Wally World BSO!

[Craig Brossman]

small change wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>I know what I'm getting when I buy a $250 LBS hardtail over a $50
>>Wally World BSO. But I have no idea what the Dyson gives me over the
>>Hoover. Greg would be in the spot of explaining that his "not ****"
>>goods last 10 times longer, but only cost 5 times as much.
>>
>>Tough sell, I'd bet.
>>
>>E.P.
>
>
> As explained to me by the local vacuum shop guy, Dyson has really good
> marketing skills, but his designs are just fair. He has a history of failed
> products/marketing before he hit it big with the vacuum cleaner. Said vacuum
> shop guy is seriously underwhelemed by the Dyson .
>
> ps
>
>

I guess the alt.sewing women aren't RAVING about it anymore.
Tell them Craig said to get a Miele and be done with it.


--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado

Owner/Operator of the Pekingnese Ranch.

 

[small change]

Craig Brossman wrote:
> small change wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I know what I'm getting when I buy a $250 LBS hardtail over a $50
>>> Wally World BSO. But I have no idea what the Dyson gives me over
>>> the Hoover. Greg would be in the spot of explaining that his "not
>>> ****" goods last 10 times longer, but only cost 5 times as much.
>>>
>>> Tough sell, I'd bet.
>>>
>>> E.P.
>>
>>
>> As explained to me by the local vacuum shop guy, Dyson has really
>> good marketing skills, but his designs are just fair. He has a
>> history of failed products/marketing before he hit it big with the
>> vacuum cleaner. Said vacuum shop guy is seriously underwhelemed by
>> the Dyson . ps
>>
>>
>
> I guess the alt.sewing women aren't RAVING about it anymore.
> Tell them Craig said to get a Miele and be done with it.

<snort> too funny. Did they ever?

 

[JD]

p e t e f a g e r l i n wrote:
> di wrote:
>
> > If at all possible, I don't buy Chinese, SE Asia, Mexican or Walmart, and
> > I'm not a union advocate.
>
> I not a scum sucking union advocate either but
> there is no way I could survive without Mexican
> food


Yeah, and let us not forget Mexican cactus juice.

JD Patron

 

[Craig Brossman]

small change wrote:
> Craig Brossman wrote:
>
>>small change wrote:
>>
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I know what I'm getting when I buy a $250 LBS hardtail over a $50
>>>>Wally World BSO. But I have no idea what the Dyson gives me over
>>>>the Hoover. Greg would be in the spot of explaining that his "not
>>>>****" goods last 10 times longer, but only cost 5 times as much.
>>>>
>>>>Tough sell, I'd bet.
>>>>
>>>>E.P.
>>>
>>>
>>>As explained to me by the local vacuum shop guy, Dyson has really
>>>good marketing skills, but his designs are just fair. He has a
>>>history of failed products/marketing before he hit it big with the
>>>vacuum cleaner. Said vacuum shop guy is seriously underwhelemed by
>>>the Dyson . ps
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I guess the alt.sewing women aren't RAVING about it anymore.
>>Tell them Craig said to get a Miele and be done with it.
>
>
> <snort> too funny. Did they ever?
>
>

I think it was about a year ago, from some gal formaly know as Penny

"
Craig Brossman wrote:
> GeeDubb wrote:

>> A car is way better than the vacuum cleaner I came home with on one
>> Valentine's Day. I joked that is was a gift.........oops......I'm
>> still hearing about that 20 years later.

>> Gary

> It probably wasn't a Miele.

Dyson is the one alt.sewing women are just RAVING about

~penny
"

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado

Owner/Operator of the Pekingnese Ranch.

 

[x1134x]

Shawn wrote:
> That broom manufacturer was producing an environmentally clean product
> (no pun intended), a good wage, providing health care and pensions for
> its workers, in a country that embraced free trade including a freely
> traded currency. China does not play by these same rules. With the
> help of many companies willing to exploit the "competitive" advantage
> China offers, it has tilted the playing field in its favor in a way that
> our broom manufacturer cannot legally or ethically match.

Hit the nail on the head, but called it a screw. The issue is chinese
morality vs. liberal morality, or conservative morality vs liberal
morality. In liberal morality the employer is like a "godfather" who
not only should feed the workers, but clothe them, house them, and
treat them when they're sick and support them in retirement. In
conservative morality the employee should take care of themselves with
the paycheck they recieve. If they want health insurance, buy it, if
they want retirement, save for it, if they want a house, buy it. If
they can't afford it, they shouln't require the employer to provide it,
they should require their employer to pay them more MONEY to go buy it
themselves.

This is what started the whole economical export in the first place.
many conservatives in the US, (walmart) do not believe it is right to
legislate the employer into the caretaker. So to remain legal and
profitable, the part-time workers are brought in sans benefits, and
workers from foreign countries are paid to produce the goods where
ridiculous labor laws do not exist.

> By "same resources" I assume you mean the American work force. Retrain,
> educate, have them do "thinking" sorts of jobs rather than factory
> labor. Sounds good. Those sorts of jobs pay well, are rewarding and
> have a future in the US. They also require the brighter members of the
> population. Not all hard working Americans are that bright. Matter of
> fact half are of below average intelligence, and these sorts of jobs are
> becoming more and more easily done anywhere bright people with an
> internet connection live.
> Manufacturing jobs often pay well, but aren't that intellectually taxing
> (I know, I've had one). Nevertheless, for generations they provided a
> good way of life for many Americans. Now they provide a good way of
> life for Chinese and Indians (at least for now). So what's left for the
> bottom half or two thirds of the American population (intellect wise)
> that can't compete in the global thinking job market, Wal*Mart "associate"?

Glad someone else besides me recognized our inability to cope with the
manufacturing export is an education problem not a job-export problem.
You cannot feasably keep manufacturing jobs in the US for goods we
expect to get cheaper when labor laws dicatate so much capital to the
worker for such a small amount of output. We'd be paying 50 bucks a
pair for gloves, 500 bucks a pair for shoes, and 1000 dollar pants just
to keep up the legislated lifestyle of the unionized workers.

(minimum wage laws etc make us ALL a labor union in the US)

Capitalism works if prices AND wages are flexible. It does not work
when wages are sticky.

x1134x

 

[G.T.]

"x1134x" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Capitalism works if prices AND wages are flexible. It does not work
> when wages are sticky.
>

Clearly capitalism is working just great in the oil industry:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/051027/earns_oil.html?.v=5

What happens when prices are sticky? The consumer gets screwed. But, hey,
that's the new American way, less regulation, and more corporatism ruining
the world.

Greg

 

[JD]

G.T. wrote:
> It's sociological. The cheap **** products
> get out to market, the consumer sees them and says "woohoo, I can get this
> cheap **** broom for 10 cents cheaper than this quality broom!" By the time
> the consumer realizes his piece of **** broom lasts 1/100th the time of the
> quality broom the quality broom manufacturer has gone out of business or has
> started selling expensive brooms to a niche market. Over time, the new
> generation thinks that the cheap **** brooms are the quality brooms because
> they have nothing to compare them to. The older generation remembers the
> brooms that will last a lifetime but doesn't find it necessary to educate
> the younger folk on commodity items like this.


Damn skippy, my friend. I say that even making your own stuff if you
have the knowledge and skill is even better than buying from any
commercial entity. Then again, not many people want to take the time
to create something practical for themselves, let alone others.

JD

 

[Shawn]

x1134x wrote:


> Capitalism works if prices AND wages are flexible. It does not work
> when wages are sticky.
>
> x1134x

Clueless

 

[Ride-A-Lot]

Shawn wrote:
> x1134x wrote:
>
>
>> Capitalism works if prices AND wages are flexible. It does not work
>> when wages are sticky.
>>
>> x1134x
>
> Clueless

You're just figuring that out?

--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws

 

[Shawn]

Ride-A-Lot wrote:
> Shawn wrote:
>
>> x1134x wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Capitalism works if prices AND wages are flexible. It does not work
>>> when wages are sticky.
>>>
>>> x1134x
>>
>>
>> Clueless
>
>
> You're just figuring that out?
>
Hehe, no. Just restating the obvious.

Shawn

 

[JohnH]

> I not a scum sucking union advocate either but
> there is no way I could survive without Mexican
> food, Thai food, or Chinese food.
>
> You have to draw the line somewhere.

Of which all is made in America (unless you're in the actual country of
course).

Throw Vietnamese on the list and I'm in. Mmmm... Pho....

 

[JohnH]

> I know what I'm getting when I buy a $250 LBS hardtail over a $50
> Wally World BSO.

Even though they're both still made in China

 

[x1134x]

Of course it's working great, High demand, Low supply, that's why the
prices are going UP. If they were sticky prices they would still be
less than 2 bucks a gallon. The price of gas is definately not sticky.


wages being as sticky as they are in the US, the only way for the
capitalist system to flex under it's own pressure is to look for
outside sources of employment that allow wages paid to go DOWN. Thus
the chinese workers. without the low-wage chinese workers we would
have already had another huge recession and perhaps another depression.
And without the illegal immigrant workers, our yards would look like
hell, and there would be much MUCH more use of herbicides in farming
where immigrant workers currently weed them manually.

x1134x

 

[Westie]

[email protected] wrote:
> tcmedara wrote:
>
>>>But to you, everything is about supply and demand, and every other
>>>consideration be damned.
>>>
>>>Got morals?
>>>
>>>E.P.
>>>
>>
>>Ouch, that's pretty much below the belt. I'm sure you wouldn't be so glib
>>if you knew what I did for a living....
>
>
> It doesn't matter - if supply and demand are your values, then that
> implies that there are no morals involved. Business is neither moral
> nor immoral, it's amoral.
>
>
>>Regardless, the point is that Walmart has managed to provide products that
>>people want at a price lower than everyone else.
>
>
> You have that backwards - they supply a pricepoint. The junk sold at
> that pricepoint looks an awful lot like what we are used to using,
> except that it's ****.
>
> Sort of like the BSOs there. Right?
>
>
>>If you are referring to China, then calling them the "enemy" is
>>an oversimplification of our relationship.
>
>
> It would be accurate to call them an opponent of most of what America
> stands for. That, in my book, makes them an enemy. Just as it is true
> that everyone who waves a sword is not your enemy, everyone who smiles
> is not your friend.
>
>
>>Trade policy and overall foreign
>>policy with China are interesting topics, but have very little bearing on
>>the Wal Mart issue.
>
>
> LOL. Go to a local Wally World and look for the country of origin on
> any 20 items selected completely at random.
>
>
>>The number of discounters buying goods from China far
>>exceeds what WalMart is all about.
>
>
> Walmart is but a metaphor for all the big-box stores that sell us cheap
> ****.
>
>
>>I do like your statement about low price vs low cost. That's the crux of
>>the entire problem and it's where politics and economics intersect. Price
>>is price, but cost is about value. Value is determined through the
>>political process or in the mind of the individual (depending on how you
>>view the world). On that point, I'm betting we can agree to a lot of
>>things.
>
>
> That is the prism through which I look at this particular issue. I buy
> motor oil at Wally World, but only that. It's American-made,
> thankfully. But out here in the wilds, either I buy it from Wally
> World, or I get it on-line. I don't like it, but that's the only place
> in 35 miles to get it.

Surely you travel further than that 35 miles every so often? Why not
buy bulk from another American-made store when you do come across one
that sells the products that you need? Just because there is a distance
involved doesn't lessen the fact that you aren't practising what you
preach, you 'hate' Walmart yet you purchase products from them when it
suits because there is a high cost of some kind to go elsewhere at that
moment that you want to buy those products.

Ultimately it is ENTIRELY the consumers choice where they purchase their
consumer goods and spend their money. It boils down to the fact that
the consumers may talk about hating Wal-mart but they don't give a ****
when they discover the relatively high cost and inconvenience of
shopping American-made.

No-one ever forced anyone to buy anything from Wal-mart.

Frankly I'm not worried in the slightest about americam-made because I
don't live in the States. I just think that it's a silly debate -
Americans don't HATE Wal-mart. Some might say that they do. But most
LOVE Wal-mart! The only people putting hard-working Americans out of
business are other hard-working Americans.
--
Westie

 

[[email protected]]

Westie wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > tcmedara wrote:
> >
> >
> > That is the prism through which I look at this particular issue. I buy
> > motor oil at Wally World, but only that. It's American-made,
> > thankfully. But out here in the wilds, either I buy it from Wally
> > World, or I get it on-line. I don't like it, but that's the only place
> > in 35 miles to get it.
>
> Surely you travel further than that 35 miles every so often?

Indeed. And when I do, I make it a point to make purchases that I can
not, or will not, make closer to home.

> Why not
> buy bulk from another American-made store when you do come across one
> that sells the products that you need?

I do that, but it doesn't always work out properly - predicting my
out-of-town trip frequency and the need for some seldom-used commodity
doesn't always work out 1:1.

> Just because there is a distance
> involved doesn't lessen the fact that you aren't practising what you
> preach

That's a red herring - for the most part, I do practice what I preach.
But proper maintenance of my cars trumps my philosophical dislike of
the Wally World business model.

> you 'hate' Walmart yet you purchase products

Ooops, strawman. Don't make stuff up to make your point.

> It boils down to the fact that
> the consumers may talk about hating Wal-mart but they don't give a ****
> when they discover the relatively high cost and inconvenience of
> shopping American-made.

Now you're just generally ranting.

Let's review: Mostly, I buy nothing from WalMart, even though it is
convenient and close, in addition to having decent prices on some
stuff. When I *do* buy from WalMart, it is because of practical
considerations I deem fundementally more important than my miniscule
protest.

Since I think I've spent a grand total of about $100 there in the past
10 years or so, I think I've done a fairly decent job. I *have* asked
a local auto place to stock the stuff I need, and they might actually
do it soon, FYI.

> I just think that it's a silly debate -
> Americans don't HATE Wal-mart. Some might say that they do. But most
> LOVE Wal-mart! The only people putting hard-working Americans out of
> business are other hard-working Americans.

Wow, that's a whole lot of nothing in one paragraph.

E.P.