Ulrich, apparent doper

[Bro Deal]

Ullrich was always brushing off the crumbs and it was always amazing how he got himself ready so quickly for the Tour... one answer: doping not training…

On a related note it seems that when riders get injured they manage to come back into top form extremently quickly. It is something I have noticed over the last decade or so.

It reminds me of the American (I think) gymnist who had torn his rotator cuff not long before the Olympics and there he was doing Iron Crosses and other sick stuff. That might have just been a small clue that he was doping--well, that along with the fact that he and the other gymnists are about five feet tall and have the upper bodies of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

 

[Bro Deal]

Agreed. GTs are becoming more or less bs. The Tour, with the exception of last year, has been a bore.

The Tour always has an uninteresting course compared to the Giro and the Vuelta, especially compared to the Giro of the last few years. I am really digging the Giro and it retro climbs. I hope they continue the trend.

 

[fbircher]

According to a cn article today ( http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may22news2 ), former Telekom cyclist Bert Dietz has confirmed the allegations of Jef d'Hondt that Telekom had a team-orchestrated doping program in place from 1995 that included EPO. No wonder Mr. 60% did so well in the '96 TdF. I don't think there can be any doubt now that JU was using at least as far back as that timeframe, which should come as no surprise given his superhuman 475W performance in '97.

 

[Flyer]

88tee

ummm, Lim you seem off your game.
Even by your usual standards of twisted logic you make no sense.

You assert Jan's times remained the same 93-2006, well maybe its because he doped the whole time, right, and had no where to go up to. What about that is hard to see?

And besides, you'll have to dig up a time trial or hillclimb from 1992 and compare to 2001-2006 and compare to prove the fact that his times remained the same--assuning you mean 92 was pre-EPO. But who is to say the East Germans werent blood doping then too, right?

And most endurance athletes actually improve from age 20 to age 30.
Dont you find it odd that his performance maxed out in 1997?
You can go back and check the VAMs in 97 TdF and 98. I believe although I could be wrong that his fastest time up the Alpe was 98.

At any rate irrelevant, we can use recorded times on climbs and they can vary a lot, but the man got no better after age 23-24, which is unusual for an endurance athlete. Dont you find that odd? I am not sure whether that supports a clean or doped athlete, be my guest.

 

[Flyer]

etete

In case you missed it:

Cycling News Flash, April 4, 2007
Edited by Gregor Brown

Puerto blood confirmed to be Ullrich's
By Hedwig Kröner

German sports news agency sid revealed on Tuesday afternoon that the blood bags seized in Operación Puerto and marked "Jan," "number 1" or "Hijo Rudicio" ('son of Rudy') have been confirmed to contain the blood of the now-retired German cycling star, Jan Ullrich. Public prosecutor Fred Apostel told sports news agency sid that the comparison with a DNA sample taken from Ullrich's saliva showed "without a doubt" that the blood seized by the Guardia Civil last year indeed belonged to the only German to have ever won the Tour de France.

"We found nine blood bags that we could compare with the DNA probes," Apostel told n-tv. For the prosecutor, this proves that Jan Ullrich had indeed been in contact with the Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes. "This shows that blood bags were stored there [in Fuentes' offices]," he added.

The Ullrich camp has meanwhile reacted and posted a statement on the personal website of the former cyclist, janullrich.de. Attorney Johann Schwenn declared that "The defence will take a close look at the opinion of the Federal Criminal Police Office. After the irregularities in the Spanish procedure it is well possible that this finding is the consequence of manipulation. In any case, there is no reason to change anything in the line of defence of Jan Ullrich."

The public prosecutor in Bonn, Germany is investigating fraud charges against Ullrich, as well as his advisor Rudy Pevenage.

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible
explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

yysystr

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

reeeww

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

reew

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

errr

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

eerr

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

eew

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

eerre

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

ewew

 

[Flyer]

In case you missed it:

Cycling News Flash, April 4, 2007
Edited by Gregor Brown

Puerto blood confirmed to be Ullrich's
By Hedwig Kröner

German sports news agency sid revealed on Tuesday afternoon that the blood bags seized in Operación Puerto and marked "Jan," "number 1" or "Hijo Rudicio" ('son of Rudy') have been confirmed to contain the blood of the now-retired German cycling star, Jan Ullrich. Public prosecutor Fred Apostel told sports news agency sid that the comparison with a DNA sample taken from Ullrich's saliva showed "without a doubt" that the blood seized by the Guardia Civil last year indeed belonged to the only German to have ever won the Tour de France.

"We found nine blood bags that we could compare with the DNA probes," Apostel told n-tv. For the prosecutor, this proves that Jan Ullrich had indeed been in contact with the Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes. "This shows that blood bags were stored there [in Fuentes' offices]," he added.

The Ullrich camp has meanwhile reacted and posted a statement on the personal website of the former cyclist, janullrich.de. Attorney Johann Schwenn declared that "The defence will take a close look at the opinion of the Federal Criminal Police Office. After the irregularities in the Spanish procedure it is well possible that this finding is the consequence of manipulation. In any case, there is no reason to change anything in the line of defence of Jan Ullrich."

The public prosecutor in Bonn, Germany is investigating fraud charges against Ullrich, as well as his advisor Rudy Pevenage.

eeer

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

3eeee

 

[Flyer]

In case you missed it:

Cycling News Flash, April 4, 2007
Edited by Gregor Brown

Puerto blood confirmed to be Ullrich's
By Hedwig Kröner

German sports news agency sid revealed on Tuesday afternoon that the blood bags seized in Operación Puerto and marked "Jan," "number 1" or "Hijo Rudicio" ('son of Rudy') have been confirmed to contain the blood of the now-retired German cycling star, Jan Ullrich. Public prosecutor Fred Apostel told sports news agency sid that the comparison with a DNA sample taken from Ullrich's saliva showed "without a doubt" that the blood seized by the Guardia Civil last year indeed belonged to the only German to have ever won the Tour de France.

"We found nine blood bags that we could compare with the DNA probes," Apostel told n-tv. For the prosecutor, this proves that Jan Ullrich had indeed been in contact with the Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes. "This shows that blood bags were stored there [in Fuentes' offices]," he added.

The Ullrich camp has meanwhile reacted and posted a statement on the personal website of the former cyclist, janullrich.de. Attorney Johann Schwenn declared that "The defence will take a close look at the opinion of the Federal Criminal Police Office. After the irregularities in the Spanish procedure it is well possible that this finding is the consequence of manipulation. In any case, there is no reason to change anything in the line of defence of Jan Ullrich."

The public prosecutor in Bonn, Germany is investigating fraud charges against Ullrich, as well as his advisor Rudy Pevenage.

rre

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

rre

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

wweertt

 

[Flyer]

How does this make you feel?

Does it destroy your faith in clean sport?

Do you think that Ulrich and a handful of other dopers are the exception, not the rule?

If you liked Ulrich, does this now make you not like him?

Do you think it's possible that there is a conspiracy in place? If so, let's hear it.

Do you think Ulrich has been doping since he was little pup or just later in his career or maybe just this one transgression?

Maybe he didn't dope at all? How many think donating blood is a plausible explanation for Ulrich's dna match?

Did he quit the sport because he knew the end was near?

rrtt