vasectomy recovery time

[Bill Baka]

M. Barbee wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> When my dog was neutered he was fine within a couple of days. Why
>> would any self respecting MAN get himself fixed? If you are in a
>> committed relationship it is your duty to tell your woman to get on the
>> pill. If not you have to bag it anyway to prevent getting skanked and
>> that will prevent pregancy . Think about how you will feel walking
>> around knowing you are shooting blanks. You'll probably feel alot like
>> a fixed dog. They lose something after being fixed. You will too.
>>
>
> Perhaps most people no that this is total nonsense, but in case someone
> doesn't: I lost nothing. In fact, I'm better because I'm more relaxed
> since there's no worry about "my woman" getting pregnant. No worry
> about the condom breaking. No worry about her "forgetting" to take the
> pill or something going wrong with the pill. In fact, if you tell "your
> woman" to get on the pill, and she agrees, there is a chance for side
> effects that effect her libido. No need to risk this and other side
> effects now. Any self respecting MAN, who knows he never wants to have
> children or never wants to have any more children, would take
> responsibility for the contraception and not try to shift his
> responsibility onto "his woman." A condom is one option. A vasectomy
> is another.

I am not 'fixed' since I only had one daughter but I have heard tales of
accidental pregnancies, so would probably advise the female half to use
the pill too. My daughter is 26 and tells her mom (not me) about her sex
life and broken condoms (details left out) so to be as safe as possible
you would want to use a vasectomy, pill, condom approach. Kind of like
biking, be prepared for what could go wrong. Since there are nasties
like AIDs out there, it is better to err on the safe side. Worrying
about getting my wife pregnant is now a non issue since we are both in
our 55~60 stage. Only problem is that men never stop being able to start
off a new life and that could lead to a really hard to explain situation.
Proceed with caution,
Bill Baka

 

[Bill Baka]

Rick Warner wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2005 07:58:19 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>When my dog was neutered he was fine within a couple of days. Why
>>would any self respecting MAN get himself fixed? If you are in a
>>committed relationship it is your duty to tell your woman to get on the
>>pill. If not you have to bag it anyway to prevent getting skanked and
>>that will prevent pregancy . Think about how you will feel walking
>>around knowing you are shooting blanks. You'll probably feel alot like
>>a fixed dog. They lose something after being fixed. You will too.
>
Why don't they just give dogs a vasectomy? Full castration makes them
less aggressive, so that might be good for some people I have seen
posting here and there.
>
> 1) The pill is less than 100% effective even when taken diligently.
Maybe 98%.

> 2) Side effects from 'the pill' can be problematic for some women.
True.
> Better if they can go off contraceptives and leave the birth control
> to the male in the relationship.
Vasectomies are hard to reverse in case you do want rug rats. Ditto for
female tube tying.
> 3) 'bagging it' is even less effective.
Correct since they tend to break during a heated session, or would that
just be 'worn out"?
> 4) When one is in their 50's they do not necessarily want a baby
> around; having a child hit puberty when one is retiring is not
> necessarily a good thing.
Not necessarily bad either. I'm 56 and still enjoy the kids, err,
grandchildren.
> 5) Some of my friends have had 'the procedure' after having the
> maximum number of children they wanted to father; shooting blanks
> means no worries about exceeding what they want.
Right on, but you need to be pretty sure you intend to stay married and
not wind up doing the all too common divorce/remarry thing.
> 6) A dog that is fixed loses the capability of producing hormones as
> well; a vasectomy merely interrupts the delivery system so the
> swimmers cannot get out. All the hormone production remains intact.
As long as your voice doesn't go up in pitch you know the right thing
was snipped.
Bill Baka
>
> Now, go get a life ...
>
> - rick
>

 

[Maggie]

[email protected] wrote:
> When my dog was neutered he was fine within a couple of days. Why
> would any self respecting MAN get himself fixed? If you are in a
> committed relationship it is your duty to tell your woman to get on
the
> pill. If not you have to bag it anyway to prevent getting skanked
and
> that will prevent pregancy . Think about how you will feel walking
> around knowing you are shooting blanks. You'll probably feel alot
like
> a fixed dog. They lose something after being fixed. You will too.

How did I miss this post" "IT IS YOUR DUTY TO TELL YOUR WOMAN???????"
I have never read such an ignorant post. Aside from my bicycle posts,
this tops the list for dumbass posts. You are probably ***** whipped
and can't TELL your woman anything....thus you write this ridiculous
post. Just my opinion, thank you. Tell your woman? What the heck are
you, a cave man? A man who has a vasectomy, is a man who does not have
any doubts about his manhood. He is confident in his sexuality. Plus he
is intelligent enough to know when he and his significant other should
not have any more children and understands the pill can be harmful to
said significant other. As a woman gets older doctors tell her to stop
taking the pill. A woman who has reached late 30's should be off the
pill. So if you hate condoms, as most men do. Get yourself fixed.
You're freaking idea of feeling like a fixed dog does not compare to
the harmful affects that birth control can have on women past a certain
age.

Next to teenagers, women in their 40s have the highest proportion of
unplanned pregnancies, They're thinking it's not going to happen to
them, but it can. So if you've finished your family and don't want more
children, don't assume you can stop contraception. Find what is right
for your situation and age.

There is nothing more attractive than a confident, self assured, and
honest man.
Maggie
Member in good standing of NOW
National Organization for Women

 

[Bill Baka]

Maggie wrote:
>
> How did I miss this post" "IT IS YOUR DUTY TO TELL YOUR WOMAN???????"
> I have never read such an ignorant post. Aside from my bicycle posts,
> this tops the list for dumbass posts. You are probably ***** whipped
> and can't TELL your woman anything....thus you write this ridiculous
> post. Just my opinion, thank you. Tell your woman? What the heck are
> you, a cave man? A man who has a vasectomy, is a man who does not have
> any doubts about his manhood. He is confident in his sexuality. Plus he
> is intelligent enough to know when he and his significant other should
> not have any more children and understands the pill can be harmful to
> said significant other. As a woman gets older doctors tell her to stop
> taking the pill. A woman who has reached late 30's should be off the
> pill. So if you hate condoms, as most men do. Get yourself fixed.
> You're freaking idea of feeling like a fixed dog does not compare to
> the harmful affects that birth control can have on women past a certain
> age.
>
Maggie, middle 40s is when a woman should go off the pill. There are a
fair number of women having children in their 40s. I think Sharon Stone
had a baby recently at around 43. I don't know if hormone therapy is
needed over 40 or not but I think there is a chance up to about 50.

> Next to teenagers, women in their 40s have the highest proportion of
> unplanned pregnancies, They're thinking it's not going to happen to
> them, but it can. So if you've finished your family and don't want more
> children, don't assume you can stop contraception. Find what is right
> for your situation and age.

Correct. I have a 39 year old step daughter who has a 3 year old who my
wife baby sits for and I would not be surprised if there was another one
in the future. Some women are just baby factories, others aren't.
>
> There is nothing more attractive than a confident, self assured, and
> honest man.
> Maggie
> Member in good standing of NOW
> National Organization for Women
>
I'm with you Maggie,
Bill Baka

 

[Bill Baka]

Maggie wrote:
>
> How did I miss this post" "IT IS YOUR DUTY TO TELL YOUR WOMAN???????"
> I have never read such an ignorant post. Aside from my bicycle posts,
> this tops the list for dumbass posts. You are probably ***** whipped
> and can't TELL your woman anything....thus you write this ridiculous
> post. Just my opinion, thank you. Tell your woman? What the heck are
> you, a cave man? A man who has a vasectomy, is a man who does not have
> any doubts about his manhood. He is confident in his sexuality. Plus he
> is intelligent enough to know when he and his significant other should
> not have any more children and understands the pill can be harmful to
> said significant other. As a woman gets older doctors tell her to stop
> taking the pill. A woman who has reached late 30's should be off the
> pill. So if you hate condoms, as most men do. Get yourself fixed.
> You're freaking idea of feeling like a fixed dog does not compare to
> the harmful affects that birth control can have on women past a certain
> age.
>
Maggie, middle 40s is when a woman should go off the pill. There are a
fair number of women having children in their 40s. I think Sharon Stone
had a baby recently at around 43. I don't know if hormone therapy is
needed over 40 or not but I think there is a chance up to about 50.

> Next to teenagers, women in their 40s have the highest proportion of
> unplanned pregnancies, They're thinking it's not going to happen to
> them, but it can. So if you've finished your family and don't want more
> children, don't assume you can stop contraception. Find what is right
> for your situation and age.

Correct. I have a 39 year old step daughter who has a 3 year old who my
wife baby sits for and I would not be surprised if there was another one
in the future. Some women are just baby factories, others aren't.
>
> There is nothing more attractive than a confident, self assured, and
> honest man.
> Maggie
> Member in good standing of NOW
> National Organization for Women
>
I'm with you Maggie,
Bill Baka

 

[[email protected]]

A man going under the knife to get neutered is not a man. If the pill
is not an option (though the side effects are great) they can use the
rhythm or withdrawal methods
although a real man saying "I'll pull out" is as likely as a real man
getting the cut. Teens get knocked up cuz theyre stupid . In the 40's
its also stupidity- look at the calendar can prevent most pregnancies.
And if people are married who cares if another child comes along?

 

[Maggie]

[email protected] wrote:
> A man going under the knife to get neutered is not a man. If the
pill
> is not an option (though the side effects are great) they can use the
> rhythm or withdrawal methods
> although a real man saying "I'll pull out" is as likely as a real man
> getting the cut. Teens get knocked up cuz theyre stupid . In the
40's
> its also stupidity- look at the calendar can prevent most
pregnancies.
> And if people are married who cares if another child comes along?
How old are you? 12?

 

[Maggie]

[email protected] wrote:
> A man going under the knife to get neutered is not a man. If the
pill
> is not an option (though the side effects are great) they can use the
> rhythm or withdrawal methods
> although a real man saying "I'll pull out" is as likely as a real man
> getting the cut. Teens get knocked up cuz theyre stupid . In the
40's
> its also stupidity- look at the calendar can prevent most
pregnancies.
> And if people are married who cares if another child comes along?
How old are you? 12?

 

[Maggie]

> 4) When one is in their 50's they do not necessarily want a baby
> around; having a child hit puberty when one is retiring is not
> necessarily a good thing.>
> - rick


What a scary thought. If you have a baby at 45 you will have a
teenager when you are in your sixties......Oh my God. I hardly made it
through my kids teenage years and I got married when I was a mere
child. I was in my thirties when they were in the hell of puberty.
Early forties for my last one going through puberty. If I had one
going through all that now that I am 50, I think I might shoot myself.
I want grandchildren. The kind you get to spoil and send home with
their parents. It doesn't get any better than that.
Maggie.

 

[Bill Baka]

Maggie wrote:
>>4) When one is in their 50's they do not necessarily want a baby
>>around; having a child hit puberty when one is retiring is not
>>necessarily a good thing.>
>>- rick
>
>
>
> What a scary thought. If you have a baby at 45 you will have a
> teenager when you are in your sixties......Oh my God. I hardly made it
> through my kids teenage years and I got married when I was a mere
> child. I was in my thirties when they were in the hell of puberty.
> Early forties for my last one going through puberty. If I had one
> going through all that now that I am 50, I think I might shoot myself.
> I want grandchildren. The kind you get to spoil and send home with
> their parents. It doesn't get any better than that.
> Maggie.
>
Probably right. I can run around with my grandchildren and then send
them home so I can unwind and get some relaxation time. It is kind of
weird spending more time with my grandchildren than I did with my
daughter, but then I was working out of town a lot.

Enjoy them while you can.
Bill Baka

 

[Mark Hickey]

"Maggie" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>[email protected] wrote:
>> A man going under the knife to get neutered is not a man. If the
>pill
>> is not an option (though the side effects are great) they can use the
>> rhythm or withdrawal methods
>> although a real man saying "I'll pull out" is as likely as a real man
>> getting the cut. Teens get knocked up cuz theyre stupid . In the
>40's
>> its also stupidity- look at the calendar can prevent most
>pregnancies.
>> And if people are married who cares if another child comes along?

>How old are you? 12?

Don't feed the troll, Maggie... you'll just encourage him to say other
outrageous things that will get your knickers in a twist (oops, was
that PC?). ;-)

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

 

[M. Barbee]

Bill Baka wrote:
> M. Barbee wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> When my dog was neutered he was fine within a couple of days. Why
>>> would any self respecting MAN get himself fixed? If you are in a
>>> committed relationship it is your duty to tell your woman to get on the
>>> pill. If not you have to bag it anyway to prevent getting skanked and
>>> that will prevent pregancy . Think about how you will feel walking
>>> around knowing you are shooting blanks. You'll probably feel alot like
>>> a fixed dog. They lose something after being fixed. You will too.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps most people no that this is total nonsense, but in case
>> someone doesn't: I lost nothing. In fact, I'm better because I'm
>> more relaxed since there's no worry about "my woman" getting
>> pregnant. No worry about the condom breaking. No worry about her
>> "forgetting" to take the pill or something going wrong with the pill.
>> In fact, if you tell "your woman" to get on the pill, and she agrees,
>> there is a chance for side effects that effect her libido. No need to
>> risk this and other side effects now. Any self respecting MAN, who
>> knows he never wants to have children or never wants to have any more
>> children, would take responsibility for the contraception and not try
>> to shift his responsibility onto "his woman." A condom is one
>> option. A vasectomy is another.
>
>
> I am not 'fixed' since I only had one daughter but I have heard tales of
> accidental pregnancies, so would probably advise the female half to use
> the pill too. My daughter is 26 and tells her mom (not me) about her sex
> life and broken condoms (details left out) so to be as safe as possible
> you would want to use a vasectomy, pill, condom approach. Kind of like
> biking, be prepared for what could go wrong. Since there are nasties
> like AIDs out there, it is better to err on the safe side. Worrying
> about getting my wife pregnant is now a non issue since we are both in
> our 55~60 stage. Only problem is that men never stop being able to start
> off a new life and that could lead to a really hard to explain situation.
> Proceed with caution,
> Bill Baka

I agree no method of contraception is 100% effective. I am aware that
condoms, pills and vasectomies fail, but vasectomy failure is less 1%.
Sometimes the tube grows back together. My doctor in addition to the
usual cutting and cauterizing, bent the tubes away from each other. I
went back for both of my post procedure sperm counts, even though my
doctor said most of his patients disappear after the first count. Some
of the failures associated with other methods like the pill and
contraception are caused by improper use of the contraceptive
(forgetting to take the pill one day, putting the condom on too late or
improperly...). That isn't a concern with a vasectomy. The risk is as
low as possible barring abstinence, and I can live with that level or risk.

On the other hand, STD's are real. I am married, but if I were not, I'd
definitely be using a condom as well with any woman with whom I were
having sexual activity.

 

[Skyhooks]

Maggie wrote:
>
> > 4) When one is in their 50's they do not necessarily want a baby
> > around; having a child hit puberty when one is retiring is not
> > necessarily a good thing.>
> > - rick
>
> What a scary thought. If you have a baby at 45 you will have a
> teenager when you are in your sixties......Oh my God. I hardly made it
> through my kids teenage years and I got married when I was a mere
> child. I was in my thirties when they were in the hell of puberty.
> Early forties for my last one going through puberty. If I had one
> going through all that now that I am 50, I think I might shoot myself.
> I want grandchildren. The kind you get to spoil and send home with
> their parents. It doesn't get any better than that.
> Maggie.

The sad thing is a lot of the "grandparents" today in their later 50s
and 60s are (now) saddled (not quite the word I want to use) to raise
their grandchildren because their own child(ren) didn't or couldn't
properly support and care for their children (the grandkids), or perhaps
the middle generation refused to accept/honor responsibilty,
whatever(?). In most cases, it's the child(ren) who suffers.

Unfortunately, it seems that more and more "grandparents" now have to
raise their grandkids because their own children are unable to properly
care for them??? scarey thought/times.

Skyhooks
hmardis "a h t " ui uc "dau ght" e d u

 

[Maggie]

Skyhooks wrote:
> Maggie wrote:
> >
> > > 4) When one is in their 50's they do not necessarily want a baby
> > > around; having a child hit puberty when one is retiring is not
> > > necessarily a good thing.>
> > > - rick
> >
> > What a scary thought. If you have a baby at 45 you will have a
> > teenager when you are in your sixties......Oh my God. I hardly made
it
> > through my kids teenage years and I got married when I was a mere
> > child. I was in my thirties when they were in the hell of puberty.
> > Early forties for my last one going through puberty. If I had one
> > going through all that now that I am 50, I think I might shoot
myself.
> > I want grandchildren. The kind you get to spoil and send home with
> > their parents. It doesn't get any better than that.
> > Maggie.
>
> The sad thing is a lot of the "grandparents" today in their later 50s
> and 60s are (now) saddled (not quite the word I want to use) to raise
> their grandchildren because their own child(ren) didn't or couldn't
> properly support and care for their children (the grandkids), or
perhaps
> the middle generation refused to accept/honor responsibilty,
> whatever(?). In most cases, it's the child(ren) who suffers.
>
> Unfortunately, it seems that more and more "grandparents" now have to
> raise their grandkids because their own children are unable to
properly
> care for them??? scarey thought/times.
>
> Skyhooks
> hmardis "a h t " ui uc "dau ght" e d u



I think its quite unfair of you to lump an entire generation into this
category. Not one of my friends are (saddled?) with their
grandchildren. Most of my friends have children that are educated, well
informed, and responsible. My daughter is going to be married. She has
her Masters in Counseling, he has his Masters in Business and a very
lucrative career. If anyone gets saddled with anything it will be them
and how they will care for their parents when they are ready for the
"home". My generation (those in our 50's) are more involved in taking
care of elderly parents with failing health than they are with being
saddled with grandchildren. Grandchildren are delightful. I believe
the generation of young people today are waiting until they finish
college, becoming financially stable and they are having children in
their late twenties or early thirties. As opposed to my generation
having kids at 20. I do not believe in waiting too long to have
children and I don't believe you should have them in your late teens.
Both bring their problems. This generation is a generation that seems
to have it right. Finish college, establish yourself, then start a
family when you are in your late twenties. You are not too young and
immature, yet your not so old that you will look like their
grandparents when they are teenagers. I admire this generation. I think
they have it right. And I can't wait to be saddled with some
grandchildren while I am still young enough to really enjoy them.' I
would never have wanted my daughter married with kids at 20, yet I am
hoping she does not wait until 40 either.
Maggie.

 

[[email protected]]

>>1) The pill is less than 100% effective even when taken diligently.
<<
Nothing's perfect

>>2) Side effects from 'the pill' can be problematic for some women.
Better if they can go off contraceptives and leave the birth control
to the male in the relationship.<<

Fuller breasts are bad??

 

[Rick Warner]

On 19 Jan 2005 15:50:05 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>>>1) The pill is less than 100% effective even when taken diligently.
><<
>Nothing's perfect
>
>>>2) Side effects from 'the pill' can be problematic for some women.
>Better if they can go off contraceptives and leave the birth control
>to the male in the relationship.<<
>
>Fuller breasts are bad??

Boy, you are a piece of work ...

For side-effects, let's try: pain, lower libido, depression, fatique,
headaches, breakthrough bleeding, leg pain/cramps, mood swings, weight
change, gallstones, heart attack. high blood pressure, increased risk
of breast cancer. Now which of those do you think are desirable?

- rick

 

[[email protected]]

The women I'e known who were n a "modern" pill experienced the
following;
1. set your clock by regularity of period
2. full breasts and increase in size.

 

[Rick Warner]

On 20 Jan 2005 02:16:04 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>The women I'e known who were n a "modern" pill experienced the
>following;
>1. set your clock by regularity of period
>2. full breasts and increase in size.

Since your experience level is a very small sample, perhaps you should
read a bit more.

I had the advantage of working for the company that invented the oral
contraceptive, and got to see the doctor reports from thousands of
women who took OCDs (oral contraceptives). Side-effects, esp. bad
side-effects, are not all that uncommon.

- rick