Weights training to increase max sprint power

[Roadie_scum]

Uhhh, the OP asked if weight training would be of any benefit to his road sprinting (jump and 5 sec. anaerobic power). IMO, I think it would be of some benefit. However, IMO I think there would be a cost to his endurance fitness. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, in other words...

I think if you read back over my posts you will see that I didn't say weights are unequivocally unhelpful for sprinting. However, to get a benefit from weights to crossover to cycling you need to either:

-Train at the specific joint angles and muscular velocities attained in cycling. (Basically not possible - except on the bike). OR
-Get hypertrophy (bigger muscles). This isn't always that easy and requires a fair commitment to the weight room, such that it isn't worth it for a roadie. The tradeoff of metabolic fitness via interference effect and the raw physiological and weight changes are further strong negatives.

 

[tonyzackery]

As Andy rightfully points out, weights may not be strictly useless in all situations. The question is your event length and the determinants of success associated with your event. It is unlikely (ie close to zero probability) that if you are primarily a road racer that an understanding of these factors will mean you should train with weights.

It is possible to construct more complicated scenarios. Then we have to wait for the great Cog to chip in again.

I'm pleased to see that you were able to amend your initial thoughts on this subject . Sometimes all it takes is hearing the same information from a different messenger - in this case Dr. Coggan.

By the way Andy, I'm in the process of digesting your book with Hunter Allen "Training with Power". As I'm sure all would concur, the book is "good stuff".

 

[velomanct]

So, what about a points racer who can't count on taking a lap, or a criterium specialist who doesn't have a great lead-out train, and thus must depend more on their neuromuscular power?

Well, for me, I lose around 40% of my sprint power by the time it comes to the end of a crit, road race or any road event where the speed is high in the final miles. I'm anaerobic so therefore I am weak as heck. It is purely a cardiovascular issue, not neuromuscular.

 

[Roadie_scum]

I'm pleased to see that you were able to amend your initial thoughts on this subject . Sometimes all it takes is hearing the same information from a different messenger - in this case Dr. Coggan.

By the way Andy, I'm in the process of digesting your book with Hunter Allen "Training with Power". As I'm sure all would concur, the book is "good stuff".

Que?

What thought did I amend? (please quote directly)

 

[Alex Simmons]

So, what about a points racer who can't count on taking a lap, or a criterium specialist who doesn't have a great lead-out train, and thus must depend more on their neuromuscular power?

You are evil at times, you know that don't you? This descibes me all over.

 

[tonyzackery]

Que?

What thought did I amend? (please quote directly)

I seem to recall one of your posts indicating weight training for road sprinting to be inefficient and unintelligent. I could be wrong though...

By the way, I'm done with this pissing match. You can have the last word if you need it...

 

[Roadie_scum]

I seem to recall one of your posts indicating weight training for road sprinting to be inefficient and unintelligent. I could be wrong though...

Which I stand by. Crits and points races aren't road sprints.

(Not a pissing match - just setting the record straight).

 

[acoggan]

You are evil at times, you know that don't you? This descibes me all over.

So, do you think I'd fit in Down Under?

 

[mickthomas]

So, do you think I'd fit in Down Under?

Hey Man what's happening to this thread? I ask a simple Q and it ends up with the type of innuendo Benny Hill would be proud of.

 

[acoggan]

Hey Man what's happening to this thread? I ask a simple Q and it ends up with the type of innuendo Benny Hill would be proud of.

Umm, err, ah...

 

[Roadie_scum]

Hey Man what's happening to this thread? I ask a simple Q and it ends up with the type of innuendo Benny Hill would be proud of.

Hilarious. Nice pickup.

 

[Alex Simmons]

Hey Man what's happening to this thread? I ask a simple Q and it ends up with the type of innuendo Benny Hill would be proud of.

Well to be fair, Andy raises a good point about whether some weight training would be beneficial to some types of riders in points/crit racing. It drives me nuts cause I fit into the rider type he is referring to. Then again, maybe it's a matter of just working on one's weaknesses.

Andy does need to show he can cook a good BBQ though

 

[acoggan]

Andy does need to show he can cook a good BBQ though

Unfortunately, that is something that I'd have to learn. Maybe you'd be willing to pop up to visit and teach me, though?

 

[Alex Simmons]

Unfortunately, that is something that I'd have to learn. Maybe you'd be willing to pop up to visit and teach me, though?

Sure but like any good scientist, how about doing some research first?:
http://aussiebarbie.com.au/

 

[beerco]

Sure but like any good scientist, how about doing some research first?:
http://aussiebarbie.com.au/

Meh....

Here's a little something I whipped together a while ago:

http://www.discusscooking.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2750&d=1180355542

More pics here: http://www.discusscooking.com/forums/f36/best-ribs-ever-35385.html

On Topic Content - My improving skills at BBQ have been quite detrimental to my w/kg

 

[Roadie_scum]

Meh....

Here's a little something I whipped together a while ago:

http://www.discusscooking.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2750&d=1180355542

More pics here: http://www.discusscooking.com/forums/f36/best-ribs-ever-35385.html

On Topic Content - My improving skills at BBQ have been quite detrimental to my w/kg

I was going to bring this up earlier, but Alex, are you taking into account the difference between American and Australian BBQ? American BBQ typically refers to cooking only with indirect heat, like smoking. Australian BBQ is what Americans call grilling. Having experienced both, I want a smoker and a grill when I set up back home. Beerco can make ribs, Andy can train up on whatever he wants and Alex and me can grill steak, salmon, sausages, barramundi and so on.

W/kg? Hmmm... kg/w? That looks much better.

 

[Alex Simmons]

 

[acoggan]

Sure but like any good scientist, how about doing some research first?:
http://aussiebarbie.com.au/

Ma-aate!

 

[ric_stern/RST]

Ma-aate!

how i laughed at that! i didn't realise aussies said "maaate" as well as us (brits)

ric