Veloce 9 speed questions

Discussion in 'Cycling Equipment' started by Eddie Nosdtromo, Nov 21, 2005.

  1. I have an opportunity to buy a 1999 bike with Veloce components at a
    reasonably low price. My plans are to strip the components and install
    them on a early 1990's vintage Colnago. Are there any major obstacles to
    look out for? Are repair parts readily available for that year's
    components? Is there any compatability issues with Veloce components
    through the past 6 years? Thanks, Ed
     
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  2. jim beam

    jim beam Guest

    Eddie Nosdtromo wrote:
    > I have an opportunity to buy a 1999 bike with Veloce components at a
    > reasonably low price. My plans are to strip the components and install
    > them on a early 1990's vintage Colnago. Are there any major obstacles to
    > look out for? Are repair parts readily available for that year's
    > components? Is there any compatability issues with Veloce components
    > through the past 6 years? Thanks, Ed


    everything should be fine. but veloce hubs are really cheezy [poor
    bearing quality]. i would definitely make an upgrade there.
     
  3. Eddie Nosdtromo wrote:
    > I have an opportunity to buy a 1999 bike with Veloce components at a
    > reasonably low price. My plans are to strip the components and install
    > them on a early 1990's vintage Colnago. Are there any major obstacles to
    > look out for? Are repair parts readily available for that year's
    > components? Is there any compatability issues with Veloce components
    > through the past 6 years? Thanks, Ed


    May have to 'cold set' the rear triangle to 130mm and the BB shell for
    the Colnago is Italian. 1999 9s veloce is like 2005 10s veloce,
    Everything current will work with that gruppo. 9s cogsets and chains
    are plentiful. If ya ever want to convert the lever to 10s, that is
    easy as well.
     
  4. jim beam wrote:
    > Eddie Nosdtromo wrote:
    > > I have an opportunity to buy a 1999 bike with Veloce components at a
    > > reasonably low price. My plans are to strip the components and install
    > > them on a early 1990's vintage Colnago. Are there any major obstacles to
    > > look out for? Are repair parts readily available for that year's
    > > components? Is there any compatability issues with Veloce components
    > > through the past 6 years? Thanks, Ed

    >
    > everything should be fine. but veloce hubs are really cheezy [poor
    > bearing quality]. i would definitely make an upgrade there.


    1999 Veloce hubs rear hubs are just like Chorus hubs in that they have
    the same axle, bearings, different hub shell is all. FH-19VL....Same
    with the front, Same axle, bearings, etc.

    Veloce hubs of today are steel axled and cart bearings but altho
    portly, VERY long lasting cart bearings, NOT cheezy at all.
     
  5. jim beam

    jim beam Guest

    Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
    > jim beam wrote:
    >
    >>Eddie Nosdtromo wrote:
    >>
    >>>I have an opportunity to buy a 1999 bike with Veloce components at a
    >>>reasonably low price. My plans are to strip the components and install
    >>>them on a early 1990's vintage Colnago. Are there any major obstacles to
    >>>look out for? Are repair parts readily available for that year's
    >>>components? Is there any compatability issues with Veloce components
    >>>through the past 6 years? Thanks, Ed

    >>
    >>everything should be fine. but veloce hubs are really cheezy [poor
    >>bearing quality]. i would definitely make an upgrade there.

    >
    >
    > 1999 Veloce hubs rear hubs are just like Chorus hubs in that they have
    > the same axle, bearings, different hub shell is all. FH-19VL....Same
    > with the front, Same axle, bearings, etc.
    >
    > Veloce hubs of today are steel axled and cart bearings but altho
    > portly, VERY long lasting cart bearings, NOT cheezy at all.
    >

    the ones i had were back in 01. they were cup & cone and crapped out in
    about 1000 miles - and they were adjusted properly. campy warranteed
    them, but i didn't re-use them, just sold them. i was very
    disappointed. probaby old stock from what you're saying.
     
  6. damyth

    damyth Guest

    Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
    > Eddie Nosdtromo wrote:
    > > I have an opportunity to buy a 1999 bike with Veloce components at a
    > > reasonably low price. My plans are to strip the components and install
    > > them on a early 1990's vintage Colnago. Are there any major obstacles to
    > > look out for? Are repair parts readily available for that year's
    > > components? Is there any compatability issues with Veloce components
    > > through the past 6 years? Thanks, Ed

    >
    > May have to 'cold set' the rear triangle to 130mm and the BB shell for
    > the Colnago is Italian. 1999 9s veloce is like 2005 10s veloce,
    > Everything current will work with that gruppo. 9s cogsets and chains
    > are plentiful. If ya ever want to convert the lever to 10s, that is
    > easy as well.


    So what exactly needs to be replaced to upgrade 1999 9s to 10s? A
    shift disk, maybe some lever springs, chain and cassette, is that it?
     
  7. Paul Kopit

    Paul Kopit Guest

    On 21 Nov 2005 08:29:31 -0800, "damyth"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >So what exactly needs to be replaced to upgrade 1999 9s to 10s? A
    >shift disk, maybe some lever springs, chain and cassette, is that it?


    A shift cam, which necessitates removal of the through bolt, makes
    for a complete conversion. Often the cam is omitted because it's
    tricky to get to. The Cam is inexpensive.
     
  8. Mark D

    Mark D Guest

    On my 2001 Bianchi Campione, with 9S Veloce, the Front Hub has
    conventional Cups/Bearings, the Rear is Cartridge type.

    Before 10 miles were put on the Bike, I broke down both hubs, cleaned
    out the almost non-existant crappy grease, and re-lubed, and lashed both
    Hubs. I've had zero problems, and they are every bit as smooth as my
    Record 10S Hubs on my Paramount 50th. (No, they're not as pretty though)
    :)

    If you find your Colnago Frame is "very close" to 130mm. I mean
    something like 127mm-128mm, you might just be able to "squeeze" the rear
    Hub in without any frame stretching/modifications. Tire changes will be
    a little bit harder though. Mark
     
  9. [email protected] (Mark D) wrote in news:[email protected]
    3173.bay.webtv.net:

    ......
    > If you find your Colnago Frame is "very close" to 130mm. I mean
    > something like 127mm-128mm, you might just be able to "squeeze" the rear
    > Hub in without any frame stretching/modifications. Tire changes will be
    > a little bit harder though. Mark
    >
    >


    Yeah, the dropouts are about 128mm. Oh, one last question. How do I
    confirm that the Veloce components are the 1999 model? Are there any
    special markings? I heard that the older components are more difficult if
    not impossible to later convert to 10sp. Thanks, everyone for your imput,
    Ed
     
  10. Mark D

    Mark D Guest

    On my NOS Schwinn Paramount 50th Anniv. Frame, and my build-up last
    year, I went with all 2004 Record Drivetrain Components. My rear
    dropout spacing was just a tad over 128mm (Something like 128.858mm with
    a Dial Caliper)

    Just a very slight stretching was required with my fingers, and slight
    finger pressure , which I don't think will ever be a problem for me, and
    shouldn't be for you.

    While my Wipperman SS Chain, and smallest cog of a 13-26 Cassette
    appeared sort of close to the right rear dropout on this 1989 Frameset,
    so far I haven't had any problems.

    I'm hoping Peter Chisholm will answer your question about the
    dating/upgradeability of Campy Veloce Ergos. He's the Campy Expert
    here.
    Mark
     
  11. damyth wrote:
    > Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
    > > Eddie Nosdtromo wrote:
    > > > I have an opportunity to buy a 1999 bike with Veloce components at a
    > > > reasonably low price. My plans are to strip the components and install
    > > > them on a early 1990's vintage Colnago. Are there any major obstacles to
    > > > look out for? Are repair parts readily available for that year's
    > > > components? Is there any compatability issues with Veloce components
    > > > through the past 6 years? Thanks, Ed

    > >
    > > May have to 'cold set' the rear triangle to 130mm and the BB shell for
    > > the Colnago is Italian. 1999 9s veloce is like 2005 10s veloce,
    > > Everything current will work with that gruppo. 9s cogsets and chains
    > > are plentiful. If ya ever want to convert the lever to 10s, that is
    > > easy as well.

    >
    > So what exactly needs to be replaced to upgrade 1999 9s to 10s? A
    > shift disk, maybe some lever springs, chain and cassette, is that it?


    Shift disc(EC-RE-061), front toothed bushing(EC-RE-062), cogset and
    chain and 'bob's yer uncle'..
     
  12. Eddie Nosdtromo wrote:
    > [email protected] (Mark D) wrote in news:[email protected]
    > 3173.bay.webtv.net:
    >
    > .....
    > > If you find your Colnago Frame is "very close" to 130mm. I mean
    > > something like 127mm-128mm, you might just be able to "squeeze" the rear
    > > Hub in without any frame stretching/modifications. Tire changes will be
    > > a little bit harder though. Mark
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Yeah, the dropouts are about 128mm. Oh, one last question. How do I
    > confirm that the Veloce components are the 1999 model? Are there any
    > special markings? I heard that the older components are more difficult if
    > not impossible to later convert to 10sp. Thanks, everyone for your imput,
    > Ed


    1998 and older levers are not convetible to 10s. Take one of the
    levers off, take off the back plastic cap and look at the plate with
    the bolt thru it. If the plate has two small square notches in it(for
    ERGO brain), it is 1999, if it is smooth with a button head bolt
    holding it on, it is 1998.
     
  13. Mark D wrote:
    > On my NOS Schwinn Paramount 50th Anniv. Frame, and my build-up last
    > year, I went with all 2004 Record Drivetrain Components. My rear
    > dropout spacing was just a tad over 128mm (Something like 128.858mm with
    > a Dial Caliper)
    >
    > Just a very slight stretching was required with my fingers, and slight
    > finger pressure , which I don't think will ever be a problem for me, and
    > shouldn't be for you.
    >
    > While my Wipperman SS Chain, and smallest cog of a 13-26 Cassette
    > appeared sort of close to the right rear dropout on this 1989 Frameset,
    > so far I haven't had any problems.
    >
    > I'm hoping Peter Chisholm will answer your question about the
    > dating/upgradeability of Campy Veloce Ergos. He's the Campy Expert
    > here.
    > Mark


    Thanks for the compliment-peter
     
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