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> "JD" <
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> > "B. Sanders" <
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> > > Weyless is Supergo's in-house boutique brand name for their
high-quality
> > > imported cycling components (and frames). I have a high-end custom
bike
> > > (RaceFace/XTR, etc) built around their Weyless Ultra hardtail frame,
and
> I'm
> > > very happy with the frame so far. Nice geometry, very stiff, very
> light.
> > > From what I've seen, the Weyless "brand" offers excellent value.
> >
> > Your wayless is just that barry bargain, way less than a custom bicycle. If you try to tell us
> > that frame was built custom for you it will only reinforce the fact that you are naive about
> > bicycles. Do you even ride?
> >
> > JD
>
> I'm kind of curious as to what would be 'custom' about a weyless frame
too?
> I mean, they're just cheap, made in tawain knockoffs of other
manufacturer's
> designs, as far as I recall.
Wrong. Supergo engineered the 2003 Weyless Ultra frame in direct collaboration with Easton
engineers. (Yeah, they know a thing or two about frame engineering). This is not a knock-off.
It's as thoughtfully engineered as any frame you'll find. Is it hand built? Probably. Is it the
same quality as a Richard Sachs or a Merlin? Definitely not; but it's very nice, I can tell you
that much.
Are you interested in quality, or brand-name recognition? They're not the same thing.
> I'm with JD on this one. If someone who proclaims to be an expert on
bikes,
> thinks that building up a bike with xtr/raceface components, makes it a custom - that particular
> someone is just a plain old not-know.
When I say a bike is "custom", I mean "the bike was built with a customized selection of components,
and nothing about the bike is stock." If I say my bike "has a custom frame," that means that the
frame was custom-made for me, to my specs, and is not a production model. Many cyclists commonly
refer to "custom bikes" that are built with off-the-shelf production frames. In fact, the *majority*
of custom bikes are built with production frames. (See
http://www.speedgoat.com/speedgoat/gallery/galleryDate.asp for example. What percentage of the
custom bikes in their gallery are based upon truly custom-made frames?)
Note that just because a frame is hand-made doesn't make it a "custom frame." However, *any* frame
with a completely customized parts spec is generally referred to as a "custom" or "customized" bike.
I've been using this definition of "custom bike" for about a decade now, and have never been asked
to explain my meaning. It seems to be a commonly accepted definition.
If I had a Santa Cruz Blur with XTR, RaceFace, Marzocchi, Hope, etc, would it meet your criteria for
"custom bike?" You're drawing arbitrary lines in the sand, arguing semantics in a weak attempt at ad
hominem. It makes you look foolish and willfully ignorant.
-=Barry=-