Upgrade from Ultegra 9-sp triple to Dura-Ace 10-sp triple..



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Hrothgar

Guest
Hi,

I have an Ultegra 9-sp triple bike setup and I am thinking of upgrading
to a 10-sp Dura-Ace. What components do I need to replace? shifters?
fd? rd? cassette? and is it worth upgrading to Dura-Ace?

Thanks,
Hrothgar
 
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Bill Sornson

Guest
Hrothgar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have an Ultegra 9-sp triple bike setup and I am thinking of
> upgrading to a 10-sp Dura-Ace. What components do I need to replace?
> shifters? fd? rd? cassette? and is it worth upgrading to Dura-Ace?


Rear shifter and cassette, and probably chain (?).

No.

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H

Hrothgar

Guest
thanks... also, my chainring's 48/38/24. I like the 38 but I would
like to upgrade my big to 50. The 'old' Ultegra has a max of 10-th
diff between big and middle. Does this limitation still apply to the
new ultegra 10-sp? Can I upgrade my big chainring to 50 without any
probs?

thanks,
Hrothgar
 
D

dennis

Guest
9 speed chain is wider than 10-speed chain. and 10-speed cog spacing is
narrower. so chain definitely needs changing, no?
 
B

Bill Sornson

Guest
Hrothgar wrote:
> thanks... also, my chainring's 48/38/24. I like the 38 but I would
> like to upgrade my big to 50. The 'old' Ultegra has a max of 10-th
> diff between big and middle. Does this limitation still apply to the
> new ultegra 10-sp? Can I upgrade my big chainring to 50 without any
> probs?


Don't take MY word for it, but I don't think it will be a problem. (For
example, my Ultegra triple FD is currently shifting my DA crankset --
30/39/53 just fine.)

Wait for some other replies, but my guess is you're good to go.

Bill S.
 
Q

Qui si parla Campagnolo

Guest
Hrothgar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have an Ultegra 9-sp triple bike setup and I am thinking of upgrading
> to a 10-sp Dura-Ace. What components do I need to replace? shifters?
> fd? rd? cassette? and is it worth upgrading to Dura-Ace?
>
> Thanks,
> Hrothgar


No left DA triple shifters(7800 version) available yet but when they
are-lever set, 10s cogset and chain.

The resr, front and rear der, cranks, are compatible with 10s, but what
question are you trying to answer with regards to the ultegra 9s stuff,
what problem are you trying to solve?
 
Q

Qui si parla Campagnolo

Guest
Hrothgar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have an Ultegra 9-sp triple bike setup and I am thinking of upgrading
> to a 10-sp Dura-Ace. What components do I need to replace? shifters?
> fd? rd? cassette? and is it worth upgrading to Dura-Ace?
>
> Thanks,
> Hrothgar


No left DA triple shifters(7800 version) available yet but when they
are-lever set, 10s cogset and chain.

The resr, front and rear der, cranks, are compatible with 10s, but what
question are you trying to answer with regards to the ultegra 9s stuff,
what problem are you trying to solve?
 
L

Lou Holtman

Guest
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
>
> Hrothgar wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have an Ultegra 9-sp triple bike setup and I am thinking of upgrading
> > to a 10-sp Dura-Ace. What components do I need to replace? shifters?
> > fd? rd? cassette? and is it worth upgrading to Dura-Ace?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Hrothgar

>
> No left DA triple shifters(7800 version) available yet but when they
> are-lever set, 10s cogset and chain.
>
> The resr, front and rear der, cranks, are compatible with 10s, but what
> question are you trying to answer with regards to the ultegra 9s stuff,
> what problem are you trying to solve?
>


Spend some money?

Lou
 
L

Lou Holtman

Guest
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
>
> Hrothgar wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have an Ultegra 9-sp triple bike setup and I am thinking of upgrading
> > to a 10-sp Dura-Ace. What components do I need to replace? shifters?
> > fd? rd? cassette? and is it worth upgrading to Dura-Ace?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Hrothgar

>
> No left DA triple shifters(7800 version) available yet but when they
> are-lever set, 10s cogset and chain.
>
> The resr, front and rear der, cranks, are compatible with 10s, but what
> question are you trying to answer with regards to the ultegra 9s stuff,
> what problem are you trying to solve?
>


Spend some money?

Lou
 
J

Jasper Janssen

Guest
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:55:19 +0200, "Lou Holtman" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> The resr, front and rear der, cranks, are compatible with 10s, but what
>> question are you trying to answer with regards to the ultegra 9s stuff,
>> what problem are you trying to solve?

>
>Spend some money?


Look cool?


Jasper
 
J

Jasper Janssen

Guest
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:55:19 +0200, "Lou Holtman" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> The resr, front and rear der, cranks, are compatible with 10s, but what
>> question are you trying to answer with regards to the ultegra 9s stuff,
>> what problem are you trying to solve?

>
>Spend some money?


Look cool?


Jasper
 
H

Hrothgar

Guest
to answer the question(s):

1. Spend some money? YES
2. Look cool? YES

kidding aside, i just wanted to have an extra cog (16) for close
gearing/shifting. I have 9sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/17/19/21/24/27) and I
wanted to upgrade to 10sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/16/17/19/21/24/27). I
thought I need to replace a lot (shifters, fd, rd). Looking at some
forums and your replies, it looks like I only need to replace the
following:
1. Cassette (can i just squeeze a 16cog into my existing cassette?)
2. Chain
3. Rear shifter

The other question is my chainrings 48/38/24. If I want to upgrade my
big ch to 50, will this still work fine with my current setup (ultegra
triple)?

thanks a bunch,
 
H

Hrothgar

Guest
to answer the question(s):

1. Spend some money? YES
2. Look cool? YES

kidding aside, i just wanted to have an extra cog (16) for close
gearing/shifting. I have 9sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/17/19/21/24/27) and I
wanted to upgrade to 10sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/16/17/19/21/24/27). I
thought I need to replace a lot (shifters, fd, rd). Looking at some
forums and your replies, it looks like I only need to replace the
following:
1. Cassette (can i just squeeze a 16cog into my existing cassette?)
2. Chain
3. Rear shifter

The other question is my chainrings 48/38/24. If I want to upgrade my
big ch to 50, will this still work fine with my current setup (ultegra
triple)?

thanks a bunch,
 
H

Hrothgar

Guest
to answer the question(s):

1. Spend some money? YES
2. Look cool? YES

kidding aside, i just wanted to have an extra cog (16) for close
gearing/shifting. I have 9sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/17/19/21/24/27) and I
wanted to upgrade to 10sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/16/17/19/21/24/27). I
thought I need to replace a lot (shifters, fd, rd). Looking at some
forums and your replies, it looks like I only need to replace the
following:
1. Cassette (can i just squeeze a 16cog into my existing cassette?)
2. Chain
3. Rear shifter

The other question is my chainrings 48/38/24. If I want to upgrade my
big ch to 50, will this still work fine with my current setup (ultegra
triple)?

thanks a bunch,
 
S

Sheldon Brown

Guest
Hrothgar wrote:

> ...i just wanted to have an extra cog (16) for close
> gearing/shifting. I have 9sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/17/19/21/24/27) and I
> wanted to upgrade to 10sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/16/17/19/21/24/27). I
> thought I need to replace a lot (shifters, fd, rd). Looking at some
> forums and your replies, it looks like I only need to replace the
> following:
> 1. Cassette (can i just squeeze a 16cog into my existing cassette?)


No, you need an actual 10-speed cassette, the spacers are thinner.

> 2. Chain
> 3. Rear shifter


Handlebar tape, don't forget the handlebar tape!

Theoretically you only need to replace the rear shifter, but you may
find it difficult to locate a loose one. Also, there would be a
cosmetic mismatch if you just changed the rear one.

I'm not convinced that the Dura-Ace brifters are significantly better
than the Ultegra units, by the way.

> The other question is my chainrings 48/38/24. If I want to upgrade my
> big ch to 50, will this still work fine with my current setup (ultegra
> triple)?


Yes.

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Sheldon Brown

Guest
Hrothgar wrote:

> ...i just wanted to have an extra cog (16) for close
> gearing/shifting. I have 9sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/17/19/21/24/27) and I
> wanted to upgrade to 10sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/16/17/19/21/24/27). I
> thought I need to replace a lot (shifters, fd, rd). Looking at some
> forums and your replies, it looks like I only need to replace the
> following:
> 1. Cassette (can i just squeeze a 16cog into my existing cassette?)


No, you need an actual 10-speed cassette, the spacers are thinner.

> 2. Chain
> 3. Rear shifter


Handlebar tape, don't forget the handlebar tape!

Theoretically you only need to replace the rear shifter, but you may
find it difficult to locate a loose one. Also, there would be a
cosmetic mismatch if you just changed the rear one.

I'm not convinced that the Dura-Ace brifters are significantly better
than the Ultegra units, by the way.

> The other question is my chainrings 48/38/24. If I want to upgrade my
> big ch to 50, will this still work fine with my current setup (ultegra
> triple)?


Yes.

Sheldon "Upgrades" Brown
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| Search the Quality Bicycle Products Catalog |
| and order on line: |
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Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com
 
S

Sheldon Brown

Guest
Hrothgar wrote:

> ...i just wanted to have an extra cog (16) for close
> gearing/shifting. I have 9sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/17/19/21/24/27) and I
> wanted to upgrade to 10sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/16/17/19/21/24/27). I
> thought I need to replace a lot (shifters, fd, rd). Looking at some
> forums and your replies, it looks like I only need to replace the
> following:
> 1. Cassette (can i just squeeze a 16cog into my existing cassette?)


No, you need an actual 10-speed cassette, the spacers are thinner.

> 2. Chain
> 3. Rear shifter


Handlebar tape, don't forget the handlebar tape!

Theoretically you only need to replace the rear shifter, but you may
find it difficult to locate a loose one. Also, there would be a
cosmetic mismatch if you just changed the rear one.

I'm not convinced that the Dura-Ace brifters are significantly better
than the Ultegra units, by the way.

> The other question is my chainrings 48/38/24. If I want to upgrade my
> big ch to 50, will this still work fine with my current setup (ultegra
> triple)?


Yes.

Sheldon "Upgrades" Brown
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| Search the Quality Bicycle Products Catalog |
| and order on line: |
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+-------------------------------------------------+
Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com
 
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bfd

Guest
Sheldon states:

<I'm not convinced that the Dura-Ace brifters are significantly better
than the Ultegra units, by the way.>

What you get with DA 10 shifters over Ultegra are 3 things:

1. Warranty - DA products get 3 years; Ultegra and lower are only 2
years. This can be important as unlike Campy ergos, STI levers are NOT
REBUILDABLE. Nevertheless, Shimano has an excellent record of warranty
replacment with DA/Ultegra 9, so you shouldn't see a reduction in
service.

2. weight - DA 10 STIs list weight for the pair is 419g; Ultegra 10
STIs list weight is 490g. Is this important?

#. the other factor is subjective - looks. With DA 10 you know you got
that "Lance factor" and the envy of everyone on your block! It doesn't
matter that you got a triple, the key here is you got DA 10, so you
know you look good!!!!
 
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Qui si parla Campagnolo

Guest
Hrothgar wrote:
> to answer the question(s):
>
> 1. Spend some money? YES
> 2. Look cool? YES
>
> kidding aside, i just wanted to have an extra cog (16) for close
> gearing/shifting. I have 9sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/17/19/21/24/27) and I
> wanted to upgrade to 10sp 12-27 (12/13/14/15/16/17/19/21/24/27). I
> thought I need to replace a lot (shifters, fd, rd). Looking at some
> forums and your replies, it looks like I only need to replace the
> following:
> 1. Cassette (can i just squeeze a 16cog into my existing cassette?)
> 2. Chain
> 3. Rear shifter


That is correct but single 10s shifters are scarce right now but may be
more available in the futyrue. need to also look at the shape of 10s
levers, very different than 9s.

>
> The other question is my chainrings 48/38/24. If I want to upgrade my
> big ch to 50, will this still work fine with my current setup (ultegra
> triple)?


yessir-as long as the rings have shift pins and ramps. Altho not
essential, makes shimano shifting much better.
>
> thanks a bunch,
 
Q

Qui si parla Campagnolo

Guest
bfd wrote:
> Sheldon states:
>
> <I'm not convinced that the Dura-Ace brifters are significantly better
> than the Ultegra units, by the way.>
>
> What you get with DA 10 shifters over Ultegra are 3 things:
>
> 1. Warranty - DA products get 3 years; Ultegra and lower are only 2
> years. This can be important as unlike Campy ergos, STI levers are NOT
> REBUILDABLE. Nevertheless, Shimano has an excellent record of warranty
> replacment with DA/Ultegra 9, so you shouldn't see a reduction in
> service.
>
> 2. weight - DA 10 STIs list weight for the pair is 419g; Ultegra 10
> STIs list weight is 490g. Is this important?
>
> #. the other factor is subjective - looks. With DA 10 you know you got
> that "Lance factor" and the envy of everyone on your block! It doesn't
> matter that you got a triple, the key here is you got DA 10, so you
> know you look good!!!!


Does the customer also get the 6 figure dollars Lance's gets when he
uses shimano??