USADA charge Armstrong with doping
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I don't agree, I think this rant makes a good case for Lance and co to go down
http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/07/rest-days-court-cases-and-arrests/
The problem is how deep one digs oneself into a corner after the fact. Some are quick to fess up when they know the gig is up, others somehow manage to go deeper and deeper hoping continued denial will play in their favor, and I believe it is possible to go so deep one never emerges. Even for folks who are inclined to give the confessed a nod for a heartfelt contrition it's gonna be hard to feel anything for Lance if the truth emerges the way it's looking like it's gonna. And whether or not people choose to forgive these guys, and the good of the sport notwithstanding, for these guys themselves it's a moment where they conciously choose to try and redeem even a fraction of whatever character they once had, or throw their souls away for good. It's some heavy ****.
The problem[COLOR= rgb(255, 0, 0)] is [/COLOR]how deep one digs oneself into a corner after the fact. Some are quick to fess up when they know the gig is up, others somehow manage to go deeper and deeper hoping continued denial will play in their favor, and I believe it is possible to go so deep one never emerges.
That depends on what your definition of 'is' is...
I disagree.
If you're a libtard, duplicitous, lying socialist asshole you can dig a ditch to China, get impeached and head off to monitor elections in Palestine the next week followed by a herd of muffintop groupies. If, by some chance you're just a regular old asshole that pisses off the whiney libtards...well, can you spell "Rocket"?
Even for folks who are inclined to give the confessed a nod for a heartfelt contrition it's gonna be hard to feel anything for Lance if the truth emerges the way it's looking like it's gonna.
Again, I disagree. There's a huge groundswell to get Pete Rose into the HOF and he lied for decades. Jimmy Johnson is sanctioned multiple times in multiple seasons for 'cheating'. No self-respecting fan would give a damn.
If it turns out Lancer went to Lourdes and drank 150 Proof EPO from the fountain and screwed a bunch of blonde bimbos (OK...so that part is already true), I will think no less of His Royal Assholeness, The Prince of Plano.
And whether or not people choose to forgive these guys, and the good of the sport notwithstanding, for these guys themselves it's a moment where they conciously choose to try and redeem even a fraction of whatever character they once had, or throw their souls away for good. It's some heavy ****.
Last disagreement (for this reply, at least!).
Sorry. I see it as anything BUT heavy. Like the Slovak said...Tommy Jefferson, one of my idols, owned slaves. And screwed them literally and figuratively. Zeitgeist baby. Same with Lancer Armstrong, the All-American Boy. And Lance...even lose a minute of speed-dialing moist blonde bimbettes over this? He NEVER had that kind of character to sacrifice to begin with.
They doped (and HAVE doped since the inception of athletics). He probably doped. Woop. Tee. Doo.
Again. If you pull his trophies you damned well better pull Jacques'. And Eddies'. And EVERY other 'suspected doper', no matter how slim the 'evidence' and no matter who the j'accuse! types are. If you are going after the Golden Fleece, you better re-write the record book since the days the Tour organizers PROVIDED drugs to the riders.
Better still...adopt the Soviet airbrush technique and rid the photographs of their images! Let their names never be spoken again and their memories eliminated from the histories! So it is written, so shall it be!
This going back in time BS has gotten old.
For the "good of the sport"?! Great Caesar's ghost! You've got Valv-Piti riding today! Toss Lance and clear the next two podium steps while we're at it? Jan's out. Ivan's out! Hell, Ivan's fracking SISTER (you know...the major hot babe one, Elisa?!) is out! Hell's Bells! Her boyfriend is out too, while we're at it!
Vino's out. Kash is out. Alberto is out. The Brits are out cuz their team 'doctor' work with da Chicken and a couple other doperz types. Speaking of da Chicken, da Cobra is also out.
OK...OK! We'll put Simeoni on the podium and give him a pacifier to suck on. There's someone we can all look up to as an epic champion and he's "good for the sport".
Yeah, she's a doper and aided doping, but gentlemen...I present Exibit 'A'!
Her hair is doped. Her lips are doped. Her melons are doped (they're real if you can touch them!!). Her nose is 'suspected' of being doped!
We freely admit, her performance HAS been enhanced!
Now...look the jury members straight in the eye and tell them doping is bad for the sport! Tell them you wouldn't do a little dope with her! Tell the jury you WOULD call your doctor if you had an erection lasting more than four hours!
Your honor, the defense rests.
That depends on what your definition of 'is' is...
I disagree.
If you're a libtard, duplicitous, lying socialist asshole you can dig a ditch to China, get impeached and head off to monitor elections in Palestine the next week followed by a herd of muffintop groupies. If, by some chance you're just a regular old asshole that pisses off the whiney libtards...well, can you spell "Rocket"?
Even for folks who are inclined to give the confessed a nod for a heartfelt contrition it's gonna be hard to feel anything for Lance if the truth emerges the way it's looking like it's gonna.
Again, I disagree. There's a huge groundswell to get Pete Rose into the HOF and he lied for decades. Jimmy Johnson is sanctioned multiple times in multiple seasons for 'cheating'. No self-respecting fan would give a damn.
If it turns out Lancer went to Lourdes and drank 150 Proof EPO from the fountain and screwed a bunch of blonde bimbos (OK...so that part is already true), I will think no less of His Royal Assholeness, The Prince of Plano.
And whether or not people choose to forgive these guys, and the good of the sport notwithstanding, for these guys themselves it's a moment where they conciously choose to try and redeem even a fraction of whatever character they once had, or throw their souls away for good. It's some heavy ****.
Last disagreement (for this reply, at least!).
Sorry. I see it as anything BUT heavy. Like the Slovak said...Tommy Jefferson, one of my idols, owned slaves. And screwed them literally and figuratively. Zeitgeist baby. Same with Lancer Armstrong, the All-American Boy. And Lance...even lose a minute of speed-dialing moist blonde bimbettes over this? He NEVER had that kind of character to sacrifice to begin with.
They doped (and HAVE doped since the inception of athletics). He probably doped. Woop. Tee. Doo.
Again. If you pull his trophies you damned well better pull Jacques'. And Eddies'. And EVERY other 'suspected doper', no matter how slim the 'evidence' and no matter who the j'accuse! types are. If you are going after the Golden Fleece, you better re-write the record book since the days the Tour organizers PROVIDED drugs to the riders.
Better still...adopt the Soviet airbrush technique and rid the photographs of their images! Let their names never be spoken again and their memories eliminated from the histories! So it is written, so shall it be!
This going back in time BS has gotten old.
For the "good of the sport"?! Great Caesar's ghost! You've got Valv-Piti riding today! Toss Lance and clear the next two podium steps while we're at it? Jan's out. Ivan's out! Hell, Ivan's fracking SISTER (you know...the major hot babe one, Elisa?!) is out! Hell's Bells! Her boyfriend is out too, while we're at it!
Vino's out. Kash is out. Alberto is out. The Brits are out cuz their team 'doctor' work with da Chicken and a couple other doperz types. Speaking of da Chicken, da Cobra is also out.
OK...OK! We'll put Simeoni on the podium and give him a pacifier to suck on. There's someone we can all look up to as an epic champion and he's "good for the sport".
Yeah, she's a doper and aided doping, but gentlemen...I present Exibit 'A'!
Her hair is doped. Her lips are doped. Her melons are doped (they're real if you can touch them!!). Her nose is 'suspected' of being doped!
We freely admit, her performance HAS been enhanced!
Now...look the jury members straight in the eye and tell them doping is bad for the sport! Tell them you wouldn't do a little dope with her! Tell the jury you WOULD call your doctor if you had an erection lasting more than four hours!
Your honor, the defense rests.
You're gonna have tell to me who's Martha Stewart?Originally Posted by jhuskey .
Ask Martha Stewart. I beleive they asked her if she was a ***** and she said no. She was charged with lying in a federal hearing. That's the way I remember it.
That name doesn't ring any bells here in the Old World.
I'm not sure what the point of this is??Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB .
Yeah, she's a doper and aided doping, but gentlemen...I present Exibit 'A'!
Her hair is doped. Her lips are doped. Her melons are doped (they're real if you can touch them!!). Her nose is 'suspected' of being doped!
We freely admit, her performance HAS been enhanced!
Now...look the jury members straight in the eye and tell them doping is bad for the sport! Tell them you wouldn't do a little dope with her! Tell the jury you WOULD call your doctor if you had an erection lasting more than four hours!
Your honor, the defense rests.
Quote: http://sports.espn.go.com
Giro d'Italia champion Ivan Basso's sister, Elisa, has been banned for four years by the Italian Olympic Committee for trafficking banned substances. In June, Elisa Basso plea-bargained a one-year sentence in a doping trafficking trial involving cyclist Luca Paolini and Paolini's husband, Eddy Mazzoleni, who also is a cyclist. Mazzoleni received a two-year ban in 2008 after being linked to Carlo Santuccione, an Italian doctor who allegedly provided doping products to athletes. Ivan Basso was suspended for two years after being linked to the Spanish scandal Operation Puerto on the eve of the 2006 Tour de France. He returned and won his second Giro this year. Elisa Basso is not an active athlete, but the ban prevents her from attending all sports facilities and events in Italy.
I thought Marta Stewart was an alias for Mrs Rumsas or such like./img/vbsmilies/smilies/duck.gif
Oh boy.
With the exception of the "good of the sport", my diatribe was really about self assessment. Some people are fine lying till the cows come home, others wouldn't or would rather be discovered just to stop the charade. Got busted shoplifting a Snickers at the local Sev? Are you the guy that says 'ya know I was lifting it', or are you the guy that sez 'gee whiz honest ociffer I was gonna pay for it'? The pimple faced kid at the cash register doesn't give two hoots if you are honest Abe or Goerge Castanza.
George Castanza to Jerry Seinfeld: "Remember Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it."
I could care less about Pete Rose. I don't think any less of Eddy, Francesco, Jan et al. After they were busted they were contrite or at the very least pawned it off as "yeah well so what, we were all doing it", even if it was years after the fact. If anyone wants their titles stripped it's not me. Personally I don't want to see Lance's titles stripped either, but if he cheated it should be known, and here was the jist of my post... for his own well being he should admit it for himself. You see a photo of the guy, he already looks like he's got one foot in the grave. I repeat, this is some heavy ****. Other than that you're probably confusing half my sentiment with someone elses, but at the end of the day there are other fish to fry. Quite literally... I have some shrimp ready for the grill. Exhibit A will be taken into consideration.
I got an Exhibit 'B', but it's too hot for a family oriented cycling site! /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif
...even if it was years after the fact.
Yeah, and I agree.
To me, it's just how things were. And are. And in all likelyhood, will be...human nature and all that.
Folks cheat. Life ain't fair.
So some guy dopes and another guy comes up with a newer test. No big deal. BUT!!! This constantly moving the goal posts **** is just nutz. Lance cheated...er...abided by the rules of the day. Bribes (Say! Which one of you guys requested a shiny new centrifuge?), instant TUE's, retracted charges, everyone else was doing it-doing it...all a part of the zeitgeist.
I have no guilt about jan, Lance or any of the other interchangeable clones of the raging peloton.
I'm all for sending Bjarne back his yellow jersey.
You're probably confusing half my sentiment with someone elses,...
You could be correct there, but it sounded to me like you have already locked the cell door and threw away the key. Again, just my interpretation of your words and I could be as wet as Elisa's T-shirt!
...even if it was years after the fact.
Yeah, and I agree.
To me, it's just how things were. And are. And in all likelyhood, will be...human nature and all that.
Folks cheat. Life ain't fair.
So some guy dopes and another guy comes up with a newer test. No big deal. BUT!!! This constantly moving the goal posts **** is just nutz. Lance cheated...er...abided by the rules of the day. Bribes (Say! Which one of you guys requested a shiny new centrifuge?), instant TUE's, retracted charges, everyone else was doing it-doing it...all a part of the zeitgeist.
I have no guilt about jan, Lance or any of the other interchangeable clones of the raging peloton.
I'm all for sending Bjarne back his yellow jersey.
You're probably confusing half my sentiment with someone elses,...
You could be correct there, but it sounded to me like you have already locked the cell door and threw away the key. Again, just my interpretation of your words and I could be as wet as Elisa's T-shirt!
I'll give you zeitgeist. These fellas were the ones I watched growing up. I still sometimes ride without a lid because that's the way we did it and nothing seemed outta place back then and old habits die hard. These days I can't go 2 laps without some wippersnapper saying "where's ya helmet?". I know it's not right but I still do it anyway. Does it matter for anyone else? It's my brains gonna be decorating the tarmac. Jefferson gets a free pass because that's the way they did it. But the times they are a changin'.
April 5th I had the good fortune to catapult myself over a loose mutt that ran out from behind a pickup truck that was parked close to the road.
No warning.
The judge from Vulgaria awarded me a 9.5...if only I had stuck the landing! 40 years of cycling bare headed, in a leather hairnet (Cinelli and a thicker Kucharik (sp?) and later still Brancale , Giro, etc. hardshells.
In all of my many falls I never put a scuff mark on my skull or any of those helmets...until April 5th. The helmet split thru to the interior in two spots, but still did its job.
Please BE CAREFUL when riding "like we used to"...in our mis-spent youth!
No warning.
The judge from Vulgaria awarded me a 9.5...if only I had stuck the landing! 40 years of cycling bare headed, in a leather hairnet (Cinelli and a thicker Kucharik (sp?) and later still Brancale , Giro, etc. hardshells.
In all of my many falls I never put a scuff mark on my skull or any of those helmets...until April 5th. The helmet split thru to the interior in two spots, but still did its job.
Please BE CAREFUL when riding "like we used to"...in our mis-spent youth!
Thanks. I gather that's the origin of the phrase do as I say not do as I do. I do make exceptions for racing, the rain, riding through the city to get to the glorious roads on the skirts, and if I know the usual coconuts are running the warp speed paceline in my local park.
Edit: Deleting the colorful anecdote.
Yes sir...a free country and I'm all for freedom of choice. Screw helmet laws!
Your body, your life and YOUR choice...as in, NOT mine to make for you.
Maybe why I'm nonplussed by any alledged or real doping. Their body...their choice. As long as thet 'dope by the rules' and don't get caught.
I can't even begin to count the hundreds of doperz that have been snagged by testing. There's an entire website devoted to listing thier names/cases/circumstances/bans/etc.
By the time Lancer was on his last 4 or 5 Tours he HAD to be one of the most studied samples under any electron scanning microscope on the planet. I guess his armed body guards freaked out the WADA testers.
Me? I just want a drug that makes me feel like I did when I was 21!
Your body, your life and YOUR choice...as in, NOT mine to make for you.
Maybe why I'm nonplussed by any alledged or real doping. Their body...their choice. As long as thet 'dope by the rules' and don't get caught.
I can't even begin to count the hundreds of doperz that have been snagged by testing. There's an entire website devoted to listing thier names/cases/circumstances/bans/etc.
By the time Lancer was on his last 4 or 5 Tours he HAD to be one of the most studied samples under any electron scanning microscope on the planet. I guess his armed body guards freaked out the WADA testers.
Me? I just want a drug that makes me feel like I did when I was 21!
