Warmed Stone Massage ???



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Wayne Cattanach

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I am not a therapist - but my wife and I are starting to enjoy Warmed Stone Massage together - we
have the stones . .heater and all that but in looking to expand our knowledge in the area find
several . .directions of use of this massage technique - just asking others what their favorite
techniques are and if that information is available either in print or video - Thanks In Advance
 
Speaking strictly from a novice perspective here. I have received two different types of treatment
with hot stones. The first was more traditional, where stones of varying sizes and shapes were
placed on or around my body at trigger points. It was interesting, although not terribly satisfying.

While I can appreciate the concept, I much prefer a more active approach, which is what the second
treatment was. In this case, the therapist used the stones as an extention of a more traditional
Swedish massage. In conjunction with her hands, she used the stones as tools, applying oil and
rubbing across muscles, along with placing along various points of my body. The end result was very
satisfying for me. The combination of sensations was very refreshing.

"Wayne Cattanach" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am not a therapist - but my wife and I are starting to enjoy Warmed Stone Massage together - we
> have the stones . .heater and all that but in looking to expand our knowledge in the area find
> several . .directions of use of this massage technique - just asking others what their favorite
> techniques are and if that information is available either in print or video - Thanks In Advance
 
It's all bull ****. Any warm item will work the same.
"Wayne Cattanach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am not a therapist - but my wife and I are starting to
> enjoy Warmed
Stone
> Massage together - we have the stones . .heater and all
> that but in
looking
> to expand our knowledge in the area find several .
> .directions of use of this massage technique - just asking
> others what their favorite techniques are and if that
> information is available either in print or video - Thanks
> In Advance
 
THE ITEM SHOULD PROBABLY BE JUST AS DENSE, HEAVY, AND
SIMILAR COMPOSITION THOUGH TO BOTH HOLD AND TRANSFER THE
TEMPERATURE TO THE BODY ON CONTACT I'M THINKIN?

MJ "bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It's all bull ****. Any warm item will work the same.
> "Wayne Cattanach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I am not a therapist - but my wife and I are starting to
> > enjoy Warmed
> Stone
> > Massage together - we have the stones . .heater and all
> > that but in
> looking
> > to expand our knowledge in the area find several .
> > .directions of use
of
> > this massage technique - just asking others what their
> > favorite
techniques
> > are and if that information is available either in print
> > or video - Thanks In Advance
> >
>
 
Mj Hess wrote:
>
> THE ITEM SHOULD PROBABLY BE JUST AS DENSE, HEAVY, AND
> SIMILAR COMPOSITION THOUGH TO BOTH HOLD AND TRANSFER THE
> TEMPERATURE TO THE BODY ON CONTACT I'M THINKIN?

Check your caps lock, dear....

sue
 
"suzee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mj Hess wrote:
> >
> > THE ITEM SHOULD PROBABLY BE JUST AS DENSE, HEAVY, AND
> > SIMILAR
COMPOSITION
> > THOUGH TO BOTH HOLD AND TRANSFER THE TEMPERATURE TO THE
> > BODY ON CONTACT
I'M
> > THINKIN?
>
> Check your caps lock, dear....
>
> sue

lol

to the comment that using stones is '********' and that any
hot item will work. Certain stones are used because they
retain the heat well and because energetically they hold
energy from the earth that is ancient. It is not ********.

T
 
i just checked it.. oops hang on.. THERE IT GOES.. lol
"suzee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mj Hess wrote:
> >
> > THE ITEM SHOULD PROBABLY BE JUST AS DENSE, HEAVY, AND
> > SIMILAR
COMPOSITION
> > THOUGH TO BOTH HOLD AND TRANSFER THE TEMPERATURE TO THE
> > BODY ON CONTACT
I'M
> > THINKIN?
>
> Check your caps lock, dear....
>
> sue
 
OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
are used because they retain heat well. This is a
reasonable belief.

What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
therapies based on their "energy" qualities.

There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
relative to gravity.

Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough of
that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing. Heat,
or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is enjoyable
about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our skin is
pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up some rays
is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's just heat.

Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is made
of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes of the
massage business.

If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
and the heat.

Ben

Tiffany wrote:

> to the comment that using stones is '********' and that
> any hot item will work. Certain stones are used because
> they retain the heat well and because energetically they
> hold energy from the earth that is ancient. It is not
> ********.
>
> T
 
"Tiffany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> lol
>
> to the comment that using stones is '********' and that
> any hot item will work. Certain stones are used because
> they retain the heat well and
because
> energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
> ancient. It is not ********.
>
> T
>
>
But you gotta admit it HAS to get you more customers than if
you offered a "hot potato" massage. <g
 
So you don't believe in traditional Chinese medicine? And
what is with calling folks who do believe in 'energy'
nutcases? If that is what someone believes, that is truth to
them and it will make them feel good. Calling someone a
nutcase sure won't help ANY massage practice.

Insulting surely isn't going to prove your point.

Tiffany

"Ben Dover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
> are used because they retain heat well. This is a
> reasonable belief.
>
> What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
> therapies based on their "energy" qualities.
>
> There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
> transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
> potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
> relative to gravity.
>
> Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
> squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
> is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough
> of that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing.
> Heat, or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is
> enjoyable about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our
> skin is pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up
> some rays is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's
> just heat.
>
> Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is
> made of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes
> of the massage business.
>
> If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
> market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
> massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
> and the heat.
>
> Ben
>
>
> Tiffany wrote:
>
> > to the comment that using stones is '********' and that
> > any hot item
will
> > work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
> > heat well and
because
> > energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
> > ancient. It is not ********.
> >
> > T
> >
 
And since I see you were one of the folks to reply to me
about Cancer/Massage......

the client I refer to is a breast cancer survivor. She now
has bone cancer. She believes immensely that the reason she
was able to survive breast cancer and cancer as a whole for
as long as she has was due to the Reiki her husband did with
her. Is she a nutcase?

T "Ben Dover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
> are used because they retain heat well. This is a
> reasonable belief.
>
> What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
> therapies based on their "energy" qualities.
>
> There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
> transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
> potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
> relative to gravity.
>
> Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
> squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
> is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough
> of that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing.
> Heat, or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is
> enjoyable about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our
> skin is pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up
> some rays is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's
> just heat.
>
> Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is
> made of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes
> of the massage business.
>
> If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
> market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
> massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
> and the heat.
>
> Ben
>
>
> Tiffany wrote:
>
> > to the comment that using stones is '********' and that
> > any hot item
will
> > work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
> > heat well and
because
> > energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
> > ancient. It is not ********.
> >
> > T
> >
 
<There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
relative to gravity.>

Tell that to the Hawaiians; they won't believe it.

Aren't quartz crystals used in electronics?

Are things like Lourdes water or religious items such as
relics from saints and other holy people, even dirt from
their graves, that help humans and animals heal
nonsense, too?

<If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
and the heat.>

Because there is more to it than the eye can see; that's
what metaphysical means.

You may not remember that at one time acupuncture was looked
down on in the U.S. because it was unfamiliar even though
Asians used it successfully for years and it was used to
heal animals (no placebo effect there). Now the medical
community has wholly embraced having needles stuck into skin
to relieve pain and increase circulation.

BTW, are these the same "reasonables" who have their tea
leaves read or consult a dream book for a lucky number or
avoid walking under a ladder or throw salt over the left
shoulder after spilling it, etc., etc.?

Take a Reiki class and you'll see.

LK

http://www.icdc.com/~drkelly/chiropractorphiladelphia803.htm
________________________

Know that it is not all just to live--not all just to be
good, but good for something; that ye may fulfill that
purpose for which ye have entered this experience. Edgar
Cayce Reading 2030-1

"Ben Dover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
> are used because they retain heat well. This is a
> reasonable belief.
>
> What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
> therapies based on their "energy" qualities.
>
> There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
> transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
> potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
> relative to gravity.
>
> Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
> squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
> is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough
> of that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing.
> Heat, or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is
> enjoyable about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our
> skin is pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up
> some rays is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's
> just heat.
>
> Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is
> made of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes
> of the massage business.
>
> If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
> market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
> massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
> and the heat.
>
> Ben
>
>
> Tiffany wrote:
>
> > to the comment that using stones is '********' and that
> > any hot item
will
> > work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
> > heat well and
because
> > energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
> > ancient. It is not ********.
> >
> > T
> >
 
Ben Dover wrote:
>
> OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
> are used because they retain heat well. This is a
> reasonable belief.
>
> What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
> therapies based on their "energy" qualities.
>
> There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
> transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
> potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
> relative to gravity.

I talked to a geologist friend of mine who said that one can
measure the electrical resistance of rocks.

So as some are better or worse conductors of electricity,
and as the body has a bio-electric system, they may
facilitate the flow within in the receiver's body, and from
the giver to the receiver.

sue
 
George! I was just gonna write and see where you went? I
miss your posts!

Mj "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tiffany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > lol
> >
> > to the comment that using stones is '********' and that
> > any hot item
will
> > work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
> > heat well and
> because
> > energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
> > ancient. It is not ********.
> >
> > T
> >
> >
> But you gotta admit it HAS to get you more customers than
> if you offered a "hot potato" massage. <g
 
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tiffany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > lol
> >
> > to the comment that using stones is '********' and that
> > any hot item
will
> > work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
> > heat well and
> because
> > energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
> > ancient. It is not ********.
> >
> > T
> >
> >
> But you gotta admit it HAS to get you more customers than
> if you offered a "hot potato" massage. <g>
>
>

Ohh... hot potato.... wouldn't that possibly get mushy
though? lol

t
 
An interesting question. Is she a nutcase? No, she's a
person who is desperate for hope and will buy anything that
anyone offers as a cure or otherwise regarding her efforts
to cling to her precious life.

What I'm annoyed with is massage therapists trying to sell
magic and mystery to clients. Whether someone wants to
irrationally choose to believe in magic and mystery is a
separate topic.

Still, there's no law against selling snake oil to desperate
people unless the line of fraud is crossed. Fortunately, or
unfortunately, language is amorphous enough in it's
constructs to allow people to sell snake oil without
crossing the line, legally.

If your client feels that ancient energies from other
universes have helped her through her trials and
tribulations, then more power to her! Side note: I don't
think my original reply was directed at your client.

Ben

Tiffany wrote:
> And since I see you were one of the folks to reply to me
> about Cancer/Massage......
>
> the client I refer to is a breast cancer survivor. She now
> has bone cancer. She believes immensely that the reason
> she was able to survive breast cancer and cancer as a
> whole for as long as she has was due to the Reiki her
> husband did with her. Is she a nutcase?
>
> T "Ben Dover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
>>are used because they retain heat well. This is a
>>reasonable belief.
>>
>>What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
>>therapies based on their "energy" qualities.
>>
>>There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
>>transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
>>potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
>>relative to gravity.
>>
>>Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
>>squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
>>is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough
>>of that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing.
>>Heat, or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is
>>enjoyable about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our
>>skin is pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up
>>some rays is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's
>>just heat.
>>
>>Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is
>>made of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes
>>of the massage business.
>>
>>If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
>>market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
>>massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
>>and the heat.
>>
>>Ben
>>
>>
>>Tiffany wrote:
>>
>>
>>>to the comment that using stones is '********' and that
>>>any hot item
>
> will
>
>>>work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
>>>heat well and
>
> because
>
>>>energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
>>>ancient. It is not ********.
>>>
>>>T
>>>
>>>
>>
 
Let's stick to my message. I have acknowledged that
anything, an idea, a can of water labeled as a homeopathic
remedy, a rock from someone's yard, can make the "client"
feel better if that's what the client wants to believe.

That doesn't mean that it is acceptable to sell falsehoods
to desperate people. Massage therapy all by itself is a
truthful service when offered for what it is, touch that
feels good. It doesn't need magical mystical healing energy
illusions to have value.

Sell it for what it is, touch that feels good. Leave the
witchcraft to the island voodoo doctors.

Ben

L Kelly, DC wrote:
> <There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
> transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
> potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
> relative to gravity.>
>
> Tell that to the Hawaiians; they won't believe it.
>
> Aren't quartz crystals used in electronics?
>
> Are things like Lourdes water or religious items such as
> relics from saints and other holy people, even dirt from
> their graves, that help humans and animals heal
> nonsense, too?
>
> <If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
> market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
> massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
> and the heat.>
>
> Because there is more to it than the eye can see; that's
> what metaphysical means.
>
> You may not remember that at one time acupuncture was
> looked down on in the U.S. because it was unfamiliar even
> though Asians used it successfully for years and it was
> used to heal animals (no placebo effect there). Now the
> medical community has wholly embraced having needles stuck
> into skin to relieve pain and increase circulation.
>
> BTW, are these the same "reasonables" who have their tea
> leaves read or consult a dream book for a lucky number or
> avoid walking under a ladder or throw salt over the left
> shoulder after spilling it, etc., etc.?
>
> Take a Reiki class and you'll see.
>
> LK
>
>
> http://www.icdc.com/~drkelly/chiropractorphiladelphi-
> a803.htm
> ________________________
>
> Know that it is not all just to live--not all just to be
> good, but good for something; that ye may fulfill that
> purpose for which ye have entered this experience. Edgar
> Cayce Reading 2030-1
>
>
> "Ben Dover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
>>are used because they retain heat well. This is a
>>reasonable belief.
>>
>>What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
>>therapies based on their "energy" qualities.
>>
>>There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
>>transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
>>potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
>>relative to gravity.
>>
>>Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
>>squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
>>is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough
>>of that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing.
>>Heat, or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is
>>enjoyable about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our
>>skin is pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up
>>some rays is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's
>>just heat.
>>
>>Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is
>>made of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes
>>of the massage business.
>>
>>If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
>>market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
>>massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
>>and the heat.
>>
>>Ben
>>
>>
>>Tiffany wrote:
>>
>>
>>>to the comment that using stones is '********' and that
>>>any hot item
>
> will
>
>>>work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
>>>heat well and
>
> because
>
>>>energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
>>>ancient. It is not ********.
>>>
>>>T
>>>
>>>
>>
 
I find that wrapping my head in tinfoil and aiming the
remote control at my temples (especially channel 3) gets rid
of my migraines..lol ..but what does all this have to do
with massage????

"suzee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ben Dover wrote:
> >
> > OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain
> > stones are used because they retain heat well. This is a
> > reasonable belief.
> >
> > What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
> > therapies based on their "energy" qualities.
> >
> > There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can
> > be transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
> > potential energy related to mass and hardness and
> > position relative to gravity.
>
> I talked to a geologist friend of mine who said that one
> can measure the electrical resistance of rocks.
>
> So as some are better or worse conductors of electricity,
> and as the body has a bio-electric system, they may
> facilitate the flow within in the receiver's body, and
> from the giver to the receiver.
>
> sue
 
"suzee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ben Dover wrote:
> >
> > OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain
> > stones are used because they retain heat well. This is a
> > reasonable belief.
> >
> > What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
> > therapies based on their "energy" qualities.
> >
> > There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can
> > be transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
> > potential energy related to mass and hardness and
> > position relative to gravity.
>
> I talked to a geologist friend of mine who said that one
> can measure the electrical resistance of rocks.
>
> So as some are better or worse conductors of electricity,
> and as the body has a bio-electric system, they may
> facilitate the flow within in the receiver's body, and
> from the giver to the receiver.
>
> sue

Very true Sue. As a practitioner of Warm/Hot Stone massage,
among other modalities, I find it's a good treatment but
that the "energy" aspect is often hyped up too much. Now
before anyone tells me that energy work is effective...I
know that. I'm a Reiki Master and do energy work. With that
said I find that the stones do vary somewhat in energy
potential, but that the energy is not so much an "ancient
energy". What I believe is.....the stones are a focus point
for the therapists energy as well as a heat (energy) source.
This also goes to another post in this thread that points
out that quartz crystals used in watches and clocks have
energy....actually a small charge is run through the
crystals to get them to vibrate at their particular
frequency which is measured as a standard reference. The
point? The energy in Warm/Hot Stone massage is primarily
that of the therapist and most people are so disconnected
from their bodies they don't usually notice it consciously.

Ben Crabtree, RMT, MTI, CNMT San Antonio, Texas
http://massagebyben.vze.com
 
"Ben Dover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> An interesting question. Is she a nutcase? No, she's a
> person who is desperate for hope and will buy anything
> that anyone offers as a cure or otherwise regarding her
> efforts to cling to her precious life.
>
> What I'm annoyed with is massage therapists trying to sell
> magic and mystery to clients. Whether someone wants to
> irrationally choose to believe in magic and mystery is a
> separate topic.
>
> Still, there's no law against selling snake oil to
> desperate people unless the line of fraud is crossed.
> Fortunately, or unfortunately, language is amorphous
> enough in it's constructs to allow people to sell snake
> oil without crossing the line, legally.
>
> If your client feels that ancient energies from other
> universes have helped her through her trials and
> tribulations, then more power to her! Side note: I don't
> think my original reply was directed at your client.
>
> Ben
>
>

I was using her as an example, I know you weren't directing
anything to her.

T