They (CAS) are still deliberating and will hand down a finding in the next week or two....... this is in addition to Tyler trying to find his long lost brother separated at birth.....hombredesubaru said:Has anyone heard?
They presented evidence earlier in September but were supposed to be continuing and over by now?
Huh?
hombredesubaru said:Has anyone heard?
They presented evidence earlier in September but were supposed to be continuing and over by now?
Huh?
Agreed. I also don't think it helps him that Santiago Perez has disappeared to pasture to take his punishment rather than doing what Tyler is doing.JohnO said:Last I heard was on Sept 13. CAS stated that the arbitration was adjourned, to be resumed at a later (unspecified) date for the presentation of additional evidence and closing arguments.
He'll have to show a lot stronger evidence than he did at the original hearing to prevail. Based on what was said at the first hearing, his defence just didn't look very strong, and he couldn't back up the chimera/vanishing twin claim with any hard evidence. Subsequent blood tests were negative. The fact that two people on the same team were listed as positive by the test doesn't look good.
It's a shame. I didn't want to believe it, but so far he hasn't come up with anything that refutes the test, or offers a logical explanation for the results.
If you recall, Phonak had established a 5 member panel of experts to investigate the tests and results.patch70 said:Agreed. I also don't think it helps him that Santiago Perez has disappeared to pasture to take his punishment rather than doing what Tyler is doing.
whiteboytrash said:They (CAS) are still deliberating and will hand down a finding in the next week or two....... this is in addition to Tyler trying to find his long lost brother separated at birth.....
JohnO said:Sure looks that way. The story today does contribute one interesting tidbit - the test used to nail Hamilton and Santi Perez had not been subjected to a false positive study before it was put into use. A bit disconcerting, but by no means a condemnation. There appear to be enough secondar indications, especially the prior warnings, to back up the assertion. What was Hamilton thinking? That he could beat the system?
This does give one reason to pause and think - just what are the rules governing doping tests? The blood doping detection methods are interesting to read about, but with the EPO test looking a bit marginal after several false positives, and even WADA's own experts questioning it two years ago... who certifies doping tests as being valid, and what rules and oversight do they operate under?
If the cyclists are to be held in suspicion until proven otherwise, the tests and those administering them should be able to pass similar scrutiny.
Though I hate to disagree with you, the protocol(1) UCI/WADA uses isn't DNA based but uses antigen/antibodies(2).whiteboytrash said:The fact that Santi Perez has pleaded 'no contest' to his doping ban gives you a fair idea into the 'truth' behind the results..... Hamilton can try but this one test that will be very hard to disprove. DNA is DNA.
Also - GPs don't use this test or type of test. Mainly haematologists/oncologists and obstetricians. Just being pedantic.toa said:Though I hate to disagree with you, the protocol(1) UCI/WADA uses isn't DNA based but uses antigen/antibodies(2).
Free Tyler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!patch70 said:Also - GPs don't use this test or type of test. Mainly haematologists/oncologists and obstetricians. Just being pedantic.
Yes, they should have a 'nice guy' test done with every dope test. If you fail the dope test but pass as a 'nice guy' you should get let off.hombredesubaru said:Free Tyler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JohnO said:Sure looks that way. The story today does contribute one interesting tidbit - the test used to nail Hamilton and Santi Perez had not been subjected to a false positive study before it was put into use. A bit disconcerting, but by no means a condemnation. There appear to be enough secondar indications, especially the prior warnings, to back up the assertion. What was Hamilton thinking? That he could beat the system?
This does give one reason to pause and think - just what are the rules governing doping tests? The blood doping detection methods are interesting to read about, but with the EPO test looking a bit marginal after several false positives, and even WADA's own experts questioning it two years ago... who certifies doping tests as being valid, and what rules and oversight do they operate under?
If the cyclists are to be held in suspicion until proven otherwise, the tests and those administering them should be able to pass similar scrutiny.
hombredesubaru said:If Tyler was warned after the Tour of Romandie that his parameters were close to the limit etc etc...what are we to conclude.
There are really only two possibilities.
He was doping and not only was he doping but being reckless, stupid, and out of control.
Or that he was not doping and there was no way for him to control or explain the weird lab results.
I mean, Tyler is many things, but of the pro peloton I think he is one of the very few to have graduated from university. He is not flat out stupid. His judgement to have gone on and doped AFTER bigtime warnings to him and the team would defy all logic.
No, the point seems to be that it is not of of sheer ignorance that Tyler would continue doping, i.e. have warnings and not know from a factual basis or scientific basis that the gig was up.whiteboytrash said:It’s a well established fact that university graduates don’t use drugs or do anything stupid….. I love how when it comes to Tyler people throw logic out the window because he is a (supposed) nice guy….
bobke said:No, the point seems to be that it is not of of sheer ignorance that Tyler would continue doping, i.e. have warnings and not know from a factual basis or scientific basis that the gig was up.
But rather that to contiue doping in tha face of the warnings would have been beyond stupid and almost insane judgment, so that it seems even LESS likely not more likely that he in fact did dope.
bobke said:No, the point seems to be that it is not of of sheer ignorance that Tyler would continue doping, i.e. have warnings and not know from a factual basis or scientific basis that the gig was up.
But rather that to contiue doping in tha face of the warnings would have been beyond stupid and almost insane judgment, so that it seems even LESS likely not more likely that he in fact did dope.
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