The evidence indicated that people were over-estimating the duration of them....acoggan said:...those "magic" 40 s on, 20 s off intervals that were all the rage a couple of years ago? You don't seem to hear anything about them anymore...
I don't think so.Eldrack said:Maybe I am just being foolish .
I dono.Doctor Morbius said:Wasn't the Tabata method 20 s on and 10 s off? I only know of fitness types wanting the quick fix that use that one. Too much burn out and too demanding on the CNS if you ask me.
Judging by the wording of Andy's "question," (well, troll, really ) I'd guess he thinks they're a fad that's come and gone.AndROOb said:As a relative newcomer to cycle racing(2 yrs of TT's really), I find this change in training ideas very interesting. Would I be correct in thinking that these changes are refining and honing training technique, or is it still just another idea, or another way toward the same objective?
acoggan said:...those "magic" 40 s on, 20 s off intervals that were all the rage a couple of years ago? You don't seem to hear anything about them anymore...
frenchyge said:Judging by the wording of Andy's "question," (well, troll, really )
Interesting. It's as if those race courses were designed to be "just hard enough to separate the men from the boys" by creating a built-in selection process based on FT power. Whether they knew what they were doing at the time or not, the desired results must have been easy to see and predict.acoggan said:Anyway, while my initial post was really just a tease, the implications of the 2nd quote above are actually rather interesting to contemplate. Specifically, while the intensity isn't specified, the suggested work:rest ratio and total number of repetitions are such that the normalized power for each 10-20 min set would likely be close to functional threshold power. IOW, what is really being recommended is really just a "non-standard" level 4 workout somewhat akin to doing 15 s on/off microintervals. (It's also worth noting that 30-80 min of total training at this intensity is recommended, which is again consistent with general guidelines for level 4 sessions.)
frenchyge said:Interesting. It's as if those race courses were designed to be "just hard enough to separate the men from the boys" by creating a built-in selection process based on FT power. Whether they knew what they were doing at the time or not, the desired results must have been easy to see and predict.
My coach had me do these last spring:WarrenG said:Not really about FT power. They do one of those climbs and then may not do another for many minutes. FT is not what they train specifically for those climbs.
Here's one interval session my coach used to prescribe for Michele Bartoli when he was winning the WC overall two years in a row. 20" sprint uphill, rest 2-3', repeat, in sets of 3-4, total of 20. Sometimes the sprint is 30". Sound familiar?
velomanct said:My coach had me do these last spring:
30 sec sprint, 30 sec rest
repeat 6 times
I thought I was going to die.
Yeah, I had told my coach that I would never have 'my sprint' at the end of a race because I would be working to hard in the last kilo. So that's what the workout was intended to improve. Gawd I wish I could put down a typical sprint in a race finish, instead of only ~60%.WarrenG said:Those would be very hard, but they don't have enough rest to allow for quality sprints after the first one or two. Anaerobic capacity though, and that would help you in the final k of a race. Are anaerobic capacity intervals ever anything but really hard?
velomanct said:Yeah, I had told my coach that I would never have 'my sprint' at the end of a race because I would be working to hard in the last kilo. So that's what the workout was intended to improve. Gawd I wish I could put down a typical sprint in a race finish, instead of only ~60%.
The funny thing is, if I do a real 30 second hill sprint in training, I am completely trashed for the following half hour. So imagine doing another sprint after only 30 seconds recovery!
I figured out that it takes me a 60:1 ratio to recover from sprints. 60 secs recovery for every 1 sec sprinting.
The following is copied and pasted from a weight training web site but I think the content still applies.frenchyge said:Judging by the wording of Andy's "question," (well, troll, really ) I'd guess he thinks they're a fad that's come and gone.
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