Ben & Tiffany & all, It has been interesting reading this
thread. Energy vs. "reality" is truly an interesting topic.
In reality, I think you may be speaking about Newtonian
Physics (the world is mechanical and can be explained
logically) vs Quantum Physics (we don't understand the
mechanism by which things interrelate -- i.e.: Are memories
in the brain? We can detect them but is there an explanation
for the energy pathways of the body (meridians)? can we
share dreams? is there really a collective conscious that
can be accessed? are we all really "one" after all? Why does
the observer affect the outcome?). It is difficult to talk
about energy and Quantum Physics because no one really
totally understands Quantum Physics (certainly I don't)-- we
just aren't there yet. There is a measurable energy force
called the Zero Point Field (ZPF)-- that is, there is no
such thing as a vacuum or nothingness. When temperatures are
reduced to "absolute zero, the lowest possible energy state,
where all matter has been removed and nothing is supposedly
left to make motion," . . ." fluctuations are still
measurable." (Lynne McTaggart -- "The Field") Scientists
have known about ZPF for a long time but simply cancelled it
out of their calculations as a nuisance. But we don't have
the final word. Science has studied ZPF since the 80's and
there are tremendous numbers of scientific studies (related
in the book mentioned above with nearly 20 pages of
bibliographies). Why do we "feel" people walk up behind us
or "know" someone is watching us or have "hunches" that are
right on the money or simply "know" certain things? Why did
four remotely placed Random Event Generators (computers
generating random zeros and ones at a billions/min. rate)
"spike" at the reading of the OJ Simpson verdict? Is any of
that "real"?
I am a Board Certified Reflexologist -- not a massage
therapist. I touch people for a living and find it
interesting that people who are in the business of touch
are still in doubt about the presence of "energy". I would
hope that the touch modalities would be well trained in
centeredness, the emotional, spiritual and psychological
manifestations of touch -- haven't we seen clients "break
down" in emotional/psycological release from the power of
the healing session whatever form that may take? Couldn't
we call that energy? Are we afraid that someone will think
we are snake oil salesmen if we admit that we don't
understand everything and allow their belief systems in
tact? Do practitioner egos serve a pupose within a session
focused on another's wellness? Do we even understand how
touch therapies work or have we taken the most apparent
easy answer?
It is with a loving kindness that I ask these questions. I
simply ask that we consider that there is more than we can
understand. Maybe the rocks have an "energy" that only our
client can feel -- then why not allow the concept to survive
-- especially since we don't really know anyway?
It's all good. David
Tiffany wrote:
> "Ben Dover" <
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> > First things first. What insults? Are you referring to
> > my original use of the word nutcase? I'm sorry that you
> > were offended by the word. Words are powerful, but I'm
> > tired of political correctness. So when I think someone
> > is a nutcase for believing in the healing power of rock
> > energy, then that's what I say.
>
> So then if a client wants energy work, I hope they don't
> come to you as you will have to call them as you see
> it.... a nutcase.
> >
> > Second, I love how you assume that I'm an unread person
> > based on my being in disagreement with what you believe.
> > Do you believe everything you read? I don't.
>
> I didn't say you are unread.... I imagine you haven't read
> every book published though. I believe legitamite
> writings, yes. These books aren't articles in the
> newspaper. You must be believing something you read to be
> anti anything energy related. How do you know what you
> read is true? It is your belief and that is fine. What
> isn't fine, IMP, is insulting those who think different
> then you. The insults are using nutcase, calling it voddoo
> and I am sure I could dig a few more up, were I to re-read
> your posts. There is also the comment of just smile and
> humor clients and give them what they want.
>
> >
> > Lastly, an anecdote. I had a coworker who was a sad
> > angry lesbian searching for acceptance and validation.
> > She pursued a sense of self through body modification
> > and alternative medicine. In spite of all her efforts to
> > find truth in the alternative lifestyle choices (not
> > calling lesbian a choice), she remains a sad angry
> > lesbian (lesbian is how she defines herself). I was
> > thoroughly amused one evening as she devoutly tells me
> > of her understanding of the quantum mechanics of
> > homeopathic medicine. The amusement came from knowing
> > that she is merely regurgitating dogma as presented by
> > others in spite of her never taking a math course beyond
> > pre-algebra and never taking a chemistry or physics
> > course even in high school, let alone college.
>
> This is unrelated to anything I have been disgussing. You
> bring up an angry
> speaking of homeopathic medicine. So if one hasn't taken
> enough college, they should not speak about things that
> interest them?
>
> >
> > There is damage to be done to others by people who
> > follow alternative dogmas blindly and ignorantly. If
> > someone asks for a rock energy treatment, smile,
> > humor them,
>
> I don't treat my clients with such disregard that I will
> 'humor' them and just give them what they want.
>
> and give them what they want, but don't
> > tell them it has ancient energy that will cure them.
>
> I don't ever tell anyone I am curing them. I can assure
> you that most MT's stick to that rule also, if they are
> ethical.
>
> It's fraudulent.
> > Let them decide what works and what doesn't. You have so
> > much to offer with swedish and deeper pressure massage
> > techniques and yoga, don't spoil it with voodoo. If you
> > really want to help, have your clients improve their
> > flexibility through yoga and massage (real massage),
> > their aerobic fitness, their strength, their body image
> > through reduced caloric intake while maintaining
> > balanced nutrition, and their self esteem through
> > positive affirming comments and acknowledgment of
> successes.
>
> You assume that we don't take an approuch like that?
>
> Just know that there is scientific prove of energy and
> pathways in the body. The cellular makeup in those area's
> are different, the fascial is different, ect. Using
> machines, one can find acupoints in the body, due to the
> energy. These machines aren't voddoo..... they are the
> same machines a mechanic could use to test the electrical
> current.
>
> T
> >
> > Ben
