Wanting feedback on Look KG361 with Centaur drivetrain, Vento wheels



Well said.

Neil Brooks for United States President! :)



"Neil Brooks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> That tacit acceptance of the worst in our characters is why useful
> contributors are ceasing to contribute.
>
> It's not that tough to be helpful. It's not that tough to refrain
> from character assassination. It's not that tough to get past the
> letter of the "rules" and abide by the spirit. It's not that tough to
> overlook issues of style and address issues ot substance in peoples'
> posts.
>
> I'd rather try--and have others try--than to "wear as a badge of honor
> the 'jungle' that Usenet is."
>
> YMMV.
> --
> Live simply so that others may simply live
 
Wow.

Next time I'll take my questions someplace else, where the kids play
nice together, and don't waste too much time getting sidetracked with
squabbles.

--M.

You're new here, aren't you?

Seriously, its really hard to say. I have 2003 Campy Chorus, which is
pretty similar to the '05 Centaur, and I think quite highly of it. It
works well, no fuss, no muss. As for the frame, my own belief is that
frame preference is highly personal and subjective, and there is always
an X-factor. I just bought a Merckx recently that I'd been lusting
after for years. Rides nice, but its brake bridge it too low for 25mm
tires, which wasn't the case with other bikes of that model.

My point is that if you can, ride it. Ride it as much as you can before
buying it. The Look frames are, by all accounts, very well crafted, 3
people on our team have them & quite like them. Instead of the campy
wheels, I'd probably have some wheels handmade by a reputable builder,
centaur hubs/velocity aerohead wheels, 32 spokes, just b/c they should
be more durable, but I haven't had any problems with my Campy Proton
wheels, either.

In short, it should be a fine bike, but whether it will be a FINE bike
won't be knowable until your posterior has checked it out itself.

HTH,
matt.
 
I bought a Look KG241 off of the internet. I read a report that
compared the Time and the Look bikes and the Look was supposedly very
inferior to the Time. So I wasn't expecting much and just bought it
because it was cheap and because it would make a good winter beater.
The Look fork was missing and in it's place was an Easton EC70 fork.
I'm familiar with this and have talked about it here before as I put
one on my Colnago Super and it completely transformed the bike from a
scary riding pig into a great ride.

Well, the Look arrived and looked better than a new bike. The original
owner left in the BB, the Ultegra cranks, the headset and stem and the
Look seat post. I put it together with Dura Ace bar end shifters and
derailleurs and mostly medium grade components.

I've ridden it over 200 miles now and I've got to tell you that I
couldn't want a better riding bike. No discernable flex. No vibrations
or noises.

Going very fast on the bike it handles almost perfectly. I had to keep
looking down at the speedometer to believe that I was going 30 through
some chicanes. The bike was rock solid and felt like it was going 10
mph slower. At nearly 40 it still felt the same.

I assume that the rest of the Look bikes ride like this.
 
Tom Kunich wrote:
> I bought a Look KG241 off of the internet. I read a report that
> compared the Time and the Look bikes and the Look was supposedly very
> inferior to the Time. So I wasn't expecting much and just bought it
> because it was cheap and because it would make a good winter beater.
> The Look fork was missing and in it's place was an Easton EC70 fork.
> I'm familiar with this and have talked about it here before as I put
> one on my Colnago Super and it completely transformed the bike from a
> scary riding pig into a great ride.
>
> Well, the Look arrived and looked better than a new bike. The original
> owner left in the BB, the Ultegra cranks, the headset and stem and the
> Look seat post. I put it together with Dura Ace bar end shifters and
> derailleurs and mostly medium grade components.
>
> I've ridden it over 200 miles now and I've got to tell you that I
> couldn't want a better riding bike. No discernable flex. No vibrations
> or noises.
>
> Going very fast on the bike it handles almost perfectly. I had to keep
> looking down at the speedometer to believe that I was going 30 through
> some chicanes. The bike was rock solid and felt like it was going 10
> mph slower. At nearly 40 it still felt the same.
>
> I assume that the rest of the Look bikes ride like this.

{sarcams mode on}

Discussing a bike like this has no place in rec.bicycles.misc.

{sarcams mode off}

:p
 
Marc Riehm wrote:
> I'm looking for any comments that folks out there might have on a road
> bike that I am considering purchasing.
>
> It is a new Look KG361 with Centaur drivetrain and brakes. Likely it
> will have Campy Vento wheels, although I may possibly upgrade to
> Scirocco. Seatpost, handlebars, seat etc. should be "decent", according
> to the vendor.
>
> The price is ~2500 CAD (approx 2140 USD at current conversion rate).
>
> Any comments would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks, --Marc Riehm, [email protected]

If it fits you, a good deal. We have sold a few of these and they are
nice riding frames. $1600 frame and fork so $2140US is a good deal.
 
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:09:09 +0200, "Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Let's imagine he asked : "I want to race, and I heard a KG 361 is a good
> >race bike - what do you think?"
>
> That's for rec.bicycles.tech.
>
> >He won't get stuck with useless information from people who figure that bars
> >should stand above saddles ...
>
> The point is not what is best for one guy. It's what is best for the
> groups as a whole. That's fundamental.
>
> JT
>

Balderdahs...this is about 'BICYCLES' afterall, toys, not heart lung
machines or dialysis machines. BICYCLES....geeez, lighten up.
 
Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:09:09 +0200, "Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Let's imagine he asked : "I want to race, and I heard a KG 361 is a
>>> good race bike - what do you think?"
>>
>> That's for rec.bicycles.tech.
>>
>>> He won't get stuck with useless information from people who figure
>>> that bars should stand above saddles ...
>>
>> The point is not what is best for one guy. It's what is best for the
>> groups as a whole. That's fundamental.
>>
>> JT
>>
>
> Balderdahs...this is about 'BICYCLES' afterall, toys, not heart lung
> machines or dialysis machines. BICYCLES....geeez, lighten up.

TYVM.
 
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:45:05 GMT, Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:
>Jasper Janssen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:18:47 -0400, Marc Riehm <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Next time I'll take my questions someplace else, where the kids play
>>>nice together, and don't waste too much time getting sidetracked with
>>>squabbles.
>>
>>Then don't friggin come to usenet, a webforum, or for that matter the
>>internet.
>
>Ol' Thomas Hoobs once described man as "poor, nasty, brutish, and
>short."

Actually, that was *life*. Otherwise the 'short' makes no sense.

>That tacit acceptance of the worst in our characters is why useful
>contributors are ceasing to contribute.

>It's not that tough to be helpful. It's not that tough to refrain
>from character assassination. It's not that tough to get past the
>letter of the "rules" and abide by the spirit. It's not that tough to
>overlook issues of style and address issues ot substance in peoples'
>posts.

Overlooking issues of style is what leads to the decay of particular
groups, in my experience. Topposting, lack of capitalisation, and other
style issues make a group hard to read, which is not a problem for someone
asking a siongle question but is a problem for regulars.

>I'd rather try--and have others try--than to "wear as a badge of honor
>the 'jungle' that Usenet is."

I didn't say any of what you're implying. What I *am* saying is that
'getting sidetracked with squabbles' is inherent in any threaded,
asynchronous forum like usenet.

Jasper
 
Bill Sornson wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:09:09 +0200, "Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Let's imagine he asked : "I want to race, and I heard a KG 361 is a
> >>> good race bike - what do you think?"
> >>
> >> That's for rec.bicycles.tech.
> >>
> >>> He won't get stuck with useless information from people who figure
> >>> that bars should stand above saddles ...
> >>
> >> The point is not what is best for one guy. It's what is best for the
> >> groups as a whole. That's fundamental.
> >>
> >> JT
> >>
> >
> > Balderdahs...this is about 'BICYCLES' afterall, toys, not heart lung
> > machines or dialysis machines. BICYCLES....geeez, lighten up.
>
> TYVM.

"TYVM"???

Toys You Value...Men!!!(?)
 
On 29 Oct 2005 07:44:31 -0700, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Bill Sornson wrote:

>> TYVM.
>
>"TYVM"???
>
>Toys You Value...Men!!!(?)

Thank you very much.

Jasper
 
> This belongs in rec.bicycles.tech, not rbracing or rbmisc.

I don't have a problem with his post. I found it useful.
 
<Read the FAQ. It's clear.

FAQs are as useless as the bandwith they're written on.
 
<Next time I'll take my questions someplace else, where the kids play
nice together, and don't waste too much time getting sidetracked with
<squabbles.

Sorry about the ignorance here Mark. Feel free to make tech posts here
anytime.
 
hmm.....i'll try to remember that

<Overlooking issues of style is what leads to the decay of particular
groups, in my experience. Topposting, lack of capitalisation, and other
style issues make a group hard to read, which is not a problem for someone
asking a siongle question but is a problem for regulars.
 
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:36:23 -0700, "Adam Grolier" <[email protected]>
wrote:

I wrote:
>>Overlooking issues of style is what leads to the decay of particular
>>groups, in my experience. Topposting, lack of capitalisation, and other
>>style issues make a group hard to read, which is not a problem for someone
>>asking a siongle question but is a problem for regulars.

>hmm.....i'll try to remember that

Yeah, like that. Welcome to the killfile.

Jasper
 

> > Read the FAQ. It's clear.

FAQs, frequently asked questions often have 'FWA', frequently wrong
answers.

This NG is no different.
 
Carl Dithers wrote:
> WE HAD A GUY NAMED JASPER LIVED AROUND HERE ONCE. HE WAS INBRED! ARE
> PARENTS NAMING THEIR KIDS WITH SUCH STUPID NAMES FOR A REASON?
>
> "Jasper Janssen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:p[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:36:23 -0700, "Adam Grolier" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I wrote:
>>>> Overlooking issues of style is what leads to the decay of
>>>> particular groups, in my experience. Topposting, lack of
>>>> capitalisation, and other style issues make a group hard to read,
>>>> which is not a problem for someone asking a siongle question but
>>>> is a problem for regulars.

Well, Jasper, you can't say he didn't capitalize!

(20-1 that ol' "Carl Dithers" isn't around in a week. Takers?)
 
Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:

>>> Read the FAQ. It's clear.

> FAQs, frequently asked questions often have 'FWA', frequently wrong
> answers.

> This NG is no different.

JFTR, this was posted as a reply to me, and I did NOT write the top-most
quote. (In fact, I took issue with it, too.)

Bill "pressing matters of great concern" S.
 
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:58:24 GMT, "Bill Sornson"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Carl Dithers wrote:
>> WE HAD A GUY NAMED JASPER LIVED AROUND HERE ONCE. HE WAS INBRED! ARE
>> PARENTS NAMING THEIR KIDS WITH SUCH STUPID NAMES FOR A REASON?
>>
>> "Jasper Janssen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:p[email protected]...
>>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:36:23 -0700, "Adam Grolier" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wrote:
>>>>> Overlooking issues of style is what leads to the decay of
>>>>> particular groups, in my experience. Topposting, lack of
>>>>> capitalisation, and other style issues make a group hard to read,
>>>>> which is not a problem for someone asking a siongle question but
>>>>> is a problem for regulars.
>
>Well, Jasper, you can't say he didn't capitalize!
>
>(20-1 that ol' "Carl Dithers" isn't around in a week. Takers?)
>

I think there may be a connection between Carl, Adam, and Gene Long.
Maybe someone with some computer expertise can check it out.

Either way, it all seems to be an unoriginal, immature attempt at
trolling. If we don't feed them/it, I'm sure boredom will quickly set
in.

Jeff
 
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