Perhaps, but I'm coming back after a long time off so probably not.Originally Posted by bgoetz
Needmoreair, what team do you race with? Perhaps we have crossed paths at some point.
Perhaps, but I'm coming back after a long time off so probably not.Originally Posted by bgoetz
Needmoreair, what team do you race with? Perhaps we have crossed paths at some point.
Good point. In higher categories guys (and gals) have really honed in on what they need to do to be successful. If that FTP isn't high enough to stick a break or ride away on a longer climb, then energy conservation becomes that much more important so that when the opportunity comes they can utilize the strengths they do have.Originally Posted by bgoetz
All good advice here, basically FTP is a single gauge of relative fitness, but by no means the end all be all. I regularly get the sh!t kicked out of me in some super fast technical crits by guys who I am certain have a lower watt/kg FTP
Just a team.Originally Posted by bgoetz
So what team for this season or just unattached?
My issue is taking a 90 @ damn near 40mph and still having to close a gap. Do this enough and you run out of gas quickly. I tail gunned the last half of ElkGrove last year and afterwards a pretty successful guy commented on how strong I was to repeatedly close the gaps I was creating with a heavy ill timed brake hand. Didn't do much for my confidence after a less than desirable result. Figure I am going to spend this season on the MTB and see if that may help my confidence a bit, maybe return to the road next season. Or who knows, maybe endurance MTB is my thing and I will stick with that.
Where are you guys based?Originally Posted by needmoreair
Just a team.
I don't know, I don't think it'd be that big of a downer to hear that. I think that learning how to corner efficiently is a lot easier than training to get to such a level of fitness that you can still stick in there regardless. But everyone's a bit different. .
Six to eight weeks of 5, 2, 1 and 30 second intervals with minimal rest inbetween each and you'll be smashing that Cnut into the pavement. You are what you train for to a certain extent. If you have a big engine and good FTP then pulling up the power in the shorter efforts is just a matter of 6ish weeks of specific training away. See Andy Coggans pursuit training PowerPoint for a similar yet different example...bgoetz said:All good advice here, basically FTP is a single gauge of relative fitness, but by no means the end all be all. I regularly get the sh!t kicked out of me in some super fast technical crits by guys who I am certain have a lower watt/kg FTP
Reading what is written and responding accordingly with respect:Originally Posted by needmoreair
I don't respect your opinion because it's founded on your own imagination. As I mentioned before, you're the guy throwing out advice like "increase your cadence and improve your power output by 10%".
That's absurd.
And until you can actually read what's written and respond accordingly, there simply is no debate to be had. I don't know if you are genuinely misreading things or simply so enamored with this delusion of knowledge that you respond to things you think people are saying, but both are a waste of time.
I am not one to take sides, but this is just totally wrong, I have no idea where you got that information. If powermeters varied 10% with temperature they would be totally worthless. On top of this, most guys like myself would certainly take note of the 10% variation. I have NEVER gone out on a day and "said holy ****, I can pump out 10% more today"! I would notice a 4-5% fluctuation, and have not ever taken note of that. On the flip side I assume if you are going to make these claims, you will have no problem linking your supporting documentation.WillemJM said:To add to the above, 10% is not much. You can expect a 10% increase in power with doing nothing other than comparing Powertap readings with exactly the same effort, riding one day at 32F and the next at 80F due to the type of strain gauge they use. SRM is a little better, probably 8%. No matter how often you calibrate these units, the drift remains. We can go into exact factual details here if you want? Try and reply rather than being insulting to divert the discussion and avoiding the subject matter.
If I did not understand power meters, strain gauges etc., I probably would have been fired from my real job.Originally Posted by bgoetz
I am not one to take sides, but this is just totally wrong, I have no idea where you got that information. If powermeters varied 10% with temperature they would be totally worthless. On top of this, most guys like myself would certainly take note of the 10% variation. I have NEVER gone out on a day and "said holy ****, I can pump out 10% more today"! I would notice a 4-5% fluctuation, and have not ever taken note of that.
On the flip side I assume if you are going to make these claims, you will have no problem linking your supporting documentation.
Now I'm lost. First, I thought you were arguing that Felt could increase his FTP by 10% by increasing his cadence, a claim that I don't agree with anyway. Now, you are arguing that he will increase his FTP by 10% not due to increasing his cadence but due to power measurement error???Originally Posted by WillemJM
If I did not understand power meters, strain gauges etc., I probably would have been fired from my real job.
The Powertap guys are pretty honest, so the link is actually on their site.
http://www.powertap.com/blogs/train/8266769-accuracy-of-srm-and-powertap-power-monitoring-systems-for-bicycling
Us older riders have developed perceived effort over the years, i notice it immediately. This was the reason i did a bit of research, I noticed good days and bad days. Here in the South we can have winter the one day and summer the next.
What is so hard to understand?Originally Posted by RapDaddyo
Now I'm lost. First, I thought you were arguing that Felt could increase his FTP by 10% by increasing his cadence, a claim that I don't agree with anyway. Now, you are arguing that he will increase his FTP by 10% not due to increasing his cadence but due to power measurement error???
Oh, now I get it. Felt can increase his FTP by 10% if he increases his cadence and also increases the temperature so he can get the benefit of the power measurement error. Or, he could do his FTP test in a sauna and really get a bump.Originally Posted by WillemJM
What is so hard to understand?
Powertap reads 8% higher from 8C to 20C as tested from a link posted on the Powertap site?
So lets do it the American way. at 46.4F to 68F your powertap will read 8% higher.
So, without going into interpolation i did a rough estimate and stated from 32F to 80F it would read 10% higher. In fact it is a bit more, surely you do not want me to do the math? Why does that ruffle your feathers? Same question to BGoetz.
You guys crack me up and I would much rather be called a delusional idiot than not understanding the above.
It depends how long the test is in the Sauna. It could be a really bad bump to the hospital.Originally Posted by RapDaddyo
Oh, now I get it. Felt can increase his FTP by 10% if he increases his cadence and also increases the temperature so he can get the benefit of the power measurement error. Or, he could do his FTP test in a sauna and really get a bump.
Did you read the article?Originally Posted by bgoetz
From Quarqs website:
"Quarq power meters are highly engineered and feature multiple temperature compensation systems. From the intrinsically balanced strain gauge arrangement to clever measurement circuit design, temperature effects are isolated and eliminated at every step in the system."
Pretty sure all others are the same. DC rainmaker has noted drift, but nothing that isn't corrected by re zeroing.
Your annoying and are not even a good troll, at least AOG was slightly entertaining, I just feel sorry for you...
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