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[email protected] (harryo) wrote in message
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> [email protected] (cbb) wrote in message
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> > I have to disagree here. On an open road in a rural or similar area it is true but in an urban
> > are the ability to see over cars (or atleast through thier windows) comes in very useful. I can
> > see the car that wants to turn left in front of me and make sure he sees me on my Strada but
> > when I rode the Baron I had to be much more careful. It also helps to see over cars parked on
> > the street an over shrubs planted too close to the intersection corner. True there are still
> > sometimes when vehicles or obstacles are too tall to see over on the Strada but they are much
> > less common than those I can't see over on the Baron.
>
> I was mainly speaking about open roads. Barry said roads in his post and being a country boy, I
> differentiate between roads and streets. I was also speaking from the perspective of motorists
> seeing the cyclist, not the viewpoint of the cyclist, because again, that is what Barry posted.
>
> A higher seating position definitely allows better visibility for the cyclist. However, highracers
> with laid back, hard shell seats still have the problem of the head and neck angle making it more
> difficult to turn the head and look behind and to look directly down, immediately in front of the
> bike. They are no better than a lowracer in this respect. If a cyclist considers maximum viewing
> ease to be important, then a bike with a more upright seat would be a better choice.
>
> I won't argue that a lowracer, with an extreme laid back seating position is an ideal bike for
> commuting on city streets but I don't think a highrscer with the same seat angle is either. If one
> wants a bike mainly for commuting, then something other than a lowracer would be a better choice.
> If one wants a lowracer for fast riding on open roads, with occasional riding on city streets, am
> stating that I and other lowracer owners do so with minimal problems.
>
> Harry
I agree with you here. Just wanted to point some limitations of lowracers. I loved riding my Baron
on mostly rural roads. I just wasn't comfortable riding it in high traffic or many intersection
areas. A high racer works better in the city because you can see better and with a good mirror (or
two) I don't many blind spots but I agree that a low BB bike with more upright seat is better suited
to urban riding. Lowracers can work in urban riding but you must be much more careful and in my
experience you end up being slower because of the extra caution needed. I probably should have
gotten a LWB or atleast a more upright lower BB SWB for my commute but I just couldn't give up that
much comfort and performance from my Baron.
Craig
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> [email protected] (cbb) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > I have to disagree here. On an open road in a rural or similar area it is true but in an urban
> > are the ability to see over cars (or atleast through thier windows) comes in very useful. I can
> > see the car that wants to turn left in front of me and make sure he sees me on my Strada but
> > when I rode the Baron I had to be much more careful. It also helps to see over cars parked on
> > the street an over shrubs planted too close to the intersection corner. True there are still
> > sometimes when vehicles or obstacles are too tall to see over on the Strada but they are much
> > less common than those I can't see over on the Baron.
>
> I was mainly speaking about open roads. Barry said roads in his post and being a country boy, I
> differentiate between roads and streets. I was also speaking from the perspective of motorists
> seeing the cyclist, not the viewpoint of the cyclist, because again, that is what Barry posted.
>
> A higher seating position definitely allows better visibility for the cyclist. However, highracers
> with laid back, hard shell seats still have the problem of the head and neck angle making it more
> difficult to turn the head and look behind and to look directly down, immediately in front of the
> bike. They are no better than a lowracer in this respect. If a cyclist considers maximum viewing
> ease to be important, then a bike with a more upright seat would be a better choice.
>
> I won't argue that a lowracer, with an extreme laid back seating position is an ideal bike for
> commuting on city streets but I don't think a highrscer with the same seat angle is either. If one
> wants a bike mainly for commuting, then something other than a lowracer would be a better choice.
> If one wants a lowracer for fast riding on open roads, with occasional riding on city streets, am
> stating that I and other lowracer owners do so with minimal problems.
>
> Harry
I agree with you here. Just wanted to point some limitations of lowracers. I loved riding my Baron
on mostly rural roads. I just wasn't comfortable riding it in high traffic or many intersection
areas. A high racer works better in the city because you can see better and with a good mirror (or
two) I don't many blind spots but I agree that a low BB bike with more upright seat is better suited
to urban riding. Lowracers can work in urban riding but you must be much more careful and in my
experience you end up being slower because of the extra caution needed. I probably should have
gotten a LWB or atleast a more upright lower BB SWB for my commute but I just couldn't give up that
much comfort and performance from my Baron.
Craig