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Bolwerk
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rotten wrote:
> On Jun 7, 5:30 pm, Dane Buson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In rec.bicycles.misc rotten <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 7, 1:25 pm, Dane Buson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> In rec.bicycles.misc rotten <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 7, 10:52 am, Bolwerk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't know what it means for "nobody" to "subsidize anybody else's
>>>>>> transportation." Depending where you live and if you drive, your
>>>>>> transportation is probably subsidized by all kinds of people, places,
>>>>>> and funding schemes, ranging from gas taxes to direct federal
>>>>>> appropriations.
>>>>> User fees as much as possible.
>>>> So, you're talking about $7-13 a gallon gas? Or perhaps every road will
>>>> become a toll road? Of course we could also install a GPS box and tax
>>>> you for miles driven. Alternately we could charge people based on
>>>> odometer readings when you register every year. [1]
>>>> I also look forward to the Sneaker Tax. Of course this will have to be
>>>> built into the cost of the shoes. Perhaps we'll call it something like
>>>> Very Appreciable Travel and tack it onto the cost of all travel related
>>>> goods.
>>>> [1] I'm sure no one will stop their odometer, falsify it, or fail to
>>>> register their car to avoid paying...
>>> Calm down little man, I don't think it's reasonable to charge for
>>> walking or whatever, obviously on a local level not everything will be
>>> able to be paid for on that basis. Sheesh, people get so angry.
>> Angry? I'm sorry if I came off that way. I was being mildly sarcastic,
>> but not at all angry. Perhaps I should have added the odd ;-) in there.
>>
>> I'm actually in favour of user fees in many cases, especially roads
>> which have historically been subsidized heavily by property tax and
>> general funds. Of course the problem with user fees is getting people
>> to agree to cough up the money up front.
>>
>> When you have to pay the full cost at every use, people often balk. You
>> can see the same effect in many places in life.
>>
>> ex. Someone who would hesitate if you made them pay $1000 for a year of
>> coffee has no problem with paying $3-4 multiple times a week.
>>
>> --
>> Dane Buson - [email protected]
>> The penalty for laughing in a courtroom is six months in jail; if it
>> were not for this penalty, the jury would never hear the evidence.
>> -- H. L. Mencken
>
> User fees for roads would not even be close to $7-$8 per gallon, I
> remember seeing that existing gas taxes already cover around 50% of
> the cost of roads, with tolls and excise taxes making up around half
> of the rest.
What are you including in the "cost of roads"? Just maintenance? How
about emergency services? Patrol? Externalities? Only major highways?
What about ancillary routes? Local roads? New construction?
If you pick all of the above, I doubt $7-8 would cover it really.
> On Jun 7, 5:30 pm, Dane Buson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In rec.bicycles.misc rotten <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 7, 1:25 pm, Dane Buson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> In rec.bicycles.misc rotten <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 7, 10:52 am, Bolwerk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't know what it means for "nobody" to "subsidize anybody else's
>>>>>> transportation." Depending where you live and if you drive, your
>>>>>> transportation is probably subsidized by all kinds of people, places,
>>>>>> and funding schemes, ranging from gas taxes to direct federal
>>>>>> appropriations.
>>>>> User fees as much as possible.
>>>> So, you're talking about $7-13 a gallon gas? Or perhaps every road will
>>>> become a toll road? Of course we could also install a GPS box and tax
>>>> you for miles driven. Alternately we could charge people based on
>>>> odometer readings when you register every year. [1]
>>>> I also look forward to the Sneaker Tax. Of course this will have to be
>>>> built into the cost of the shoes. Perhaps we'll call it something like
>>>> Very Appreciable Travel and tack it onto the cost of all travel related
>>>> goods.
>>>> [1] I'm sure no one will stop their odometer, falsify it, or fail to
>>>> register their car to avoid paying...
>>> Calm down little man, I don't think it's reasonable to charge for
>>> walking or whatever, obviously on a local level not everything will be
>>> able to be paid for on that basis. Sheesh, people get so angry.
>> Angry? I'm sorry if I came off that way. I was being mildly sarcastic,
>> but not at all angry. Perhaps I should have added the odd ;-) in there.
>>
>> I'm actually in favour of user fees in many cases, especially roads
>> which have historically been subsidized heavily by property tax and
>> general funds. Of course the problem with user fees is getting people
>> to agree to cough up the money up front.
>>
>> When you have to pay the full cost at every use, people often balk. You
>> can see the same effect in many places in life.
>>
>> ex. Someone who would hesitate if you made them pay $1000 for a year of
>> coffee has no problem with paying $3-4 multiple times a week.
>>
>> --
>> Dane Buson - [email protected]
>> The penalty for laughing in a courtroom is six months in jail; if it
>> were not for this penalty, the jury would never hear the evidence.
>> -- H. L. Mencken
>
> User fees for roads would not even be close to $7-$8 per gallon, I
> remember seeing that existing gas taxes already cover around 50% of
> the cost of roads, with tolls and excise taxes making up around half
> of the rest.
What are you including in the "cost of roads"? Just maintenance? How
about emergency services? Patrol? Externalities? Only major highways?
What about ancillary routes? Local roads? New construction?
If you pick all of the above, I doubt $7-8 would cover it really.