Weight-Lifting for Legs

Discussion in 'Cycling Training' started by Threshold, Sep 9, 2010.

  1. fergie

    fergie Member

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    What School do you go to, Denver Elementary.
    Straw man. No one is suggesting body building. Only one person is suggesting that bigger muscles are better muscles for cycling.

    Been developing strength and conditioning programmes for over 13 years for a variety of sports and events within those sports. Andy weight trains in the off season although not for cycling reasons.

    Straw man, no one is disputing this.
    Like Frank Day and pedalling I defy you to be able to point out which riders in a peloton do and don't do weight training.

    Straw man, no one is disputing this.

    Evidence please? A recent study of the 6 day Tour of Southland showed a group of 5 riders all gained weight over the tour.

    Cardio? We call it bike riding, it's what we do. If it has cardio benefits well good for us. First you had better prove how bike riding cannibalises muscle. Sounds like the sort of thing a meathead personal trainer would tell you while trying to sign you up to a 3 month gym programme.

    If you want another real world example of how lifting effects cycling:

    Seriously Chris, what does that tell you?
     


  2. Serious Chris

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    Fair enough; there are LOTs of variables here so I'll read more works on studies that are for the other side of the point.

    Nice attempt at trolling me.
     
  3. Serious Chris

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    It tells me you went out of your way and attempted to insult me on the internet.
     
  4. gman0482

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    LOL, you're making this whole thread more of a clusterfcuk post by post.

    How are you getting these names and their results, huh ??? Are you physically training with these pros yourself, and seeing the results ?

    What if it's just a PR stunt for Armstrong to put out a YouTube video of him lifting. What if it's just to throw off any competition. You ever think about that ? Do you really think any legit high ranking pro will tell the world what their training secrets are ?

    You're so ignorant it's hilarious. And to think you probably don't even own a bike, just some rusty ol' dumbells in the basement. :D
     
  5. Felt_Rider

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    Thanks, I have been trying to improve my trolling techniques.

    Actually I have been lifting for over 27 years so I am curious as to the finer details of what you listed. It certainly appears to be different than most of the strength athletes I have been around and it is not a routine that I would follow, but then again I have seen a lot people train with weights in various ways and be successful so I am not going to criticize you. I am just trying to get to the finer details.

    With weights it sets, reps and weight. With cycling a way to let us know is with power measurement. That gives us a better definition of what a "strong" ride means. I am trolling you to find out more of who you are and what credentials you have in your training and consulting resume.
     
  6. swampy1970

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    Ferfie...

    ... is that Fergie with cutesy bunny ears?
     
  7. swampy1970

    swampy1970 Well-Known Member

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    What... no mention of weights?

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shr-ZmApWCI]YouTube - Chris Boardman on the Science behind the hour record[/ame]
     
  8. Serious Chris

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    Point taken, and my apologies; It can be difficult to tell.

    My lifting stats from yesterday are unimpressive to say the least. For a few years I have worked out at home with extremely modest equipment and this is my first week back in a real gym.

    Pullups 6 sets of 6
    Bent-over bar rows 5 sets of 6 with 90 lbs
    Squats/Deadlifts 6 sets of 6 with 150 lbs

    By strong ride I mean the route I do several times a week was accomplished faster than normal, and in higher gears than usual with just as high a cadence. I can't give you power measurements since I have no computer on my bike.

    I'm really just a regular guy that started studying nutrition and exercise when I was a fat ass 18 year old. As far as credentials and my resume; this is my lifestyle, not my career so my credentials and resume are my health.
     
  9. Serious Chris

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  10. fergie

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    So where do you get off telling coaches and exercise physiologists that they are ignorant of weight training and making claims for benefits and not providing any evidence to support them.

    Seriously Chris is one strong ride the basis of your claims? I tried a new pair of lucky red socks today and did a PB ride. Was it the socks, the first hot day of spring or am I the next elite Kiwi cyclist to get done for EPO:D
     
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    You'd have to actually ride a bike to be considered a cyclist, fergie.
     
  12. Serious Chris

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    I suggest you put more points toward Intelligence next time; and Charisma. I'll quote myself since trolling is more important to you than reading comprehension. "usually said by people who have never successfully or correctly strength-trained with weights."

    It was to say DOMS did not hinder my ride. It seems you don't actually read the posts you troll.
     
  13. fergie

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    Love it how someone who is here for 5 mins and calls me a troll:rolleyes:

    And why do you think DOMS didn't hinder your ride?
     
  14. swampy1970

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    I guess comprehension isn't up there as one of your skills either...

    He talked about frame design and aerodynamics, body position and aerodynamics, evironmental conditions and training physiology... since we're being so pedantic.

    But if you'd actually taken some time to figure out what his trainers (Peter Keen - who just happened to be the original brains of the all dominating British Cycling track team) approach was to events even as short as the 4km pursuit was, then you'd understand that weights had no part of that program. Chris actually spent most of the winter prior to his first hour record on a mountain bike going spuds out trying to keep up with his team mates on road bikes... Fancy stuff aye, an Olympic champion going from the Lotus bike to a mountain bike with knobblies on in the lashing rain of the Wirral. But it got in the volume of quality training that was required for the prep. That the first few of those rides required someone going out and picking Chris up in a car because he was smashed ended up being inconsequential - but it does highlight the amount of work that was required.
     
  15. Serious Chris

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    You don't really hide it very well.

    You're so right! I totally should have gotten all of that from the video you linked; that had none of that information within.
     
  16. fergie

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    So you should be thanking Swampy for filling in the gaps of your sadly lacking knowledge.
     
  17. Serious Chris

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  18. tonyzackery

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    The sum of the matter. Thank you, Ferg.

    This is an internet forum afterall - since when has evidence or proof been a prerequisite for making any claim??:D He/she (not sure which) did it, made the statement anonomously on an internet forum, so it MUST be true.

    Furthermore Ferg, how dare you have the audacity to question the veracity of his/her claims??!! Obviously we're dealing with a supreme authority on the subject, and anyone who disagrees is convincingly ignorant as to the correct, and ultimately successful application of strength training with weights to increase endurance cycling performance...

    Again, I sincerely hope and trust my racing competition is tuning into this thread. The sooner they get start on that weight training program, the better...
     
  19. swampy1970

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    ... Since you came to 'the table' with the cocky swagger that you knew it all, I just thought I was just providing a little refresher.

    Humble pie... It sometimes makes for a tasty start to a feast of training goodness. You should try some sometime.
     
  20. Serious Chris

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    Not at all, I'm very teachable. My reply to your video link was made in the same humor in which you posted. Next time I'll use the :p feature so everyone will know I'm joking.

    I don't eat pie; it's fattening.
    Oh f*ck! Almost forgot my :p
     
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