Veloce 8 speed to 9 speed.

[Per ElmsäTer]

A friend of mine is thinking about upgrading his Veloce 8
speed to 9 speed. Components are probably from '99 or '00
Which components do we need to change?

Shifter? Rear Derailler? Cassette or can an extra cog just
be inserted where appropriate? Is there enough room on the
body for nine cogs or do we need to rebuild the
hub/freewheel?

Thankful for any input.

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[A.Lee]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:20:52 +0000, Per Elmsäter wrote:

> A friend of mine is thinking about upgrading his Veloce 8
> speed to 9 speed. Which components do we need to change?
> Shifter?

Yes, or get the shifter disc and index disc(?) to rebuild
the old one as 9 speed.

> Rear Derailler?
No, the old one is compatible.New jockey wheels are
sometimes suggested, but I never had a problem with mine.

> Cassette
New cassette and chain.

> there enough room on the body for nine cogs or do we need
> to rebuild the hub/freewheel?
No,a new 9 sp. hub is needed.People have said that it is
possible to fit an extra cog on the 8 speed cassette, but it
is a tight fit. Alan.
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"A.Lee" <alan@darkroom.+.com> a écrit dans le message de :
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> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:20:52 +0000, Per Elmsäter wrote:

> > there enough room on the body for nine cogs or do we
> > need to rebuild the hub/freewheel?
> No,a new 9 sp. hub is needed.People have said that it is
> possible to fit an extra cog on the 8 speed cassette, but
> it is a tight fit. Alan.

So far as I know, the pattern of teeth on the freehub is NOT
compatible with the newer 9 speed ones. However, an
additional Miche loose cog could be used, with changed
spacers, also Miche, to make it work. Have done just that.
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[Paul Kopit]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:20:52 GMT, "Per Elmsäter"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>A friend of mine is thinking about upgrading his Veloce 8
>speed to 9 speed. Components are probably from '99 or '00
>Which components do we need to change?
>
>Shifter? Rear Derailler? Cassette or can an extra cog just
>be inserted where appropriate? Is there enough room on the
>body for nine cogs or do we need to rebuild the
>hub/freewheel?

You need shifters and a chain. You can get the end cog and
8 other 8sp cogs on a 8sp hub body using 2.5 mm spacers. A
12/23 plus a 26 works great. You'll shift that 9
perfectly. If you want to put 9 or 10 sp cassettes on, you
need a hub body and the cassette. If it is a freewheel
hub, get a new hub.

 

[Pete Biggs]

Per Elmsäter wrote:
> A friend of mine is thinking about upgrading his Veloce 8
> speed to 9 speed. Components are probably from '99 or '00
> Which components do we need to change?
>
> Shifter?

Some 8sp ones can be converted but 9sp Ergo is a better
product altogether, so might as well get new levers.

> Rear Derailler?

Try old 8sp one first, but be prepared to upgrade for
best results.

> Cassette or can an extra cog just be inserted where
> appropriate? Is there enough room on the body for nine
> cogs or do we need to rebuild the hub/freewheel?

9sp cogs can't be used as they are because splines are
different.

8sp cogs (thicker than 9sp's) could be used with thinner-than-
9sp spacers, but 9 cogs like this won't fit properly. 8 cogs
could be used with 9sp shifters. In either case, an extra-
narrow chain would be needed to avoid noise.

Alternatively, 9sp cogs can be modified by grinding the tabs
down, and 9 cogs can just about be squeezed on the hub (with
the top cog barely engaging until lockring is done up
tight). Some frames may not have enough clearance.

See: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/k7.html#spacing

Front derailleur and crankset will be fine.

~PB

 

[Qui Si Parla Ca]

Per-<< A friend of mine is thinking about upgrading his
Veloce 8 speed to 9 speed. Components are probably from '99
or '00 Which components do we need to change? >><BR><BR>

Veloce was 8s in 1997, 9s in 1999...

But for 9s-right lever shift disc, rear hub or freehub
body(tough to find)for Campagnolo 9s ,m cogset and chain.

Are they new shape(1999) or old shape(1998). They need the
same disc tho-EC-RE-213

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[Per ElmsäTer]

Per Elmsäter wrote:
> A friend of mine is thinking about upgrading his Veloce 8
> speed to 9 speed. Components are probably from '99 or '00
> Which components do we need to change?
>
> Shifter? Rear Derailler? Cassette or can an extra cog just
> be inserted where appropriate? Is there enough room on the
> body for nine cogs or do we need to rebuild the
> hub/freewheel?
>
> Thankful for any input.

Thanks for the replys. I suppose we just need to disassemble
everything. Take a long look at it and decide which way to
go. BTW is it hard to rebuild the shifter with the new
indexing disc? I hear everybody say not to mess with Shimano
STI levers, but from what I understand Campa is easier to
mess with or..

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[Paul Kopit]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:42:41 GMT, "Per Elmsäter"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>BTW is it hard to rebuild the shifter with the new indexing
>disc? I hear everybody say not to mess with Shimano STI
>levers, but from what I understand Campa is easier to mess
>with or..

It's not hard to change the shift disk. While you are at it
you replace the 2 index springs and you've effectively
renewed the works.