..... In my mind "fine" would state that
    one held ones ground in the ITT (or any stage for that matter) or didn't cede a large amoount of
    time to the nearest competitor..... and yes I believe I did acknowledge that Heras is not a strong
    ITT rider. Botero? pppbbbbtttt! his GC speaks for itself........... Heras could have gotten off his
    bike and waited for SB then had a quick lunch before he would have been a factor. Hopefully by the
    Vuelta the Posties can/will ride a race where Heras doesn't have to defend the jersey in the ITT,
    cause the guys a climber fer crying out loud.

    otto wrote:
    > us <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    >>uhhmm how is Heras losing 43 second (actually 52 figureing in the initail 9 second lead) in a
    >>climbers ITT to a reletive newcommer classified as doing fine? Oh and on the second to last stage
    >>to a STRONG newcommer at that?
    >
    >
    > Considering that it was expected for Pecho-whateverhisnameis was expected to take the TT, and that
    > TT is Hera's weak point, I think it's safe to assume the Hera's is doing more than fine, and has
    > certainly improved his TT form. Case in point: finishing ahead of Botero.
     
  8. Kyle Legate

    Kyle Legate Guest

    otto wrote:
    >
    > Considering that it was expected for Pecho-whateverhisnameis was expected to take the TT, and that
    > TT is Hera's weak point, I think it's safe to assume the Hera's is doing more than fine, and has
    > certainly improved his TT form. Case in point: finishing ahead of Botero.
    >
    It was mostly uphill and favoured the climbers more than the pure TT specialists. Heras is a
    climber. Therefore, he should have done better than he did.
     
  9. Us

    Us Guest

    that's wht I thought.... and today's mass sprint didn't help...

    Kyle Legate wrote:

    > otto wrote:
    >
    >>Considering that it was expected for Pecho-whateverhisnameis was expected to take the TT, and that
    >>TT is Hera's weak point, I think it's safe to assume the Hera's is doing more than fine, and has
    >>certainly improved his TT form. Case in point: finishing ahead of Botero.
    >>
    >
    > It was mostly uphill and favoured the climbers more than the pure TT specialists. Heras is a
    > climber. Therefore, he should have done better than he did.
     
  10. Tom Kunich

    Tom Kunich Guest

    Nice to see that you guys are so knowledgeable about this race from looking at finishing times.

    Most people would think that Heras is a steep pitch climber and that there are many climbers that
    can out-distance him on lesser grades. What do they know?

    But I don't have to tell you any of this because you already have the world figured out.

    "us" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > that's wht I thought.... and today's mass sprint didn't help...
    >
    > Kyle Legate wrote:
    >
    > > otto wrote:
    > >
    > >>Considering that it was expected for Pecho-whateverhisnameis was expected to take the TT, and
    > >>that TT is Hera's weak point, I think it's safe to assume the Hera's is doing more than fine,
    > >>and has certainly improved his TT form. Case in point: finishing ahead of Botero.
    > >>
    > >
    > > It was mostly uphill and favoured the climbers more than the pure
    TT
    > > specialists. Heras is a climber. Therefore, he should have done
    better than
    > > he did.
    > >
    >
     
  11. Warren

    Warren Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, Tom Kunich
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Nice to see that you guys are so knowledgeable about this race from looking at finishing times.
    >
    > Most people would think that Heras is a steep pitch climber and that there are many climbers that
    > can out-distance him on lesser grades.

    Interesting. Some guy named Lance made the same comment last year during the Tour.

    -WG
     
  12. Otto

    Otto Guest

    "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > Nice to see that you guys are so knowledgeable about this race from looking at finishing times.
    >
    actually i was basing it on seeing highlights, if truth be told.

    but thanks for the inspiring insights to our character
     
  13. Us

    Us Guest

    and what you're there riding it?

    Tom Kunich wrote:

    > Nice to see that you guys are so knowledgeable about this race from looking at finishing times.
    >
    > Most people would think that Heras is a steep pitch climber and that there are many climbers that
    > can out-distance him on lesser grades. What do they know?
    >
    > But I don't have to tell you any of this because you already have the world figured out.
    >
    > "us" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>that's wht I thought.... and today's mass sprint didn't help...
    >>
    >>Kyle Legate wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>otto wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Considering that it was expected for Pecho-whateverhisnameis was expected to take the TT, and
    >>>>that TT is Hera's weak point, I think it's safe to assume the Hera's is doing more than fine,
    >>>>and has certainly improved his TT form. Case in point: finishing ahead of Botero.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>It was mostly uphill and favoured the climbers more than the pure
    >
    > TT
    >
    >>>specialists. Heras is a climber. Therefore, he should have done
    >
    > better than
    >
    >>>he did.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
     
  14. Us

    Us Guest

    golly he's right I must have only read the finish list and never considered the route profiles or
    god forbid how he's raced in the past.... or how other riders are faring on the same course.... yep
    I'm an idiot. :p

    otto wrote:

    > "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    >>Nice to see that you guys are so knowledgeable about this race from looking at finishing times.
    >>
    >
    > actually i was basing it on seeing highlights, if truth be told.
    >
    > but thanks for the inspiring insights to our character
     
  15. Malte Lewan Neelsen <[email protected]> wrote:
    > He lost 2.52 to Casagrande in the mountains today. Neither Zülle nor Julich did well. Vinokourov
    > impresses!

    And won (Vinokourov the TdS, that is)! Casagrande cracked in the final ITT (like in the Giro two or
    three years ago?). But the big news probably are that Ullrich got the third place in the ITT. He can
    still do something in the Tour.

    > In Volta a Catalunya, Heras is doing fine. Casero is 4th in the general classification and was 5th
    > today. Vicioso did well in today's ITT and Botero did ok (even to his standards). But the man to
    > watch is José Antonio Pecharroman (Paternina-Costa del Almeria). That team isn't in the tour
    > unfortunately!

    Pecharroman won.

    --
    «Wänn i de Schwitz s Volk redet, händ d Politikär ruhig sii.»
     
  16. It's fairly obvious that Ullrich is not up to his form in 1997 after finishing 3rd in the TT today.
    If Jan was on form he would be leading the Tour de Suisse. In all likelyhood Ullrich will try and
    contend for some the other jerseys in the TDF.

    [email protected] (Malte Lewan Neelsen) wrote in message
    news:<1fwxbq5.8y1jzk53h7tuN%[email protected]>...
    > He lost 2.52 to Casagrande in the mountains today. Neither Zülle nor Julich did well. Vinokourov
    > impresses!
    >
    > http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/tourdesuisse03/?id=results/st age5
    >
    > You can watch it with some delay on Viasat Sport (Europe). (I need to go to a sports bar!)
    > Tomorrow looks like a good stage too and the ITT is Tuesday.
    >
    > In Volta a Catalunya, Heras is doing fine. Casero is 4th in the general classification and was 5th
    > today. Vicioso did well in today's ITT and Botero did ok (even to his standards). But the man to
    > watch is José Antonio Pecharroman (Paternina-Costa del Almeria). That team isn't in the tour
    > unfortunately!
    >
    > http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/jun03/Catalunya03/?id=results/stage 6
     
  17. In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Heinz
    Getzler) wrote:

    > It's fairly obvious that Ullrich is not up to his form in 1997 after finishing 3rd in the TT
    > today. If Jan was on form he would be leading the Tour de Suisse. In all likelyhood Ullrich will
    > try and contend for some the other jerseys in the TDF.
    >
    Apparently he didn't go all out in the TT to minimize the danger of crashing. He probablywasn't
    looking to win the TDS, but he ended up doing pretty well.
     
  18. Aruno

    Aruno Guest

    [email protected] (Heinz Getzler) wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > It's fairly obvious that Ullrich is not up to his form in 1997 after finishing 3rd in the TT
    > today. If Jan was on form he would be leading the Tour de Suisse. In all likelyhood Ullrich will
    > try and contend for some the other jerseys in the TDF.

    For the white one he is too old the red dotted one will be too hard to get for him so he is going
    for the green one, Fabrizio Guidi will lead him into the sprints;)
     
  19. Dashi Toshii

    Dashi Toshii Guest

    "Aruno" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > [email protected] (Heinz Getzler) wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > It's fairly obvious that Ullrich is not up to his form in 1997 after finishing 3rd in the TT
    > > today. If Jan was on form he would be leading the Tour de Suisse. In all likelyhood Ullrich will
    > > try and contend for some the other jerseys in the TDF.
    >
    > For the white one he is too old the red dotted one will be too hard to get for him so he is going
    > for the green one, Fabrizio Guidi will lead him into the
    sprints;)

    He will probably be wearing the yellow one for at least part of the TdF.

    Dashii
     
  20. David Ryan

    David Ryan Guest

    Dashi Toshii wrote:
    >
    > "Aruno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > [email protected] (Heinz Getzler) wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > It's fairly obvious that Ullrich is not up to his form in 1997 after finishing 3rd in the TT
    > > > today. If Jan was on form he would be leading the Tour de Suisse. In all likelyhood Ullrich
    > > > will try and contend for some the other jerseys in the TDF.
    > >
    > > For the white one he is too old the red dotted one will be too hard to get for him so he is
    > > going for the green one, Fabrizio Guidi will lead him into the
    > sprints;)
    >
    > He will probably be wearing the yellow one for at least part of the TdF.
    >
    > Dashii

    What would be a scenario for this probability?
     
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