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On 16 Jun 2006 00:02:31 -0700, "41" <[email protected]> wrote:
> As to the production bicycles, as I said before, the PX10 was
>not the best of them- that would arguably have been the Motobecane or
>Gitane. But Thevenet won the Tour in 1975 (and again in 1977) on a
>Peugeot (not a PX10), and when that happened even the cycling mags
>admitted that the bicycle was as fine as anything available anywhere.
But Thevenet's bike _looked_ like a PX10, so it was notoriety by
association.
<snip>
> but I would have rather had a Motobecane Grand Record, which
>had a more useful design, with nice long chainstays.
You still can, they come up on Ebay at very reasonable prices because
the unwashed masses don't realize what the early 70's models are.
> I'd have rather
>had a Raleigh International than a Professional,
Both fetch more serious prices than the PX10 these days but probably
both better bikes.
>but I'd probably still rather have
>the Grand Record than the International.
A fellow non-conformist! My congratulations.
>Then there was also Gitane,
>ridden by Anquetil, Van Impe, and others,
Bad head badge and decals though - always looked cheap.
>as well as other famous makes
>like Mercier, ridden by Poulidor, or Helyett, ridden by Anquetil for
>many years, and still others.
Few examples of the better ones around these days. There were a lot of
nice Merciers - not sure where they all went.
>I think you are forgetting that the Simplex Prestige was not the best
>derailleur from Simplex, that Simplex was not the only French
>derailleur maker,
I think the Super LJ was the best of the French. There was the Huret
Jubilee but it's a rather sloppy shifter. Between the Super LJ and the
Campy NR I'd have to lean to the LJ but it's a close call.
>and the same for Normandy with the hubs. I never
>examined the expensive Normandy hubs, so I can't confirm or refute your
>claim, but I do know that more expensive hubs were available from
>Pelissier and Maxicar, and these command quite a premium today.
The Normandy Luxe is a serious hub. Precision cones, comparable to
Campy. There was also the Maillard 700 line, another fine hub.
> As to the production bicycles, as I said before, the PX10 was
>not the best of them- that would arguably have been the Motobecane or
>Gitane. But Thevenet won the Tour in 1975 (and again in 1977) on a
>Peugeot (not a PX10), and when that happened even the cycling mags
>admitted that the bicycle was as fine as anything available anywhere.
But Thevenet's bike _looked_ like a PX10, so it was notoriety by
association.
<snip>
> but I would have rather had a Motobecane Grand Record, which
>had a more useful design, with nice long chainstays.
You still can, they come up on Ebay at very reasonable prices because
the unwashed masses don't realize what the early 70's models are.
> I'd have rather
>had a Raleigh International than a Professional,
Both fetch more serious prices than the PX10 these days but probably
both better bikes.
>but I'd probably still rather have
>the Grand Record than the International.
A fellow non-conformist! My congratulations.
>Then there was also Gitane,
>ridden by Anquetil, Van Impe, and others,
Bad head badge and decals though - always looked cheap.
>as well as other famous makes
>like Mercier, ridden by Poulidor, or Helyett, ridden by Anquetil for
>many years, and still others.
Few examples of the better ones around these days. There were a lot of
nice Merciers - not sure where they all went.
>I think you are forgetting that the Simplex Prestige was not the best
>derailleur from Simplex, that Simplex was not the only French
>derailleur maker,
I think the Super LJ was the best of the French. There was the Huret
Jubilee but it's a rather sloppy shifter. Between the Super LJ and the
Campy NR I'd have to lean to the LJ but it's a close call.
>and the same for Normandy with the hubs. I never
>examined the expensive Normandy hubs, so I can't confirm or refute your
>claim, but I do know that more expensive hubs were available from
>Pelissier and Maxicar, and these command quite a premium today.
The Normandy Luxe is a serious hub. Precision cones, comparable to
Campy. There was also the Maillard 700 line, another fine hub.