Wearing a helmet puts cyclists at risk, suggests research

[Duracell Bunny]

Tamyka Bell wrote:
> cfsmtb wrote:
>> DeF Wrote:
>>> The obvious solution is to dress as a woman and wear an
>>> invisible helmet.
>>>
>>> Now, where's my prosthetic ****?
>>>
>>>
>> Sorry lads, I don't get noticed either. With notable exceptions for
>> young spotty males who probably haven't seen a female for awhile. Or
>> ever.
>
> I don't think I used to get much notice when I rode with my
> long hair streaming out behind me... but now that I've cut
> it short, I definitely have more losers screaming "***" at
> me, and trying to run me off the road.
>
> T
OOO - I've never had that one! They clearly don't look before they yell

--
Karen

"Sometimes I think I have a Guardian Idiot - a little invisible spirit just
behind my shoulder, looking out for me ... only he's an imbecile" - Jake Stonebender

 

[Tamyka Bell]

Duracell Bunny wrote:
>
> Tamyka Bell wrote:
> > cfsmtb wrote:
> >> DeF Wrote:
> >>> The obvious solution is to dress as a woman and wear an
> >>> invisible helmet.
> >>>
> >>> Now, where's my prosthetic ****?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Sorry lads, I don't get noticed either. With notable exceptions for
> >> young spotty males who probably haven't seen a female for awhile. Or
> >> ever.
> >
> > I don't think I used to get much notice when I rode with my
> > long hair streaming out behind me... but now that I've cut
> > it short, I definitely have more losers screaming "***" at
> > me, and trying to run me off the road.
> >
> > T
> OOO - I've never had that one! They clearly don't look before they yell

I blame it on my very intimidating Quadzilla look, completed
with add-on bicep Guns!

T

 

[DeF]

Plodder wrote:
>

<-- SNIP -->


>>
>> I thought this research was interesting and unlike too much
>> of psychological research, repeatable and quantifiable.
>>
>> The obvious solution is to dress as a woman and wear an
>> invisible helmet.
>>
>> Now, where's my prosthetic ****?
>>
>> DeF
>>
>> --
>> e-mail: d.farrow@your finger.murdoch.edu.au
>> To reply, you'll have to remove your finger.
>
> Love the way scientific types think that repeatability and quantifiability
> makes things more valid. Stitching neat little hems around the world when we
> seem to spend most of our lives playing in the frayed, tatty bits.
>
> A great example - show me a scientific/mathematic explanation (not a
> description) of the process of riding a bike...
>
> Hmmm - maybe we should have this dicussion at Walter's. I'm on campus at
> Murdoch in a couple of weeks. Want a coffee?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank
>
>

Well, we're getting away from cycling here but...us scientific types
use repeatability etc. to distinguish between what we know and we
don't. There might be things we *believe* to be true but we can't
know them with certainty. History is littered with fervently
held beliefs that do not hold up to even a cursory scientific
examination. In fact, the present and foreseeable future it also
littered with ludicrous ideas. Astrology, palmistry, phrenology,
iridology, alien abductions, economic rationalism to name just
a few. There is a good, easily read and informative book on this
stuff called "How to think about weird things" by Theodore Schick
and Lewis Vaughn. I like the section on how people use poor
arguments like "false dichotomy" and "appeals to authority" to support
their flawed notions.

I usually avoid getting into arguments about this sort of stuff.
My experience is that after you've rebutted all the lousy arguments,
explained all the evidence, ie thoroughly debunked some inane notion,
you get a statement along the lines "Oh well, I believe it anyway"
which cannot be argued with - it's the final indication that you are
not dealing with a rational person.

Now, as to process of riding a bike, do you mean an "explanation" of the
physics involved? Check out "Bicycling Science" by David Gordon Wilson,
a not (in my view) particularly accessible book on the physics etc of
cycling. Still, it's the only one I know of. Interestingly, the
physics of riding a bike are much simpler than that of walking. It's
relatively easy to build a robot (machine) that can ride a bike but not
so easy to build one that walks. In fact, it's easier to build a robot
that hops.

DeF

--
e-mail: d.farrow@your finger.murdoch.edu.au
To reply, you'll have to remove your finger.

 

[eddiec]

Well, this research just got coverage in the Age - http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/helmeted-cyclists-at-greater-risk-study/2006/09/14/1157827073246.html

Although it appears to have only got up in relation to the James Gould incident and the cycling-cycle in the media it created...

 

[cfsmtb]

Although it appears to have only got up in relation to the James Gould incident and the cycling-cycle in the media it created...

File next to that other media perennial "cycling-creates-impotence" myth.

 

[eddiec]

File next to that other media perennial "cycling-creates-impotence" myth.

why not combine the 2 and get "cycling-in-drag-creates-impotence" myth?? Now that's news!

 

[cfsmtb]

why not combine the 2 and get "cycling-in-drag-creates-impotence" myth?? Now that's news!

That could potentially ******** at least two cyclists I know. Don't know if the rest of you wish to 'fess up though.

 

[Resound]

"Duracell Bunny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tamyka Bell wrote:
>> cfsmtb wrote:
>>> DeF Wrote:
>>>> The obvious solution is to dress as a woman and wear an
>>>> invisible helmet.
>>>>
>>>> Now, where's my prosthetic ****?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sorry lads, I don't get noticed either. With notable exceptions for
>>> young spotty males who probably haven't seen a female for awhile. Or
>>> ever.
>>
>> I don't think I used to get much notice when I rode with my
>> long hair streaming out behind me... but now that I've cut
>> it short, I definitely have more losers screaming "***" at
>> me, and trying to run me off the road.
>>
>> T
> OOO - I've never had that one! They clearly don't look before they yell
>
I believe cfsmtb got a rousing "Pooftah!" once and she's certainly not
androgynous looking.

 

[cfsmtb]

I believe cfsmtb got a rousing "Pooftah!" once and she's certainly not
androgynous looking.

True, I've recounted that story a couple of times on a.b. Androgynous? Na, I'm quite curvy with long flowing tresses. I'd put such pitiful remarks down to the rampant homophobia that's sadly around at the mo.

 

[Zebee Johnstone]

In aus.bicycle on Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:38:56 +1000
cfsmtb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Resound Wrote:
>>
>> I believe cfsmtb got a rousing "Pooftah!" once and she's certainly not
>> androgynous looking.
>
> True, I've recounted that story a couple of times on a.b. Androgynous?
> Na, I'm quite curvy with long flowing tresses. I'd put such pitiful
> remarks down to the rampant homophobia that's sadly around at the mo.

I'd class it as evidence that too much really *will* send you blind.

Zebee
- wondering if they have hairy palms as well.

 

[dewatf]

On 11 Sep 2006 21:25:27 -0700, Donga wrote:

>> Makes you think they hand out some doctorates a little too easily ...

Indeed.

Interesting results but his explantions are pure speculation.

> Is that your perception of a sub-group to which you don't belong?
> ;-)
> Yes, wouldn't it be lovely to do your work on a pushie!

He got knocked of his bike twice during the experiment though.

dewatf.

 

[Donga]

dewatf wrote:
> On 11 Sep 2006 21:25:27 -0700, Donga wrote:
>
> >> Makes you think they hand out some doctorates a little too easily ...

Knowing how hard it is to get one (except at Marcus Einfeld's almer
mater and its ilk), I must point out this is an errant snip and I did
not say it: Karen did!

Donga

 

[Duracell Bunny]

Donga wrote:
> dewatf wrote:
>> On 11 Sep 2006 21:25:27 -0700, Donga wrote:
>>
>>>> Makes you think they hand out some doctorates a little too easily ...
>
> Knowing how hard it is to get one (except at Marcus Einfeld's almer
> mater and its ilk), I must point out this is an errant snip and I did
> not say it: Karen did!
>
> Donga
>
I did indeed. And I note that Shane Warne got one this week, albeit an honorary one.

I've seen some doctoral theses that were (un)clearly written by someone not upon
this planet!

--
Karen

If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.'
Catherine Aird

 

[TimC]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 at 06:24 GMT, cfsmtb (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> DeF Wrote:
>> The obvious solution is to dress as a woman and wear an
>> invisible helmet.
>>
>> Now, where's my prosthetic ****?
>
> Sorry lads, I don't get noticed either. With notable exceptions for
> young spotty males who probably haven't seen a female for awhile. Or
> ever.

Poooofta!

--
TimC
It has been said that physicists stand on one another's shoulders.
If this is the case, then programmers stand on one another's toes,
and software engineers dig each other's graves. -- Unknown

 

[TimC]

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 at 06:57 GMT, Duracell Bunny (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Donga wrote:
>> dewatf wrote:
>>> On 11 Sep 2006 21:25:27 -0700, Donga wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Makes you think they hand out some doctorates a little too easily ...
>>
>> Knowing how hard it is to get one (except at Marcus Einfeld's almer
>> mater and its ilk), I must point out this is an errant snip and I did
>> not say it: Karen did!
>>
> I did indeed. And I note that Shane Warne got one this week, albeit an honorary one.

Brian May (Queen) got an honourary doctorate in astronomy a few years
back. But he was about one year from completing it back in the 70s
(er 80s???), and never got to finish it because some damned band came
along and stole all his free time.

I always realised I had made a mistake in persuing my doctorate
instead of my fledgling rock career.

--
TimC
If I'd known computer science was going to be like this, I'd never have
given up being a rock 'n' roll star. -- G. Hirst

 

[[email protected]]

DeF wrote:
.......snip.... In fact, it's easier to build a robot
> that hops.
>
> DeF
>
> --
> e-mail: d.farrow@your finger.murdoch.edu.au
> To reply, you'll have to remove your finger.

Around here they call them Kangaroos....

 

[cfsmtb]

Poooofta!

Ah shutup! BTW, how's life in the little smoke? Cats arrived yet?


cfs ''But I'm a lady!"* mtb


*sometimes.

 

[cfsmtb]

Brian May (Queen) got an honourary doctorate in astronomy a few years
back. But he was about one year from completing it back in the 70s
(er 80s???), and never got to finish it because some damned band came
along and stole all his free time.

I always realised I had made a mistake in persuing my doctorate
instead of my fledgling rock career.

Speaking of erudite musos, Don Walker from the Chisels has a Honours Degree in Quantum Mechanics.

 

[TimC]

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 at 12:59 GMT, cfsmtb (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> BTW, how's life in the little smoke? Cats arrived yet?

The cats arrived before me, and mostly in luxury (well, if the cargo
hold of a 7x7 is "luxury"). But hey, at least I didn't spend the
entire trip in a greyhound bus. The combination of cattle-class XPT
and Frasers coach was much more luxury.

I do wish my furniture arrived in Coona on the estimated date of
arrival, rather than in Sydney. I wouldn't mind having my bikes here
to ride. Or perhaps unpack some of my stuff before I start work.


The big cat explored some of his environs today (I'm not living in the
flat yet, because of the lack of bed, cooking stuff, etc, so they are
spending most of the day alone in the flat). I'm going to have to be
careful when I raid the ice-cream warehouse next to my flat[1] not to
accidentally lock him in the freezer when I make a hasty retreat with
my booty.

[1] I have keys to an icecream warehouse! Mine mine mine mine mine
mine mine! Keep your hands off!

--
TimC
One hundred hairy bugs in the code, one hundred hairy bugs....Fix one
bug, compile it again, 101 hairy bugs. Repeat until BUGS = 0. --unknown

 

[Resound]

"TimC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 at 06:57 GMT, Duracell Bunny (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>> Donga wrote:
>>> dewatf wrote:
>>>> On 11 Sep 2006 21:25:27 -0700, Donga wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Makes you think they hand out some doctorates a little too easily ...
>>>
>>> Knowing how hard it is to get one (except at Marcus Einfeld's almer
>>> mater and its ilk), I must point out this is an errant snip and I did
>>> not say it: Karen did!
>>>
>> I did indeed. And I note that Shane Warne got one this week, albeit an
>> honorary one.
>
> Brian May (Queen) got an honourary doctorate in astronomy a few years
> back. But he was about one year from completing it back in the 70s
> (er 80s???), and never got to finish it because some damned band came
> along and stole all his free time.
>
> I always realised I had made a mistake in persuing my doctorate
> instead of my fledgling rock career.
>
You say that like it's too late.