Walking Poles & Rucsac attachments

Bitstring <BD84DC13.37F22%andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk>, from
the wonderful person Andy Howell
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On 2/10/04 1:05 pm, in article [email hidden],

Phil Cook said:

I just saw that on the weather on telly. Nasty rain in the West of
Wales at the moment and strong gales blowing in over the weekend.

Hmm, off to Long Mynnd tomorrow. Sounds as if it might be eventful!

Lotsa luck. The nice thing about the Mynd (your 'N' key bounced) is that
you can avoid the worst of the wind/rain (usually) by sticking to the
East side around Church Stretton & Carding Mill Valley .. but doubtless
you are going up to the top to get your head blown off. 8>.

At least you should be safe from low flying gliders and SAS folks
training with paragliders - although with the SAS you never can be sure.

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

Bitstring <BD84DC13.37F22%andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk>, from
the wonderful person Andy Howell
<andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk.?.invalid> said

Quoted message said:

On 2/10/04 1:05 pm, in article
[email hidden],

Phil Cook said:

I just saw that on the weather on telly. Nasty rain in the West of
Wales at the moment and strong gales blowing in over the weekend.

Hmm, off to Long Mynnd tomorrow. Sounds as if it might be eventful!

Lotsa luck. The nice thing about the Mynd (your 'N' key bounced) is that
you can avoid the worst of the wind/rain (usually) by sticking to the
East side around Church Stretton & Carding Mill Valley .. but doubtless
you are going up to the top to get your head blown off. 8>.

At least you should be safe from low flying gliders and SAS folks
training with paragliders - although with the SAS you never can be sure.

As a paraglider pilot I can assure you that the SAS have better means of
getting around! Flying a paraglider in a howling gale is one thing
(you'll die!), but if you try to fly one in the rain you will find
yourself falling out of the sky at a great rate of knots with 30 sq.
metres of ripstop nylon flapping about your ears :-(

--
Dave McLaughlin

[censored] Sapiens Non Urinat In Ventum

In article <BD84DB5A.37F20%andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk>, Andy
Howell <andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk.?.invalid> writes

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There are certainly times, after a long walk, when it is really nice to put
the poles away and walk naturally ...

That's the idea.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

In article <BD8349B2.37CCA%andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk>,
andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk says...

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On 1/10/04 1:02 am, in article [email hidden], "Paul

Saunders said:

Jim Ford wrote:

strain.

This is about right, although there are times when I find myself using poles
on flatter stretches. Never use them on tarmac though.

back in June at the end of a 30 mile charity walk in the Lakes I was
using poles on tarmac (mainly to keep me upright) and the number of
blokes that kept looking for the girl in high heels was amazing!

--
Darren

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andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk says...

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On 2/10/04 9:45 am, in article [email hidden], "W.

D. Grey said:

I usually walk with one, or two poles and find them useful if not
necessary at times. However there are those times when they are actually
an encumbrance because one's walking is regulated by the poles, and on
such occasions I prefer to carry the, This is why some means of
attaching them to my sack would be good.

There are certainly times, after a long walk, when it is really nice to put
the poles away and walk naturally ...

and not only at the end. Coming down Devil's Kitchen on Saturday on the
hideous scree the poles were invaluable. And I then kept using them on
the following stepped section and when my knees started to give some
real pain I started to rely on them even more. It was only a few
hundred (or so it seemed) steps later that I twigged it was actually
using the poles that was the source of the pain. The unnatural walking
style due to using the poles on the steps meant that I was landing
heavily on a flat foot with no spring in my step. Putting the poles
away got rid of the pain in a couple of minutes.

Incidentally, what can they do to devil's kitchen next to try and make
it an even more hideous descent.?! :-(

--
Darren

In article <[email hidden]>, pvs1
@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk says...

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Steve Jones said:

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With my new Infinity ruckack

Aha!! - never mind the poles, hows that neat little bit of kit panning
out?

Well I still haven't had a chance to use it for real yet, every time I
plan to go out something seems to crop up. I was going to go out this
weekend but the forecast is pretty foul.

should have gone - no rain at all on Sat during the day and all the
Snowdon/glyders/etc peaks were out of the cloud. Granted it was blowing
a gale but I like that and at least it keeps the Snowdon train to the
half way stage.

It did rain later evening, but rain when cosily tucked up in tent is
therapeutic!

--
Darren

In article <[email hidden]>,
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I can slot mine onto the outside of my Berghaus Freeflow 38+8 okay. But then
when it rains (as it did on Howden Moor on Tuesday) the protective cover
won't go over them.

Anybody got a solution to this?

took them in your compression straps (if you have them!)?

--
Darren

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

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In article <[email hidden]>,
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I can slot mine onto the outside of my Berghaus Freeflow 38+8 okay. But then
when it rains (as it did on Howden Moor on Tuesday) the protective cover
won't go over them.

Anybody got a solution to this?

took them in your compression straps (if you have them!)?

or you can even tuck them in if that is easier
--
Darren

Darren G said:

It did rain later evening, but rain when cosily tucked up in tent is
therapeutic!

Not when you've pitched in a hollow, or right next to a stream...

....especially with this much rain. It's still belting down heavily now,
as it has been all day. I bet the waterfalls look really good right
now!

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Darren G said:

It was
only a few hundred (or so it seemed) steps later that I twigged it
was actually using the poles that was the source of the pain. The
unnatural walking style due to using the poles on the steps

it's not the poles fault, you just weren't using them "correctly". By
correctly I mean in a style that suits you and the terrain. I find that
different styles are necessary for uphill, downhill, flat, unneven and
so on. There's no single correct method, you need to vary the length
and the style to suit your circumstances. It does take a bit of
practice to get the best out of them.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
<[email hidden]> writes

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...especially with this much rain. It's still belting down heavily now,
as it has been all day. I bet the waterfalls look really good right
now!

Guess where I was yesterday (Sunday)..............

On top of Fan Gyhirych !!!!!!!!!!

Yes it was wet and windy :-)
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

Darren G said:

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"Toby Jug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> Could some kind person please enlighten me as to the best way to attach a
> walking pole or poles to my rucsac.

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I can slot mine onto the outside of my Berghaus Freeflow 38+8 okay. But then
when it rains (as it did on Howden Moor on Tuesday) the protective cover
won't go over them.
Anybody got a solution to this?

Quoted message said:

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took them in your compression straps (if you have them!)?

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or you can even tuck them in if that is easier.

"Silly fool of a Took!"

Who cares if they get wet anyway?
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

W. D. Grey said:

Guess where I was yesterday (Sunday)..............

Yesterday!!!

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On top of Fan Gyhirych !!!!!!!!!!

Mad!!!

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
<[email hidden]> writes

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On top of Fan Gyhirych !!!!!!!!!!

Mad!!!

Maybe :-) but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

A real walker with his dog passed us. He did give us a smile and a wave
and seemed to be enjoying himself.

We went up the track I've been on about - it is a fair old stroll along
that route.

I must get up there again when I can see more than fifty yards ahead.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

In article <[email hidden]>, pvs1
@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk says...

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Darren G wrote:

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Not when you've pitched in a hollow, or right next to a stream...

...especially with this much rain. It's still belting down heavily now,
as it has been all day. I bet the waterfalls look really good right
now!

well if after all these years you don't know a bad pitch when you see
one... :-)

The waterfalls were fantastic even on Sat from the overnight rain -
especially around Devils Kitchen. Most of the paths were pretty similar
too. Unfortunately a couple of the group where showing signs of
tiredness so didn;t get much time to get the camera out. The
disadvantages of walking with a group. :-(

Incidentally, took your detour around Bristly Ridge (it wasn't going to
be much fun in that wind) and it made a nice route. Pretty good scenery
en route, but it did mean a fair bit of rock hopping to get up to the
summit of Fach.

--
Darren

In article <[email hidden]>, pvs1
@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk says...

Quoted message said:

Darren G said:

It was
only a few hundred (or so it seemed) steps later that I twigged it
was actually using the poles that was the source of the pain. The
unnatural walking style due to using the poles on the steps

it's not the poles fault,

agreed

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you just weren't using them "correctly".

Probably ...

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By
correctly I mean in a style that suits you and the terrain. I find that
different styles are necessary for uphill, downhill, flat, unneven and

(and you can even use the straps correctly - it's always amusing the
number of people who just hang them around the wrist.)

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so on. There's no single correct method, you need to vary the length
and the style to suit your circumstances. It does take a bit of
practice to get the best out of them.

but been using them for ages on similar terrain without a problem
(extended to nearly full length for descent). Seems strange, especially
as I did a five k run and a spinning class (yeah, I know ...!) today
without any trouble from my knees at all. Just hoping it's a one-off.

--
Darren

In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook
<[email hidden]> writes

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Bernard Hill said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Toby Jug
<[email hidden]> writes

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Could some kind person please enlighten me as to the best way to attach a
walking pole or poles to my rucsac.

Do you attach them point end up or down ?

And one of my rucsacs looks like it only has room for one - but if i'm
carrying two it's a problem.

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My Craghoppers rucksac has pockets at the side for the poles. Or at
least a lower pocket about 3" deep and an upper strap to keep it
vertical.

So it's point up for me.

My sacs have wand pockets and straps but I always carry mine point
down. I just put them into the pocket as far as the basket and strap
'em in. Both on the same side, the other side often has a triopd on
it. I've used ice axe loops to carry them too, put the pointy end in
and give it a twist to tighten the loop a bit and then fasten the
strap round the handle.

The pockets are too small for the little baskets on the poles. Has to be
up with my rucksack. Not to mention getting the baskets through the
loops.

--
Bernard Hill
Selkirk, Scotland

Darren G said:

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There's no single correct method, you need to vary the length
and the style to suit your circumstances. It does take a bit of
practice to get the best out of them.

but been using them for ages on similar terrain without a problem
(extended to nearly full length for descent). Seems strange,
especially as I did a five k run and a spinning class (yeah, I know
...!) today without any trouble from my knees at all. Just hoping
it's a one-off.

Seriously, there are *lots* of different ways of using them. It's not
just a question of length, there's angle and stride technique to
consider.

Not sure if I answered this, but in regard to ascents, the more effort
you put into the poles, the less strain there is on the legs, therefore
the less tired they are at the end of the walk, hence the less risk of
an injury to the knees or whatever. Tired legs at the end of walks are
one of the biggest causes of injury I believe.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

In article <[email hidden]>, pvs1
@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk says...

Quoted message said:

Darren G said:

Quoted message said:

There's no single correct method, you need to vary the length
and the style to suit your circumstances. It does take a bit of
practice to get the best out of them.

but been using them for ages on similar terrain without a problem
(extended to nearly full length for descent). Seems strange,
especially as I did a five k run and a spinning class (yeah, I know
...!) today without any trouble from my knees at all. Just hoping
it's a one-off.

Seriously, there are *lots* of different ways of using them. It's not
just a question of length, there's angle and stride technique to
consider.

I agree entirely. I just find it strange that I've never had the
problem before in similar circumstances. I suspect it is a combination
of tired legs, heavy pack and long day leading to me over-relying on
them. Putting them away forced me to use my legs properly.

They were, however, invaluable descending the scree prior to the steps.

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Not sure if I answered this, but in regard to ascents [...]

Think you had, but no harm in being sure :-)

I tend to use poles more for for ascent than descent, especially as I'm
heavy built and can really use the upper body strength to save the legs
and pick up the speed.
--
Darren

W. D. Grey said:

Maybe :-) but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

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We

We?

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went up the track I've been on about - it is a fair old stroll
along that route.

Glad you finally got arount to it.

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I must get up there again when I can see more than fifty yards ahead.

Indeed, there are some good views up there.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk