Originally Posted by Subliminal-SS
I Find training peaks online nice and easily accessible out and about. Do most of my pondering and planning at work don't get time at home. Single best feature I've unlocked however is the use of Virtual Training this winter. Had no idea I could use a generic power meter to drive Google Earth Rides or Real Life Videos.
http://virtualtraining.cycleops.com/
Completely revolutionised my Turbo Sessions which IMHO is one of the best uses of the power meter.
I use software that gives me the information I want.Originally Posted by scottz123
What kind of software have you been using? likes, dislikes, cost
New software? WKO has released years before you started trolling this board... I think the first version was out in 2002 or 2003. One of these days you'll actually post something that's factually correct. Just think, with WKO+ 4, there'll be lots of new concepts and terms for you to ***** about.An old Guy said:I use software that gives me the information I want. Golden Cheatah and PowerAgent do that. I like to see how much time I spend with my heart rate above LT. I like to see my power numbers for 10 minute intervals. I like to see my average power for a ride. --- There seems to be new software form the shill Andy Coggan and TrainingPeaks.com. I would stay away from anything that relates to that or the concepts of NP, TSS, CTL and what not. There is no science behind the concepts. But lots of hype.
What's even more ironic is the two software packages he does suggest both provide NP, IF and TSS, all copied from WKO+.Originally Posted by swampy1970
New software? WKO has released years before you started trolling this board... I think the first version was out in 2002 or 2003.Originally Posted by An old Guy
I use software that gives me the information I want.
Golden Cheatah and PowerAgent do that. I like to see how much time I spend with my heart rate above LT. I like to see my power numbers for 10 minute intervals. I like to see my average power for a ride.
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There seems to be new software form the shill Andy Coggan and TrainingPeaks.com. I would stay away from anything that relates to that or the concepts of NP, TSS, CTL and what not. There is no science behind the concepts. But lots of hype.
One of these days you'll actually post something that's factually correct.
Just think, with WKO+ 4, there'll be lots of new concepts and terms for you to ***** about.
If only there was such a thing as a troll - then I could take a picture of the sign at the zoo that says "don't feed the troll."maxroadrash said:Everytime someone quotes it feeds him. Don't.Â
They're not "copied form WKO+." The algorithms pre-dated WKO+.Originally Posted by Alex Simmons
What's even more ironic is the two software packages he does suggest both provide NP, IF and TSS, all copied from WKO+.
True. Replicates what WKO+ used first might have been a better choice of words. In Poweragent's case, fairly recently.Originally Posted by RChung
They're not "copied form WKO+." The algorithms pre-dated WKO+.Originally Posted by Alex Simmons
What's even more ironic is the two software packages he does suggest both provide NP, IF and TSS, all copied from WKO+.
Actually, they do not. Hunter and Kevin started developing the software in mid-2002, after attending the seminal power-based training symposium held in conjunction with the US Pro Championships/Liberty Classic in Philadelphia that summer. Hunter then reached out to me later that year to request my input and assistance, which led in January of 2003 to the conceptualization/development of normalized power/TSS/the PMC. Thus, while these ideas were first revealed on the wattage list on 3/13/2003 and the software wasn't unveiled until 8/5/2003, the program (then called CyclingPeaks) was built around them from the start.Originally Posted by RChung
They're not "copied form WKO+." The algorithms pre-dated WKO+.
Perhaps you have not read the post from TrainingPeaks.com. The one with the video of the shill, Andy Coggan, promoting ideas from the 80s. The one about the new software.Originally Posted by swampy1970
New software? WKO has released years before you started trolling this board... I think the first version was out in 2002 or 2003.
One of these days you'll actually post something that's factually correct.
Just think, with WKO+ 4, there'll be lots of new concepts and terms for you to ***** about.
The software packages provide some useful tools also. It is a lot like the internet: you get the bad with the good.Originally Posted by Alex Simmons
What's even more ironic is the two software packages he does suggest both provide NP, IF and TSS, all copied from WKO+.
So you rubbish one software because it includes such metrics, yet praise others even though they have the same metrics? Hypocrite.Originally Posted by An old Guy
The software packages provide some useful tools also. It is a lot like the internet: you get the bad with the good.Originally Posted by Alex Simmons
What's even more ironic is the two software packages he does suggest both provide NP, IF and TSS, all copied from WKO+.
They probably could. Phil already wrote a discussion paper on it many years ago.Originally Posted by An old Guy
I am sure that Andy Coggan and Philip Friere Skiba could comment on why TSS ( in PowerAgent) and Bikescore (in Golden Cheatah) are not the same. But neither has any scientific support.
I never rubbished nor trashed any software. I simply said which ones I used.Originally Posted by Alex Simmons
So you rubbish one software because it includes such metrics, yet praise others even though they have the same metrics? Hypocrite.
I agree it ywould help if the trolls went away. But I think we disagree over who the trolls are.Originally Posted by smaryka
Can you guys please stop feeding the forum troll please... put him on your ignored list and he might go away eventually.
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