Bill Holland and his boys make some great bikes. A friend bought a custom, Holland Exogrid frame, and it were a beautiful frame. Holland's preference, if I dismember correctly, is to do the measurements and fitting for his custom bikes in his shop. It's worth the visit. Holland is an interesting guy to talk to. As a bonus, Holland is in the same building as Joe Bell, the bicycle painting god.Ohthewheelguy said:Consider Holland Cycles for a unique approach to titanium frames. They have a great video on their website that shows how they make their frames. www.hollandcycles.com. They'll also let you demo a bike before you buy one.