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Alistair Gunn
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BIG_ONE twisted the electrons to say:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fredpipes/328199379/
Is that a contra-flow cyclelane on a one-way street? If so, then as a
cyclelane it's prossibly okay.
As for a Jewson blocking it with stuff, write to Jewson customer care
quoting the URL and commending them on the free publciity? <grins>
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> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fredpipes/328199379/
Is that a contra-flow cyclelane on a one-way street? If so, then as a
cyclelane it's prossibly okay.
As for a Jewson blocking it with stuff, write to Jewson customer care
quoting the URL and commending them on the free publciity? <grins>
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These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...
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BIG_ONE
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On 20 Dec 2006 22:00:46 GMT, Alistair Gunn <[email protected]>
wrote:
>BIG_ONE twisted the electrons to say:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fredpipes/328199379/
>
>Is that a contra-flow cyclelane on a one-way street? If so, then as a
>cyclelane it's prossibly okay.
the same chap has a photo showing potential problems with them :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fredpipes/309514015/
>
>As for a Jewson blocking it with stuff, write to Jewson customer care
>quoting the URL and commending them on the free publciity? <grins>
good idea
wrote:
>BIG_ONE twisted the electrons to say:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fredpipes/328199379/
>
>Is that a contra-flow cyclelane on a one-way street? If so, then as a
>cyclelane it's prossibly okay.
the same chap has a photo showing potential problems with them :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fredpipes/309514015/
>
>As for a Jewson blocking it with stuff, write to Jewson customer care
>quoting the URL and commending them on the free publciity? <grins>
good idea
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Alistair Gunn wrote:
> BIG_ONE twisted the electrons to say:
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fredpipes/328199379/
>
> Is that a contra-flow cyclelane on a one-way street? If so, then as a
> cyclelane it's prossibly okay.
nope based on the orientation of the lorry, the give way sign for the
other lane (seen from behind) and the road markings I would say it is a
with flow lane on a one way street
best wishes
james
> BIG_ONE twisted the electrons to say:
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fredpipes/328199379/
>
> Is that a contra-flow cyclelane on a one-way street? If so, then as a
> cyclelane it's prossibly okay.
nope based on the orientation of the lorry, the give way sign for the
other lane (seen from behind) and the road markings I would say it is a
with flow lane on a one way street
best wishes
james
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BIG_ONE
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Will Cove <[email protected]> wrote:
>Parking on a cycle lane is a criminal offence under RTRA 1984
....
>So why do they commit the more serious offence by parking on the cycle
>lane? Could it be that they don't understand it is illegal to park there?
more often than not this is probably the 'excuse' ... but rarely the
_reason_. Most people (there _may_ be exceptions
are in cars as they
are lazy and selfish ... so lazy selfish acts can be expected
>or could it be that the council-contracted parking attendents have no
>jurisdiction WRT to criminal offences and so it is less likely they'll be
>brought to task than if they parked on double-yellows (where the PAs could
>issue a PCN)?
PCN= fine?
this sounds realistic, PAs have 1 job 2 do & they do it (IME) well ...
the police suspect everyone of everything (it's the job) but they
operate on a food chain approach, rarely disturbing corporate
interests, but frequently harassing teenagers... unfortunately
bicycles have a lowly place on this food chain
>Parking on a cycle lane is a criminal offence under RTRA 1984
....
>So why do they commit the more serious offence by parking on the cycle
>lane? Could it be that they don't understand it is illegal to park there?
more often than not this is probably the 'excuse' ... but rarely the
_reason_. Most people (there _may_ be exceptions
are in cars as theyare lazy and selfish ... so lazy selfish acts can be expected
>or could it be that the council-contracted parking attendents have no
>jurisdiction WRT to criminal offences and so it is less likely they'll be
>brought to task than if they parked on double-yellows (where the PAs could
>issue a PCN)?
PCN= fine?
this sounds realistic, PAs have 1 job 2 do & they do it (IME) well ...
the police suspect everyone of everything (it's the job) but they
operate on a food chain approach, rarely disturbing corporate
interests, but frequently harassing teenagers... unfortunately
bicycles have a lowly place on this food chain
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Noel
Guest
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:14:48 +0000, Will Cove wrote:
> Parking on a cycle lane is a criminal offence under RTRA 1984 and is so
> more serious than the offence of parking on double yellows, which was
That is interesting that you say parking on a cycle lane is an offence.
Once particularly hellish road (which I always avoid) is Foxley Lane
(A2022 leading out of Purley, Surrey).
Here we have a very busy fast road (30mph limit but not adhered to) with
some nasty long curves. Cleverly the council decided to paint in cycle
lanes a few years ago on both sides of the road.
Residents cars have always (well last 39 years of mine at least) been
parked on the North side of the road as they do not have driveways. There
is also a busy doctor's surgery on that side.
Link here which will hopefully clarify things better than my words:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&h...41251,-0.124868&spn=0.00117,0.002004&t=h&om=1
There are always about 20 or more cars parked there so it is surprising
someone hasn't seen the revenue opportunity in fining them all?!
Whilst we are at Foxley Lane, for me this is a classic example of a cycle
lane putting everyone at more risk.
If you are cycling down the slight hill into Purley (ie on the North side
with all the cars parked there) you have to put yourself in the primary
position and stay there or keep suicidally ducking in and out from the
parked cars. Since there is a cycle lane there, drivers might assume you
should be in it (despite the parked cars!).
If you are coming from Purley on the South side I would say you are at
more risk. You have a clear, and to some, ostensibly safe cycle lane which
takes you around the long curve up the gentle hill. Cars coming from
behind will not see you early if you have gone too far around the curve.
As they do approach the curve they will no doubt meet a car/lorry/bus
coming fast towards and them and straddling the central white line in
order to avoid the rows of parked cars (and hopefully any poor sod on a
bike!). Both drivers will have all their attention focused on avoiding
each other as they pass around the curve. A cyclist, safely(!?) ensconced
in the cycle lane on the nearside will be seen late and now directly in
the escape path of a fast vehicle approaching from behind.
Horrible road - for car or bike.
Cheers
Noel
> Parking on a cycle lane is a criminal offence under RTRA 1984 and is so
> more serious than the offence of parking on double yellows, which was
That is interesting that you say parking on a cycle lane is an offence.
Once particularly hellish road (which I always avoid) is Foxley Lane
(A2022 leading out of Purley, Surrey).
Here we have a very busy fast road (30mph limit but not adhered to) with
some nasty long curves. Cleverly the council decided to paint in cycle
lanes a few years ago on both sides of the road.
Residents cars have always (well last 39 years of mine at least) been
parked on the North side of the road as they do not have driveways. There
is also a busy doctor's surgery on that side.
Link here which will hopefully clarify things better than my words:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&h...41251,-0.124868&spn=0.00117,0.002004&t=h&om=1
There are always about 20 or more cars parked there so it is surprising
someone hasn't seen the revenue opportunity in fining them all?!
Whilst we are at Foxley Lane, for me this is a classic example of a cycle
lane putting everyone at more risk.
If you are cycling down the slight hill into Purley (ie on the North side
with all the cars parked there) you have to put yourself in the primary
position and stay there or keep suicidally ducking in and out from the
parked cars. Since there is a cycle lane there, drivers might assume you
should be in it (despite the parked cars!).
If you are coming from Purley on the South side I would say you are at
more risk. You have a clear, and to some, ostensibly safe cycle lane which
takes you around the long curve up the gentle hill. Cars coming from
behind will not see you early if you have gone too far around the curve.
As they do approach the curve they will no doubt meet a car/lorry/bus
coming fast towards and them and straddling the central white line in
order to avoid the rows of parked cars (and hopefully any poor sod on a
bike!). Both drivers will have all their attention focused on avoiding
each other as they pass around the curve. A cyclist, safely(!?) ensconced
in the cycle lane on the nearside will be seen late and now directly in
the escape path of a fast vehicle approaching from behind.
Horrible road - for car or bike.
Cheers
Noel
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Alan Holmes
Guest
"Noel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:14:48 +0000, Will Cove wrote:
>
>> Parking on a cycle lane is a criminal offence under RTRA 1984 and is so
>> more serious than the offence of parking on double yellows, which was
>
> That is interesting that you say parking on a cycle lane is an offence.
> Once particularly hellish road (which I always avoid) is Foxley Lane
> (A2022 leading out of Purley, Surrey).
The A4 west of Brentford has a cycle lane which is invareably use as a car
park for cars, but it is extreemly dangerous anyway, as where the lane ends
at road junctions car drivers take no notice of the cycle lane and just
drive on without looking to see the cyclist they are about to run down.
Alan
news
[email protected]...> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:14:48 +0000, Will Cove wrote:
>
>> Parking on a cycle lane is a criminal offence under RTRA 1984 and is so
>> more serious than the offence of parking on double yellows, which was
>
> That is interesting that you say parking on a cycle lane is an offence.
> Once particularly hellish road (which I always avoid) is Foxley Lane
> (A2022 leading out of Purley, Surrey).
The A4 west of Brentford has a cycle lane which is invareably use as a car
park for cars, but it is extreemly dangerous anyway, as where the lane ends
at road junctions car drivers take no notice of the cycle lane and just
drive on without looking to see the cyclist they are about to run down.
Alan
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Andrew_S
Guest
Noel wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:14:48 +0000, Will Cove wrote:
>
>> Parking on a cycle lane is a criminal offence under RTRA 1984 and is so
>> more serious than the offence of parking on double yellows, which was
>
> That is interesting that you say parking on a cycle lane is an offence.
> Once particularly hellish road (which I always avoid) is Foxley Lane
> (A2022 leading out of Purley, Surrey).
> <snip>
It's not the parking in a cycle lane that's the criminal offence, but
crossing the solid white line to do so.
Most cycle lanes are delimited by dashed white lines, and rely on double
yellows to prevent parking
The ones in the OP are solid lines, as they are contraflow.
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:14:48 +0000, Will Cove wrote:
>
>> Parking on a cycle lane is a criminal offence under RTRA 1984 and is so
>> more serious than the offence of parking on double yellows, which was
>
> That is interesting that you say parking on a cycle lane is an offence.
> Once particularly hellish road (which I always avoid) is Foxley Lane
> (A2022 leading out of Purley, Surrey).
> <snip>
It's not the parking in a cycle lane that's the criminal offence, but
crossing the solid white line to do so.
Most cycle lanes are delimited by dashed white lines, and rely on double
yellows to prevent parking
The ones in the OP are solid lines, as they are contraflow.
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Tony Raven
Guest
Andrew_S wrote on 30/12/2006 23:53 +0100:
>
> It's not the parking in a cycle lane that's the criminal offence, but
> crossing the solid white line to do so.
Parking there is an offence too for a mandatory cycle lane. Motor
vehicles are banned from the cycle lane by a Traffic Regulation Order
and any motor vehicle driving or parking in the cycle lane is breaking
the law.
--
Tony
"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
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>
> It's not the parking in a cycle lane that's the criminal offence, but
> crossing the solid white line to do so.
Parking there is an offence too for a mandatory cycle lane. Motor
vehicles are banned from the cycle lane by a Traffic Regulation Order
and any motor vehicle driving or parking in the cycle lane is breaking
the law.
--
Tony
"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy