Vaughters Stirs 2010's Pot!

[oldbobcat]

Boy, if you cyclist-types are put-off by this rather benign comment ...

Once would have been sufficient.

But I agree with you entirely. As trash-talkers go, Vaughters is a real class act--cool, collected, and not agitated, concise choice of words that shows his expertise in the subject area, and an offhand, dismissive tone redolent with barely a whiff of snot.

 

[tonyzackery]

Once would have been sufficient.

Damn National Socialist Party moderators must've removed my 3 other duplicates! I wanted to make sure y'all heard me...

Jus' joshin' ya...must've been some glitch...I'll make sure and NEVER do it again as I hate to offend you folks - you know that...

 

[oldbobcat]

Not offended at all, just blowing smoke . . . and having fun. I concurred with your point, in case you haven't read that far yet.

 

[tonyzackery]

Not offended at all, just blowing smoke . . . and having fun. I concurred with your point, in case you haven't read that far yet.

Just blowin' smoke, huh, and tryin' to have fun at my expense?! Well, because my momma told me to respect my elders, I let you get away with it - this time! Next time I'll let you have it...and this time I read your entire post.

 

[Bro Deal]

Wiggins is talking about going for overall TDF win.

I don't know what Brailsford is doing but Wiggins sounds pertty confident.
Wiggins has said that he only views Contador and the Shreks as rivals for the TDF.

Wiggins is delusional. JV's recent comments indicate that Wiggins can ride decently on a stage that is mostly flat with a climb at the end. The implication is that he won't handle a truly mountainous stage, of which there were none in last year's Tour. The closest was the stage to La Grand-Bornand. Wiggins lost three minutes there, and that was with a descent at the end instead of a climb. Contador could have ridden faster on that stage but he closed down his attack on the Schlecks when Kloden fell off the pace.

 

[tambourlain]

I think it's fair to question the team around him but it was pretty apparent that when both he and Armstrong were getting the same protection, LA couldn't hang with him on the hills.

I don't think I've ever seen this much stupidity in my life. Everyone talks about Armstrong as though 09 was a measure of his ability. In 09 he had 3 years of rust in him. He was carrying too much upper body muscle. He suffered a broken collar bone during a critical time of his preparation. So anyone who say that Armstrong will perform in a certain way based on his 09 race is just an idiot.

 

[tambourlain]

Wiggins is delusional. Contador could have ridden faster on that stage but he closed down his attack on the Schlecks when Kloden fell off the pace.

Yes Wiggins is nuts. He got a huge performance boost from shedding all that fat that he used to carry. But that cheap increase is now booked. No more big pickups to be had. In fact, I expect him to have a hard time keeping that weight off. I mean, for most of his racing career he was carrying a lot extra despite all the training he was doing. I think his body wants that extra weight. Wiggins will be lucky to get 5th or 6th this year.

Contador couldn't have ridden faster. In the interview after the race he stated that the Schlecks were too strong to get away from. You mistake Contador's acceleration for his pace. There are people who can match his pace - especially if they work together. There are DSs who know this. The smart DSs will figure out how to isolate Contador and then make him use his legs before the final climb. Looking at those mountain stages, there should be plenty of opportunity to shed Conador's team before the final climb. He is the top choice for the 2010 Tour victory. But it's far from a given.

One more point. Some people just always expect the current year to be a repeat of the previous year. Those people are unimaginative and brain dead.

One one more more point. I think that Basso will be strong in the 2010 Tour.

 

[Bro Deal]

Contador couldn't have ridden faster. In the interview after the race he stated that the Schlecks were too strong to get away from. You mistake Contador's acceleration for his pace. There are people who can match his pace - especially if they work together.

No. In interviews Contador said that he shut down his attack when Kloden could not follow but Kloden could not catch back up. During the stage Contador kept looking back to see if Kloden was catching back up.

After the stage Contador wrote:>br />
"Stage 17 Hi, everybody – Today would’ve been a day to be happy about the situation in the general, but I feel like **** since my teammate Klöden slipped off the back of the leading group after pulling. I talked to him earlier about attacking, and he gave me the OK. I did, the Schleck brothers responded, but Andreas couldn’t. When I saw it, I stopped, but he wasn’t able to get back. Apart from that, we improved the situation in the general with this stage, and physically, I’m feeling good. One less day!!"

In recent interviews, Contador has said that he is looking forward to being able to ride up climbs as fast as he wants to, indicating that he was being held back by the conservative racing tactics of Bruyneel. The only times Contador showed his cards during last year's Tour were the moderate climbs of the Andorre Arcalis and Verbier stages. This year's TdF offers better opportunities.

One thing that was clear on the Ventoux stage was that Contador and Andy Schleck could have ridden away from the group.

 

[Scotttri]

Contador is a great climber no doubt. The schleck brothers can match him I feel, but Contador is the better trime trialer. However, if Contador starts putting in more time in the hills he will suffer in the time trial. I predict this year will see a different winner from last as Contador will suffer without the strong team. I think the top 5 will feature Contador, Armstrong, atleast one of the Schlecks, and Evans if he is there. But in all honesty this prediction can and will all change as it is way to far out from the race to predict.

 

[Bro Deal]

Contador is a great climber no doubt. The schleck brothers can match him I feel, but Contador is the better trime trialer. However, if Contador starts putting in more time in the hills he will suffer in the time trial. I predict this year will see a different winner from last as Contador will suffer without the strong team. I think the top 5 will feature Contador, Armstrong, atleast one of the Schlecks, and Evans if he is there. But in all honesty this prediction can and will all change as it is way to far out from the race to predict.

Contador raced virtually without a team last year. Armstrong and Bruyneel did everything they could to sabotage his chances. He had to call his brother to help him get to the Annecy time trial because Armstrong took all the team vehicles.

The Schlecks never showed that they could outclimb Contador last year. At Andorre Arcalis and Verbier Contador came out on top. Andy Shleck lost time on both stages. During the climbs in the time trials Contador crushed everyone.

 

[tambourlain]

No. In interviews Contador said that he shut down his attack when Kloden could not follow but Kloden could not catch back up.

Nah, Kloden had nothing to do with Contador shutting down. He shut down because he couldn't distance the Schlecks. The looking back for Kloden was all show.

"On the climb, when I was speaking with Andreas, I said I am going to attack," Contador said after the stage. "He said, 'if you want, attack.' I thought it was going to be a mano-a-mano with Andy Schleck and I. Then I saw that Andreas was struggling and I wasn't distancing the Schlecks, this is the big regret I have from the day.

"It was a tactic we thought about before the stage, to attack to distance the Schlecks,", Contador added. "I spoke with Bruyneel, he told me to attack if I wanted, I attacked and I saw that the brothers were strong"

Contador did nothing to help him win in that stage, but he did cut the chances of his teammates to make the podium.

 

[tambourlain]

Contador raced virtually without a team last year. Armstrong and Bruyneel did everything they could to sabotage his chances.

How idiotic. Contador was 100% protected for the entire race. The only time he needed to do any work was when there was time to be gained from it. Bruyneel knew that he already had the win for Contador. Bruyneel wanted to put other members of the team on the podium as well. That is a good thing. A team thing. Contador could only think about himself and his own glory. The whole thing with looking back for Kloden was because he knew how he was going to look like a fool. He didn't give a damn about Kloden or any of the other team members. Contador did the same kind of *****ing in the 08 Vuelta. He thought that Leipheimer should have sacrificed himself more instead of accepting that Leipheimer was right to also get himself on the podium. With Contador it's "me, me, me - and screw the team." He's the best bike racer in the world - but a total cry baby. Look at what he was doing during the Tour. He was shopping for another team, telling his teammates about it, and advertising it to the media. He makes Evans look stoic.

 

[Bro Deal]

Nah, Kloden had nothing to do with Contador shutting down. He shut down because he couldn't distance the Schlecks. The looking back for Kloden was all show.

Contador's own words say he shut down the attack when Kloden could not react. Anyone who watched the stage could see what happened.

 

[Bro Deal]

How idiotic. Contador was 100% protected for the entire race. The only time he needed to do any work was when there was time to be gained from it. Bruyneel knew that he already had the win for Contador. Bruyneel wanted to put other members of the team on the podium as well. That is a good thing. A team thing. Contador could only think about himself and his own glory. The whole thing with looking back for Kloden was because he knew how he was going to look like a fool. He didn't give a damn about Kloden or any of the other team members. Contador did the same kind of *****ing in the 08 Vuelta. He thought that Leipheimer should have sacrificed himself more instead of accepting that Leipheimer was right to also get himself on the podium. With Contador it's "me, me, me - and screw the team." He's the best bike racer in the world - but a total cry baby. Look at what he was doing during the Tour. He was shopping for another team, telling his teammates about it, and advertising it to the media. He makes Evans look stoic.

Are you a moron, or what? How many times was a domestique allowed to pursue GC hopes during the Tour on Postal or Disco? None. They did their work for the leader and then fell back to conserve as much energy as possible. Bruyneel and Armstrong got extremely angry with Floyd Landis when Landis did too good of a time trial.

During the 2009 Tour we saw the team riding for Armstrong. Armstrong himself should have been helping Contador, but the only thing he was interested in was placing high himself. Kloden sacrificed his chances for a podium by supporting an over the hill has been. Contador had to buy his own time trial wheels because the team would not provide the same ones taht were purchased for Armstrong.

And you are criticizing Contador for looking for another team? That is rich. How about Armstrong and Bruyneel who were courting Radio Shack during the Tour?

Contador had to endure constant tweet attacks from Armstrong, who was doing his best to damage Contador's chances.

 

[tambourlain]

Contador's own words say he shut down the attack when Kloden could not react. Anyone who watched the stage could see what happened.

No, microbrain, his own words show that he shut down his attack when he couldn't distance himself from Fank and Andy.

 

[Bro Deal]

No, microbrain, his own words show that he shut down his attack when he couldn't distance himself from Fank and Andy.

Sorry, you fail again, Cupcake. Contador specifically said that he stopped the attack when Kloden could not follow. He never spent enough effort trying to crack the Schlecks, and if he had gained some time then he would have had to do the descent and run into the finish by himself.

 

[tambourlain]

How many times was a domestique allowed to pursue GC hopes during the Tour on Postal or Disco?

Are you too dumb to recognize the difference? Bruyneel has several guys that could make the podium in 09. He didn't before.

During the 2009 Tour we saw the team riding for Armstrong

What a load of BS. Contador was protected by the team the entire way. He was never required to waste an ounce of energy at any time. Any other rider would have been only too happy to have had the protection that Contador had.

Contador had to buy his own time trial wheels because the team would not provide the same ones taht were purchased for Armstrong.

Nothing but crying coming from Contador.

And you are criticizing Contador for looking for another team? That is rich. How about Armstrong and Bruyneel who were courting Radio Shack during the Tour?

Again, are you so stupid that you can't tell the difference. What Armstrong and Bruyneel were doing was providing a new home for the entire TDF team. What Contador was doing was throwing a fit. Who created a new team and brought over most of the riders? Who made a big show of leaving and then took the big Astana money instead? And where did Kloden go? Who wanted to stay with the cry baby?

 

[tambourlain]

Contador specifically said that he stopped the attack when Kloden could not follow.

No, birdbrain, he specifically said that he stopped the attack when he couldn't distance himself from Frank and Andy.

 

[tonyzackery]

I don't give a shi!t about the name-calling contest you two are engaged in, but the fact was very clear that if Contador had listened to Bruyneel and played by his book during the Tour last year he would NOT have won the race. I applaud Contador on the fact he took his destiny into his own hands and snatched victory from the Godfather and his henchmen - Bruyneel included...

 

[cyberlegend1994]

Are you a moron, or what? < snip >

No, birdbrain, < snip >

Children, do I have to knock your heads together?

Seriously, please refrain from the personal attacks, there's no need for them.