vande velke + danielson work permit problems

Discussion in 'Road Cycling' started by Otto, Mar 15, 2004.

  1. Otto

    Otto Guest

    http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/5710.0.html

    seems the speculation on danielson's not racing was true: he
    had work permit problems, as has christian vande velde.

    to be honest i was slightly surprised that fassa and liberty
    didn't look into this/sort it out at the end of 2003.

    it makes me wonder if leipheimer is registered in the
    netherlands or spain. speaking from personal experience,
    it's relatively easy to get an annual residence permit in NL
    (as a US citizen, and with a lawyer, albeit time consuming)
    as long as you make more than 600+ euros a month.
     
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  2. Dan Connelly

    Dan Connelly Guest

    otto wrote:

    > http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/5710.0.html
    >
    > seems the speculation on danielson's not racing was true:
    > he had work permit problems, as has christian vande velde.
    >
    > to be honest i was slightly surprised that fassa and
    > liberty didn't look into this/sort it out at the end
    > of 2003.
    >
    > it makes me wonder if leipheimer is registered in the
    > netherlands or spain. speaking from personal
    > experience, it's relatively easy to get an annual
    > residence permit in NL (as a US citizen, and with a
    > lawyer, albeit time consuming) as long as you make more
    > than 600+ euros a month.

    Since he's working for Rabobank, if the team is registered
    in NL, the article would imply he needs to be permitted
    from there.

    Thanks for the link, BTW. So it seems Danielson's absence
    isn't anything long term. At least he wasn't declared an
    enemy combattant.

    Dan
     
  3. Steve Leuty

    Steve Leuty Guest

    yet

    Dan Connelly wrote:

    > otto wrote:
    >
    >> http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/5710.0.html
    >>
    >> seems the speculation on danielson's not racing was
    >> true: he had work permit problems, as has christian
    >> vande velde.
    >>
    >> to be honest i was slightly surprised that fassa and
    >> liberty didn't look into this/sort it out at the end
    >> of 2003.
    >>
    >> it makes me wonder if leipheimer is registered in the
    >> netherlands or spain. speaking from personal
    >> experience, it's relatively easy to get an annual
    >> residence permit in NL (as a US citizen, and with a
    >> lawyer, albeit time consuming) as long as you make more
    >> than 600+ euros a month.
    >
    >
    > Since he's working for Rabobank, if the team is registered
    > in NL, the article would imply he needs to be permitted
    > from there.
    >
    > Thanks for the link, BTW. So it seems Danielson's absence
    > isn't anything long term. At least he wasn't declared an
    > enemy combattant.
    >
    > Dan

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  4. Otto

    Otto Guest

    > Dan Connelly wrote:

    > > Since he's working for Rabobank, if the team is
    > > registered in NL, the article would imply he needs to be
    > > permitted from there.

    > > Dan

    While that's the implication, the fact is that if you're out
    of the netherlands for more than 6 months, you're residence
    permit is voided. I would venture the guess that
    Leipheimer's visits to NL are for racing and the occasional
    team gathering.

    Is it a case of naivety on Vande Velde's part? Apparently
    Leipheimer (unless he's one of the 26,000 getting deported
    by Blakende) AND Hamilton apparently have taken care of the
    situation. Maybe the teams took care of it for them?

    Whatever the case, that's the last thing a professional
    athlete would want to deal with in the midst of the season.
     
  5. Bryanb

    Bryanb Guest

    I think you may have touched on a point to watch in the
    future. With Spain's newly elected socialist, anti-Iraq-war
    president, there could be shift to a more anti-American
    attitude throughout the country.

    Where will the Gerona cycling crowd move to next? Back to
    Nice? Time will tell.

    "otto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Is it a case of naivety on Vande Velde's part? Apparently
    > Leipheimer (unless he's one of the 26,000 getting deported
    > by Blakende) AND Hamilton apparently have taken care of
    > the situation. Maybe the teams took care of it for them?
    >
    > Whatever the case, that's the last thing a
    > professional athlete would want to deal with in the
    > midst of the season.
     
  6. BryanB wrote:

    > I think you may have touched on a point to watch in the
    > future. With Spain's newly elected socialist, anti-Iraq-
    > war president, there could be shift to a more anti-
    > American attitude throughout the country.
    >
    > Where will the Gerona cycling crowd move to next? Back to
    > Nice? Time will tell.

    Will the new government increase funding for Spanish doping
    control programs?
     
  7. Otto

    Otto Guest

    "BryanB" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]_s54>...
    > I think you may have touched on a point to watch in the
    > future. With Spain's newly elected socialist, anti-Iraq-
    > war president, there could be shift to a more anti-
    > American attitude throughout the country.
    >
    > Where will the Gerona cycling crowd move to next? Back to
    > Nice? Time will tell.
    >

    Have you ever been to spain, or europe for that matter?
    spain's population has been anti-american (government) ever
    since eisenhower visited franco, if not before.

    and it's not anti-americanism that's put vande velde&
    danielson in this situation, it's the fact that liberty and
    fassa didn't even ask about their legal status. as i
    mention, maybe the two guys were slightly naive, but the
    team organizations also share some responsibility.
     
  8. I remember seeing the Nimitz a couple of times in Mallorca,
    so they can't be too anti-American.

    James

    "otto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "BryanB" <[email protected]> wrote
    > in message
    news:<[email protected]_s54>...
    > > I think you may have touched on a point to watch in the
    > > future. With Spain's newly elected socialist, anti-Iraq-
    > > war president, there could be shift to a more anti-
    > > American attitude throughout the country.
    > >
    > > Where will the Gerona cycling crowd move to next? Back
    > > to Nice? Time
    will
    > > tell.
    > >
    >
    > Have you ever been to spain, or europe for that matter?
    > spain's population has been anti-american (government)
    > ever since eisenhower visited franco, if not before.
    >
    > and it's not anti-americanism that's put vande velde&
    > danielson in this situation, it's the fact that liberty
    > and fassa didn't even ask about their legal status. as i
    > mention, maybe the two guys were slightly naive, but the
    > team organizations also share some responsibility.
     
  9. Rk

    Rk Guest

    [email protected] (otto) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    >
    > Have you ever been to spain, or europe for that matter?
    > spain's population has been anti-american (government)
    > ever since eisenhower visited franco, if not before.
    >

    They've been anti-American since the Spanish American war.
    (We also bought Louisanna from France, while they were
    renting it from Spain.)
     
  10. Bryanb

    Bryanb Guest

    Man, what a prick.

    Yes, I have been over there. Have you?

    The facts are that recently (not talking about 50 year old
    grudges) our cycling boys have been settling in there.
    Perhaps you're not familiar with the term Nationalism? Not
    withstanding the errors made by the two riders mentioned,
    the point was raised about potential trends in the political
    atmosphere. So get your head out of your ass.

    Putz.

    "otto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "BryanB" <[email protected]> wrote
    > in message
    news:<[email protected]_s54>...
    > > I think you may have touched on a point to watch in the
    > > future. With Spain's newly elected socialist, anti-Iraq-
    > > war president, there could be shift to a more anti-
    > > American attitude throughout the country.
    > >
    > > Where will the Gerona cycling crowd move to next? Back
    > > to Nice? Time
    will
    > > tell.
    > >
    >
    > Have you ever been to spain, or europe for that matter?
    > spain's population has been anti-american (government)
    > ever since eisenhower visited franco, if not before.
    >
    > and it's not anti-americanism that's put vande velde&
    > danielson in this situation, it's the fact that liberty
    > and fassa didn't even ask about their legal status. as i
    > mention, maybe the two guys were slightly naive, but the
    > team organizations also share some responsibility.
     
  11. Otto

    Otto Guest

    "BryanB" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]_s52>...
    > Man, what a prick.
    >
    > Yes, I have been over there. Have you?
    >
    > The facts are that recently (not talking about 50 year old
    > grudges) our cycling boys have been settling in there.
    > Perhaps you're not familiar with the term Nationalism? Not
    > withstanding the errors made by the two riders mentioned,
    > the point was raised about potential trends in the
    > political atmosphere. So get your head out of your ass.
    >
    > Putz.

    looks like someone has their knickers in a twist.

    certainly aware of the term nationalism. i see more than i
    can stomach back home in the USofA.

    My point is that i don't see the Posties, or any other
    cyclist who's team have taken care of business as having a
    problem. the tightening of immigration laws are attributed
    to the EU, 'security', and a rise in xenophobia in Europe
    (not to mention the US). how else would you explain the fact
    that the netherlands in deporting 26,000 asylum seekers?

    as for the rest, go [email protected] yourself
     
  12. Dumbasses,

    only dumbasses seek anti-americanism in this. If there are
    new, stricter regulations
    1. they are there because of tight-assness over immigration
    and security reasons, and
    2. they apply to all non-EU residents.

    Just because these 2 (and their teams) overlooked it,
    doesn't mean there's more it.
     
  13. Otto

    Otto Guest

    Van Hoorebeeck Bart <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Dumbasses,
    >
    > only dumbasses seek anti-americanism in this. If there are
    > new, stricter regulations
    > 1. they are there because of tight-assness over
    > immigration and security reasons, and
    > 2. they apply to all non-EU residents.
    >
    > Just because these 2 (and their teams) overlooked it,
    > doesn't mean there's more it.

    goed gezegt. at least maneer van hoorbeek gets it.
     
  14. Bryanb

    Bryanb Guest

    Oh I "get" what you are saying. Unfortunately some people
    [you] can't follow a particular point, which in this case
    had nothing to do with the paperwork issue but the overall
    political atmosphere in Spain these days.

    Feel free to discuss whatever you wish, but please refrain
    from bastardizing threads made by others.

    "otto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Van Hoorebeeck Bart <[email protected]>
    > wrote in
    message news:<[email protected]>...
    > > Dumbasses,
    > >
    > > only dumbasses seek anti-americanism in this. If there
    > > are new, stricter regulations
    > > 1. they are there because of tight-assness over
    > > immigration and security reasons, and
    > > 2. they apply to all non-EU residents.
    > >
    > > Just because these 2 (and their teams) overlooked it,
    > > doesn't mean there's more it.
    >
    > goed gezegt. at least maneer van hoorbeek gets it.
     
  15. Otto

    Otto Guest

    "BryanB" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]_s03>...
    > Oh I "get" what you are saying. Unfortunately some people
    > [you] can't follow a particular point, which in this case
    > had nothing to do with the paperwork issue but the overall
    > political atmosphere in Spain these days.
    >
    > Feel free to discuss whatever you wish, but please refrain
    > from bastardizing threads made by others.
    >

    buddy - i started the thread

    > > goed gezegt. at least maneer van hoorbeek gets it.
     
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