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Kathy
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Bleve wrote:
> Kathy wrote:
>
>>Bleve wrote:
>>
>>>Kathy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bleve wrote:
>>>>
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>Can I suggest that clipping in and out be done at the carpark
>>>just up behind the velodrone instead? It's flat. Dealing with
>>>a lean (even the slight 2 degrees or so at hwtn) is only going
>>>to make it harder.
>>>
>>
>>That was the theory behind moving onto the grass, in a low gear, so it
>>would be easier...
>
>
> Fatal mistake! You're going too slow on the grass, which means you
> have less time to unclip.
>
>
>
>>Very nervous - and with Dave there watching - more nervous...
>
>
>
>
> Partners are the world's worst teachers, alas. As one who has
> tried to teach partners to ride, ski, dive, drive ... too hard!
>
>
>>>What I've done in the past with nervous riders is get them riding
>>>reasonably quickly, and ride beside them, and get them to
>>>(20km/h+) click out while not worrying about having to actually stop,
>>>and then click back in - this gets them used to the action without
>>>having
>>>to worry about actually stopping. If it helps, you can rest an
>>>arm on their shoulder when they do it (not necessary, but provides
>>>a mental aid more than anything real) My golden rule with cleats is
>>>"click
>>>out earlier than you think you need to". You can always click back
>>>in again and get going if the lights change!
>>>
>>
>>I like this idea - will try this when I get up enough confidence to even
>>think about using the cleats again - which won't be today...
>
>
> Suggestion - do it in this order
>
> Get up to speed - make it 25km/h. At this speed, you can roll for
> oh, 500m or so before you'll get unstable? Ages anyway ...
> click out with one foot while rolling. Don't even think about
> stopping etc .. just click out and then click back in again. With the
> bike going that fast, it'll be stable (you can get shoved in the hip at
> that
> speed and the bike will just wobble a bit).
>
> Once you get comfy doing that, do the other foot - it does help to be
> able
> to pull both feet out
>
> Then, once happy with that, take a foot out, wave the leg around, pop
> it
> back in again .. repeat until really annoying everyone with your
> showoff
> antics.
>
> Then, rolling along at 25km/h, unclip and *then* brake to stop. So
> you're already off the cleat before you think about stopping. Repeat
> .... As you
> get better at it, you can decrease the time you give yourself between
> unclipping and stopping. You'll pick it up in a flash.
>
>
>>The really stupid thing about it is that I know I can stop the bike and
>>track stand for a little while on my normal pedals - wouldn't even have
>>contemplated starting to use the cleats if I hadn't got to that point -
>>but when it came time to stop AND remove my foot from the cleat AND just
>>get it all together,
>
>
> Wrong order, that's why. Unclip, then stop, not stop, then unclip.
> Give
> yourself time to unclip! If you can trackstand, balance is not an
> issue,
> but time is.
>
>
>>it didn't happen - so I hurt myself and Dave's
>>yelling at me cos I scared him too
>
>
> There's that "partners make bad teachers" thing again!
>
> It was pretty windy out there too I'd bet? Doesn't help when you're
> learning a new skill.
>
Good advice. We will try this.
Dave
> Kathy wrote:
>
>>Bleve wrote:
>>
>>>Kathy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bleve wrote:
>>>>
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>Can I suggest that clipping in and out be done at the carpark
>>>just up behind the velodrone instead? It's flat. Dealing with
>>>a lean (even the slight 2 degrees or so at hwtn) is only going
>>>to make it harder.
>>>
>>
>>That was the theory behind moving onto the grass, in a low gear, so it
>>would be easier...
>
>
> Fatal mistake! You're going too slow on the grass, which means you
> have less time to unclip.
>
>
>
>>Very nervous - and with Dave there watching - more nervous...
>
>
>
>
> Partners are the world's worst teachers, alas. As one who has
> tried to teach partners to ride, ski, dive, drive ... too hard!
>
>
>>>What I've done in the past with nervous riders is get them riding
>>>reasonably quickly, and ride beside them, and get them to
>>>(20km/h+) click out while not worrying about having to actually stop,
>>>and then click back in - this gets them used to the action without
>>>having
>>>to worry about actually stopping. If it helps, you can rest an
>>>arm on their shoulder when they do it (not necessary, but provides
>>>a mental aid more than anything real) My golden rule with cleats is
>>>"click
>>>out earlier than you think you need to". You can always click back
>>>in again and get going if the lights change!
>>>
>>
>>I like this idea - will try this when I get up enough confidence to even
>>think about using the cleats again - which won't be today...
>
>
> Suggestion - do it in this order
>
> Get up to speed - make it 25km/h. At this speed, you can roll for
> oh, 500m or so before you'll get unstable? Ages anyway ...
> click out with one foot while rolling. Don't even think about
> stopping etc .. just click out and then click back in again. With the
> bike going that fast, it'll be stable (you can get shoved in the hip at
> that
> speed and the bike will just wobble a bit).
>
> Once you get comfy doing that, do the other foot - it does help to be
> able
> to pull both feet out
>
> Then, once happy with that, take a foot out, wave the leg around, pop
> it
> back in again .. repeat until really annoying everyone with your
> showoff
> antics.
>
> Then, rolling along at 25km/h, unclip and *then* brake to stop. So
> you're already off the cleat before you think about stopping. Repeat
> .... As you
> get better at it, you can decrease the time you give yourself between
> unclipping and stopping. You'll pick it up in a flash.
>
>
>>The really stupid thing about it is that I know I can stop the bike and
>>track stand for a little while on my normal pedals - wouldn't even have
>>contemplated starting to use the cleats if I hadn't got to that point -
>>but when it came time to stop AND remove my foot from the cleat AND just
>>get it all together,
>
>
> Wrong order, that's why. Unclip, then stop, not stop, then unclip.
> Give
> yourself time to unclip! If you can trackstand, balance is not an
> issue,
> but time is.
>
>
>>it didn't happen - so I hurt myself and Dave's
>>yelling at me cos I scared him too
>
>
> There's that "partners make bad teachers" thing again!
>
> It was pretty windy out there too I'd bet? Doesn't help when you're
> learning a new skill.
>
Good advice. We will try this.
Dave