What do you call this wacky cone wrench?



J

Jens Kurt Heyck

Guest
In trying to adjust a hub, I've found it darn near
impossible to reach a nut on one side with a cone wrench
because it is surrounded by a flange that's about 1/2 inch
bigger and which sticks up about 1/4 inch. The manufacturer
tells me I just need to get a special cone wrench. Does
anyone know what this wrench might be called?

I assume the wrench would be almost "L" shaped with the
open end at the bottom of the wrench.

thanks in advance

Jens
 
A

A Muzi

Guest
Jens Kurt Heycke wrote:

> In trying to adjust a hub, I've found it darn near
> impossible to reach a nut on one side with a cone wrench
> because it is surrounded by a flange that's about 1/2 inch
> bigger and which sticks up about 1/4 inch. The
> manufacturer tells me I just need to get a special cone
> wrench. Does anyone know what this wrench might be called?
>
> I assume the wrench would be almost "L" shaped with the
> open end at the bottom of the wrench.

Most modern rear hubs are adjusted by locking the lubricated
right side threaded bits and then a final adjustment on the
left side. AFAIK "special" only means metric and thin. What
hub are you working on?

--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1
April, 1971
 
J

Jens Kurt Heyck

Guest
"A Muzi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Jens Kurt Heycke wrote:
>
> > In trying to adjust a hub, I've found it darn near
> > impossible to reach a nut on one side with a cone wrench
> > because it is surrounded by a flange that's about 1/2
> > inch bigger and which sticks up about 1/4 inch. The
> > manufacturer tells me I just need to get a special cone
> > wrench. Does anyone know what this wrench might be
> > called?
> >
> > I assume the wrench would be almost "L" shaped with the
> > open end at the bottom of the wrench.
>
> Most modern rear hubs are adjusted by locking the
> lubricated right side threaded bits and then a final
> adjustment on the left side. AFAIK "special" only means
> metric and thin. What hub are you working on?
>

It's a proprietary Falcon Sports hub on their Accel II
disc wheel.

http://www.planetsports.com/hockeyworld/FalconSports/velo/

The problem is on the non-drive side. It looks kinda
like this:

---
$||||||||||&--
---

It seems like I should be able to tighten the outer nut (&)
in opposition to the inner one ($). But I can't reach the $
with any cone wrench I have, because the flange (---)
blocks access.

--Jens
 
C

Chalo

Guest
"Jens Kurt Heycke" <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's a proprietary Falcon Sports hub on their Accel II
> disc wheel.
>
> http://www.planetsports.com/hockeyworld/FalconSports/velo/
>
> The problem is on the non-drive side. It looks kinda
> like this:
>
> ---
> $||||||||||&--
> ---
>
> It seems like I should be able to tighten the outer nut
> (&) in opposition to the inner one ($). But I can't reach
> the $ with any cone wrench I have, because the flange (---
> ) blocks access.

That's a sealed cartridge bearing hub. There is no
"adjustment" as such to do upon it. If the axle is loose and
has axial play, remove the outer locknut and spacers, then
snug down the inner locknut with
e.g. a deep socket, and replace the spacers and outer
locknut.

If your bearings are "loose" in other than the axial
direction, they are damaged and require replacement.

Chalo Colina
 
J

Jens Kurt Heyck

Guest
"Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Jens Kurt Heycke"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > It's a proprietary Falcon Sports hub on their Accel II
> > disc wheel.
> >
> > http://www.planetsports.com/hockeyworld/FalconSports-
> > /velo/
> >
> > The problem is on the non-drive side. It looks kinda
> > like this:
> >
> > ---
> > $||||||||||&--
> > ---
> >
> > It seems like I should be able to tighten the outer nut
> > (&) in opposition to the inner one ($). But I can't
> > reach the $ with any cone wrench I have, because the
> > flange (---) blocks access.
>
> That's a sealed cartridge bearing hub. There is no
> "adjustment" as such to do upon it. If the axle is loose
> and has axial play, remove the outer locknut and spacers,
> then snug down the inner locknut with
> e.g. a deep socket, and replace the spacers and outer
> locknut.

Thanks for the advice. It only has a sealed cartridge on one
side (the website is innaccurate). The other side has cup,
cone, and loose bearings. It's kinda like a Powertap hub,
which is also a PITA, BTW.

-- Jens
 
A

A Muzi

Guest
>>Jens Kurt Heycke wrote:
>>>In trying to adjust a hub, I've found it darn near
>>>impossible to reach a nut on one side with a cone wrench
>>>because it is surrounded by a flange that's about 1/2
>>>inch bigger and which sticks up about 1/4 inch. The
>>>manufacturer tells me I just need to get a special cone
>>>wrench. Does anyone know what this wrench might be
>>>called?
>>>
>>> I assume the wrench would be almost "L" shaped with the
>>> open end at the bottom of the wrench.

> "A Muzi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>Most modern rear hubs are adjusted by locking the
>>lubricated right side threaded bits and then a final
>>adjustment on the left side. AFAIK "special" only means
>>metric and thin. What hub are you working on?
>>
>
>
Jens Kurt Heycke wrote:
> It's a proprietary Falcon Sports hub on their Accel II
> disc wheel. http://www.planetsports.com/hockeyworld/Falco-
> nSports/velo/ The problem is on the non-drive side. It
> looks kinda like this:
> ---
> $||||||||||&--
> ---
> It seems like I should be able to tighten the outer nut
> (&) in opposition to the inner one ($). But I can't reach
> the $ with any cone wrench I have, because the flange (---
> ) blocks access.

I could't find a picture of that hub

--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1
April, 1971
 
C

Chalo

Guest
"Jens Kurt Heycke" <[email protected]> wrote:

> It only has a sealed cartridge on one side (the website is
> innaccurate). The other side has cup, cone, and loose
> bearings. It's kinda like a Powertap hub, which is also a
> PITA, BTW.

I see. I remember working on an Falcon Sports flat disk
wheel once upon a time. It was of the freewheel type, and
both of its bearings snugged up against shoulders on the
axle without any provision for preload adjustment.

Cassette freehub bodies do not mix well with cartridge
bearings, which is one of the reasons I won't use
cassette hubs.

Chalo Colina
 
J

Jens Kurt Heyck

Guest
"A Muzi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >>Jens Kurt Heycke wrote:
> >>>In trying to adjust a hub, I've found it darn near
> >>>impossible to reach a nut on one side with a cone
> >>>wrench because it is surrounded by a flange that's
> >>>about 1/2 inch bigger and which sticks up about 1/4
> >>>inch. The manufacturer tells me I just need to get a
> >>>special cone wrench. Does anyone know what this wrench
> >>>might be called?
> >>>
> >>> I assume the wrench would be almost "L" shaped with
> >>> the open end at the bottom of the wrench.
>
> > "A Muzi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>Most modern rear hubs are adjusted by locking the
> >>lubricated right side threaded bits and then a final
> >>adjustment on the left side. AFAIK "special" only means
> >>metric and thin. What hub are you working on?
> >>
> >
> >
> Jens Kurt Heycke wrote:
> > It's a proprietary Falcon Sports hub on their Accel II
> > disc wheel. http://www.planetsports.com/hockeyworld/Fal-
> > conSports/velo/ The problem is on the non-drive side. It
> > looks kinda like this:
> > ---
> > $||||||||||&--
> > ---
> > It seems like I should be able to tighten the outer nut
> > (&) in opposition to the inner one ($). But I can't
> > reach the $ with any cone wrench I have, because the
> > flange (---) blocks access.
>
> I could't find a picture of that hub
>

Other than that cheesy letter diagram above, unfortunately,
I don't have one. The website only provides far-away photos.

--j
 
J

Jens Kurt Heyck

Guest
"Chalo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Jens Kurt Heycke"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > It only has a sealed cartridge on one side (the website
> > is innaccurate). The other side has cup, cone, and loose
> > bearings. It's kinda like a Powertap hub, which is also
> > a PITA, BTW.
>
> I see. I remember working on an Falcon Sports flat disk
> wheel once upon a time. It was of the freewheel type, and
> both of its bearings snugged up against shoulders on the
> axle without any provision for preload adjustment.
>
> Cassette freehub bodies do not mix well with cartridge
> bearings, which is one of the reasons I won't use
> cassette hubs.
>
> Chalo Colina

Well, I ended up sending the wheel back to Falcon Sports for
repair because it was out of true anyway. They're going to
start using all catridge bearings all around and they may do
this with my wheel.

They're very nice there and are paying shipping, though I
can't say I was overjoyed to get a new wheel with a handful
of parts where you have figure out the spacing and assemble
it yourself.

-- Jens