What presidential issue you prefer, bike facilities or gay marriage?



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donquijote1954

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How scandalous... You are peacefully riding a bike in Holland among
the beautiful gardens and all of a sudden you find this...

"a gay couple kissing in a flowery field."

Well, I hope you don't get offended by sexuality, which seems to be a
feature of Dutch democracy...

"Sexual democracy becomes central even more than religious freedom
when discussing the Dutch vision of democracy."

http://www.bidoun.com/issues/issue_10/05a_all.html

And I believe that the fact that the Greeks created democracy and that
they had very liberal views about sexuality is more than a historical
coincidence. Religious censorship and democracy are at odds. Real
democracy is built upon other issues that improve the quality of life
for all, for example fighting poverty or building BIKE FACILITIES,
another area where the Dutch excel.

"In the Gospels, Jesus himself never mentions homosexuality. And he
seldom even discusses sexual sin. In contrast, the Gospels are full of
Jesus' teachings against self-righteousness, greed, pride, bigotry,
sexism, racism, and hypocrisy. Like Amos and Isaiah before him, Jesus
roundly condemns the rich and powerful who exploit, cheat, or ignore
the poor. For Jesus, immorality had much more to do with economic
injustice than with sex. He taught a morality of love."

http://www.rmbowman.com/catholic/homosex2.htm

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Dave Larrington

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Presidential? Election?

Nope, don't get it.

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Mr. Charles Kennedy (Krankieburgh): Would the Prime Minister
care to comment on a report in today's Guardian that he: "arrived
late for a meeting with Jacques Chirac, smelling of alcohol, and
with body language suggesting a total disregard for the rights
of ethnic minorities, lone parents and laboratory animals"?
 
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spindrift

Guest
On 24 Jan, 08:57, "Dave Larrington" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Presidential?  Election?
>
> Nope, don't get it.
>
> --
> Dave Larrington
> <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
> Mr. Charles Kennedy (Krankieburgh): Would the Prime Minister
> care to comment on a report in today's Guardian that he: "arrived
> late for a meeting with Jacques Chirac, smelling of alcohol, and
> with body language suggesting a total disregard for the rights
> of ethnic minorities, lone parents and laboratory animals"?


When Lord Bedford re-planned Russell Square gardens to Humphrey
Repton's original design outraged letters were sent to him from the
gaymosexuals who said the bushes offered a splendid opportunity for
touching each others' bottoms and so on, and how dare he countenance
removing them. Jacqui Smith and her badly- packed kebab remain
curiously quiet on this issue.
 
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Jon

Guest
Is this about a presidential election in the Netherlands? Did you
mean to put it in uk.cycling ?
 
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donquijote1954

Guest
On Jan 24, 10:50 am, Jon <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is this about a presidential election in the Netherlands?  Did you
> mean to put it in uk.cycling ?


No, it's about the presidential elections in the US. More
specifically, about making BIKE FACILITIES a presidential issue,
instead of homosexuals and other red herrings.

Believe it or not, this country dictates the issues for the rest of
the world. And, needless to say, while billions of dollars are wasted
in fighting terrorism, there will be nothing left for bikes and other
real issues.
 
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donquijote1954

Guest
On Jan 24, 3:57 am, "Dave Larrington" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Presidential?  Election?
>
> Nope, don't get it.


Yep, it's a kind of show they put together every 4 years. Several
actors compete to play the main character. Of course, it's totally
fictitious.

Perhaps we can even suggest an act for the show called the "Dutch
package." Homosexual rights and bike facilities in one neat package.
Because what people care about homosexual rights if they don't get
something in return?
 
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DennisTheBald

Guest
presidential erections at bike facilities...

what does any of this have to do with the greeks? Good lord, of
course they were all gay, the men went around in dresses for crying
out loud.

Back to riding with a woody; not on a wedgie, that's fer sure.
 
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donquijote1954

Guest
On Jan 24, 1:27 pm, DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
> presidential erections at bike facilities...
>
> what does any of this have to do with the greeks?  Good lord, of
> course they were all gay, the men went around in dresses for crying
> out loud.
>
> Back to riding with a woody; not on a wedgie, that's fer sure.


It all fits one big picture... The Greeks invented gay liberation and
democracy (but not the bike), but the Dutch found a great use for gay
liberation, democracy and the bike, and America, well, America found
use for none. ;)

Afraid of being called names?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwEB2O3vVAc
 
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Amy Blankenship

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"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]m...
On Jan 24, 3:57 am, "Dave Larrington" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Presidential? Election?
>
> Nope, don't get it.


Yep, it's a kind of show they put together every 4 years. Several
actors compete to play the main character. Of course, it's totally
fictitious.

Perhaps we can even suggest an act for the show called the "Dutch
package." Homosexual rights and bike facilities in one neat package.
Because what people care about homosexual rights if they don't get
something in return?
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Don't you mean "in the end"? ;-)
 
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Jens Müller

Guest
donquijote1954 schrieb:
> How scandalous... You are peacefully riding a bike in Holland among
> the beautiful gardens and all of a sudden you find this...
>
> "a gay couple kissing in a flowery field."
>
> Well, I hope you don't get offended by sexuality, which seems to be a
> feature of Dutch democracy...
>
> "Sexual democracy becomes central even more than religious freedom
> when discussing the Dutch vision of democracy."
>
> http://www.bidoun.com/issues/issue_10/05a_all.html
>
> And I believe that the fact that the Greeks created democracy and that
> they had very liberal views about sexuality is more than a historical
> coincidence. Religious censorship and democracy are at odds. Real
> democracy is built upon other issues that improve the quality of life
> for all, for example fighting poverty or building BIKE FACILITIES,
> another area where the Dutch excel.


Real democracy is based on abolishing apartheid based on power source.
 
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Jens Müller

Guest
donquijote1954 schrieb:
> On Jan 24, 10:50 am, Jon <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Is this about a presidential election in the Netherlands? Did you
>> mean to put it in uk.cycling ?

>
> No, it's about the presidential elections in the US. More
> specifically, about making BIKE FACILITIES a presidential issue,
> instead of homosexuals and other red herrings.
>
> Believe it or not, this country dictates the issues for the rest of
> the world.


They don't dictate German laws regarding bike facilities.

http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1123.html

"Many German streets and sidewalks have dedicated bike lanes for use by
bicyclists. Pedestrians should be aware that bicycles have priority use
of these lanes and should be careful to observe whether any bicyclist is
approaching before crossing or stepping into the bike lane. Bicyclists
also have priority over cars turning onto side streets, and motorists
should always confirm whether a bicyclist is approaching from either
direction before attempting to enter side streets, even when the light
is in their favor. Motorists turning into a side street who hit a
bicyclist who is using a marked bike lane will be held responsible for
any injury or damage caused."
 
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donquijote1954

Guest
On Jan 24, 4:48 pm, Jens Müller <[email protected]> wrote:
> donquijote1954 schrieb:
>
>
>
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> > How scandalous... You are peacefully riding a bike in Holland among
> > the beautiful gardens and all of a sudden you find this...

>
> > "a gay couple kissing in a flowery field."

>
> > Well, I hope you don't get offended by sexuality, which seems to be a
> > feature of Dutch democracy...

>
> > "Sexual democracy becomes central even more than religious freedom
> > when discussing the Dutch vision of democracy."

>
> >http://www.bidoun.com/issues/issue_10/05a_all.html

>
> > And I believe that the fact that the Greeks created democracy and that
> > they had very liberal views about sexuality is more than a historical
> > coincidence. Religious censorship and democracy are at odds. Real
> > democracy is built upon other issues that improve the quality of life
> > for all, for example fighting poverty or building BIKE FACILITIES,
> > another area where the Dutch excel.

>
> Real democracy is based on abolishing apartheid based on power source.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


What you mean, that Holland or America practice apartheid? I think
America practices discrimination only...
 
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donquijote1954

Guest
On Jan 24, 2:59 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]m...
> On Jan 24, 3:57 am, "Dave Larrington" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Presidential? Election?

>
> > Nope, don't get it.

>
> Yep, it's a kind of show they put together every 4 years. Several
> actors compete to play the main character. Of course, it's totally
> fictitious.
>
> Perhaps we can even suggest an act for the show called the "Dutch
> package." Homosexual rights and bike facilities in one neat package.
> Because what people care about homosexual rights if they don't get
> something in return?
> -----------------------
>
> Don't you mean "in the end"?  ;-)


Don't know what you mean, but people gotta get something back "in the
end" or else they wouldn't vote for gay issues. Likewise, we can throw
in prostitution in the Dutch Package, so the streetwalkers get their
own place and some overdue recognizition.

Hey, should we also throw in weed...???
 
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Jens Müller

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donquijote1954 schrieb:

>> Real democracy is based on abolishing apartheid based on power source.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> What you mean, that Holland or America practice apartheid? I think
> America practices discrimination only...


The Netherlands do, from what I know.

The UK, e.g., does not.
 
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donquijote1954

Guest
On Jan 24, 5:23 pm, Jens Müller <[email protected]> wrote:
> donquijote1954 schrieb:
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> >> Real democracy is based on abolishing apartheid based on power source.-Hide quoted text -

>
> >> - Show quoted text -

>
> > What you mean, that Holland or America practice apartheid? I think
> > America practices discrimination only...

>
> The Netherlands do, from what I know.
>
> The UK, e.g., does not.


Well, if you have to fend for yourself on dangerous roads, then the
government is discriminating against you. This quote applies here...

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral." -Paulo
Freire

In other words, the cyclist is the powerless, whose power is next to
nothing. Sort of like an insect. You'll be lucky if the car doesn't
leave the scene, something very common.

But if you are separated by bike paths (not bike lanes) though it
constitutes apartheid, it's a welcome separation in order to gain
safety. The difference between discrimination and apartheid is
important. At least when it comes to bicycle riding.
 
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donquijote1954

Guest
Could the American Religious Right fit in Holland?

On Jan 24, 10:20 am, Bret Cahill <[email protected]> wrote:
> It'ld be a tight fit. They'ld have to lose some weight.
>
> Bret Cahill


For them to fit, they would have to ride bikes like the Dutch.

Their SUVs certainly won't fit.
 
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Tom Sherman

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donquijote1954 wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2:59 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]m...
>> On Jan 24, 3:57 am, "Dave Larrington" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Presidential? Election?
>>> Nope, don't get it.

>> Yep, it's a kind of show they put together every 4 years. Several
>> actors compete to play the main character. Of course, it's totally
>> fictitious.
>>
>> Perhaps we can even suggest an act for the show called the "Dutch
>> package." Homosexual rights and bike facilities in one neat package.
>> Because what people care about homosexual rights if they don't get
>> something in return?
>> -----------------------
>>
>> Don't you mean "in the end"? ;-)

>
> Don't know what you mean...
>

Whoosh! Think buggery.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth
 
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donquijote1954

Guest
On Jan 25, 11:20 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> > They would have to join Muslim fundamentalists in trying to ban all
> > kinds of sexual democracy. "Hey, banana should be taken off the
> > menu"... ;)

>
> > WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

>
> We have freedom of speech over here.
> So they could fit in.
> We still have a party in the Netherlands that bans women from being a
> candidate.
> So we are used to having nutcases around.
>
> Peter van Velzen
> January 2008
> Amstelveen
> The Netherlands- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


That's good, but here they run the show.

I wonder if the fact that the Pilgrims came from there has to with
Holland being too free?

'The Dutch have given many things to America: Easter eggs, Santa
Claus, waffles, sauerkraut, sleighing, skating, and a host of "vans"
and "velts" that helped to build our nation.1 But perhaps their
greatest contribution to America was the 11 years of freedom they gave
the Pilgrims -- crucial years that helped America's founding fathers
work out their philosophy of freedom and prepare for self-government
in the New World.'

http://www.theadvocates.org/freeman/8811petr.html
 
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donquijote1954

Guest
I'm not claiming "cause & effect," and perhaps some studies are
needed, but gays and bikes are related....

See, there's a couple of places many of you may be familiar with,
South Beach (Miami Beach) and Key West, both having a lot of room for
gays and bicycles. True, there's a hardly parking lots and distances
are short, but the fact remains that you can be a drag queen or
peacefully ride your bike. Or you can be a drag queen and ride a bike
at the same time.

The point is that FREEDOM IS FREEDOM, and that must be understood by
the Religious Right who vote against gays, but totally ignore "real
and present needs" like having bike facilities. Hey, both places can
claim to be Blue Cities (Democratic) as well. So the Dutch Package
(weed and prostitution included) stands as an issue for the 2008
presidential elections...

http://webspawner.com/users/elections2008