What's the best mud tire for XC?

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  1. B. Sanders

    B. Sanders Guest

    Local trails can get sloppy sometimes with clay mud. It's slippery as ice, and likes to pack-up
    almost any kind of tire. My Hutch Pythons are great for everything except mud, so I need
    something better.

    I might want to try a bigger tire, say 2.3" wide; but don't want anything over 850 grams (unless
    it's by far the best choice). A lightweight mud-shedding all-around XC performance tire is what I'm
    looking for. Should be decent on hardpack, soft sandy dirt, grass, roots and rockfields too. Speeds
    will not be high, so that's not an issue.

    These tires appear to be good candidates:

    Kenda Kenetics 2.35 (735gm, nice and cheap) Maxxis Mofo 2.35 (a little heavy at 1006gm) WTB
    Mutanoraptor 2.4 (recommended to me) Intense System 4 2.25 (mud tire?) WTB Velociraptor 2.1 (classic
    all-conditions XC) Panaracer FireXC Pro (best all-around, not a mud tire)

    I'm sure there are others. I've seen most of these on sale from various web catalogs (Nashbar,
    Supergo, JensonUSA, etc). The Kenda Kenetics 2.35's are OEM on quite a few bikes, which makes me
    think they're a good choice. Also, at $19.95/ea from Supergo, they're a bargain.

    What's your favorite mud-loving XC tire?

    TIA,

    Barry
     
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  2. Barn Barn

    Barn Barn Guest

    I'm not sure about the rest of them but I doubt you could go wrong with the mofo.

    In article <[email protected]>, "B. Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Local trails can get sloppy sometimes with clay mud. It's slippery as ice, and likes to pack-up
    >almost any kind of tire. My Hutch Pythons are great for everything except mud, so I need
    >something better.
    >
    >I might want to try a bigger tire, say 2.3" wide; but don't want anything over 850 grams (unless
    >it's by far the best choice). A lightweight mud-shedding all-around XC performance tire is what I'm
    >looking for. Should be decent on hardpack, soft sandy dirt, grass, roots and rockfields too. Speeds
    >will not be high, so that's not an issue.
    >
    >These tires appear to be good candidates:
    >
    >Kenda Kenetics 2.35 (735gm, nice and cheap) Maxxis Mofo 2.35 (a little heavy at 1006gm) WTB
    >Mutanoraptor 2.4 (recommended to me) Intense System 4 2.25 (mud tire?) WTB Velociraptor 2.1
    >(classic all-conditions XC) Panaracer FireXC Pro (best all-around, not a mud tire)
    >
    >I'm sure there are others. I've seen most of these on sale from various web catalogs (Nashbar,
    >Supergo, JensonUSA, etc). The Kenda Kenetics 2.35's are OEM on quite a few bikes, which makes me
    >think they're a good choice. Also, at $19.95/ea from Supergo, they're a bargain.
    >
    >What's your favorite mud-loving XC tire?
    >
    >TIA,
    >
    >Barry
    >
    >
    >
    >
     
  3. Chris

    Chris Guest

    "B. Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Local trails can get sloppy sometimes with clay mud. It's slippery as ice, and likes to pack-up
    > almost any kind of tire. My Hutch Pythons are great
    for
    > everything except mud, so I need something better.
    >
    > I might want to try a bigger tire, say 2.3" wide; but don't want anything over 850 grams (unless
    > it's by far the best choice). A lightweight mud-shedding all-around XC performance tire is what
    > I'm looking for.
    Should
    > be decent on hardpack, soft sandy dirt, grass, roots and rockfields too. Speeds will not be high,
    > so that's not an issue.
    >
    > These tires appear to be good candidates:
    >
    > Kenda Kenetics 2.35 (735gm, nice and cheap) Maxxis Mofo 2.35 (a little heavy at 1006gm) WTB
    > Mutanoraptor 2.4 (recommended to me) Intense System 4 2.25 (mud tire?) WTB Velociraptor 2.1
    > (classic all-conditions XC) Panaracer FireXC Pro (best all-around, not a mud tire)
    >
    > I'm sure there are others. I've seen most of these on sale from various
    web
    > catalogs (Nashbar, Supergo, JensonUSA, etc). The Kenda Kenetics 2.35's
    are
    > OEM on quite a few bikes, which makes me think they're a good choice.
    Also,
    > at $19.95/ea from Supergo, they're a bargain.
    >
    > What's your favorite mud-loving XC tire?
    >
    > TIA,
    >
    > Barry

    If you've been happy with Hutchy tires, look at the Mosquitoes. They have big, widely spaced knobs
    that shed mud real well (not extra-thick sludge...that sticks in anyhting), they corner better than
    I had expected when on hardpack, roll better than I had expected, and the tread is holding up very
    well. I've been using the UST version, but the vitals should be similar.

    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product.asp?number=39432 http://pricepoint.com/product47.html
    http://pricepoint.com/product1068.html

    Chris
     
  4. B. Sanders

    B. Sanders Guest

    "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "B. Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > Local trails can get sloppy sometimes with clay mud. It's slippery as
    ice,
    > > and likes to pack-up almost any kind of tire. My Hutch Pythons are great
    > for
    > > everything except mud, so I need something better.
    > >
    > > I might want to try a bigger tire, say 2.3" wide; but don't want
    anything
    > > over 850 grams (unless it's by far the best choice). A lightweight mud-shedding all-around XC
    > > performance tire is what I'm looking for.
    > Should
    > > be decent on hardpack, soft sandy dirt, grass, roots and rockfields too. Speeds will not be
    > > high, so that's not an issue.
    > >
    > > These tires appear to be good candidates:
    > >
    > > Kenda Kenetics 2.35 (735gm, nice and cheap) Maxxis Mofo 2.35 (a little heavy at 1006gm) WTB
    > > Mutanoraptor 2.4 (recommended to me) Intense System 4 2.25 (mud tire?) WTB Velociraptor 2.1
    > > (classic all-conditions XC) Panaracer FireXC Pro (best all-around, not a mud tire)
    > >
    > > I'm sure there are others. I've seen most of these on sale from various
    > web
    > > catalogs (Nashbar, Supergo, JensonUSA, etc). The Kenda Kenetics 2.35's
    > are
    > > OEM on quite a few bikes, which makes me think they're a good choice.
    > Also,
    > > at $19.95/ea from Supergo, they're a bargain.
    > >
    > > What's your favorite mud-loving XC tire?
    > >
    > > TIA,
    > >
    > > Barry
    >
    > If you've been happy with Hutchy tires, look at the Mosquitoes. They have big, widely spaced knobs
    > that shed mud real well (not extra-thick sludge...that sticks in anyhting), they corner better
    > than I had expected when on hardpack, roll better than I had expected, and the tread is
    holding
    > up very well. I've been using the UST version, but the vitals should be similar.
    >
    > http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product.asp?number=39432 http://pricepoint.com/product47.html
    > http://pricepoint.com/product1068.html

    Thanks Chris. Have you had any problem with knobs ripping off of your Mosquitos? I've heard that
    complaint a time or two. Otherwise, they look pretty sweet. I wish they had a little more air volume
    (based on what I've seen, anyway). Good sale prices on Mosquitos right now, and that's *always* a
    good thing!

    -Barry
     
  5. John G

    John G Guest

    Continental Survival Pro 2.3!
     
  6. ClydesdaleMTB says:

    >Continental Survival Pro 2.3!

    It would _have_ to be called "Survival" to last on one of your bikes

    ;-)

    Steve
     
  7. Lightweight

    Lightweight Guest

    "John G" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Continental Survival Pro 2.3!
    >

    I agree, I have the 2.1 on my bike and it makes one kick ass rear tire, might be a bit over board
    for the front though. They won't slip on anything except the rare wet root on a STEEP incline. I've
    powered up 10% grade (wet) rock gardens no problem, and this is hammering the pedals, not spinning.
    Plus, they look cool, and you can get them for around $25. They will save you a lot of bashed knees
    when your rear wheel slips on the hills. Plus, it is amazing how quickly the mud flies off these
    things, better than eggs on teflon. And you're not gonna have mud in your eyes like my Bontragers,
    just all over your legs =).
     
  8. Chris

    Chris Guest

    "B. Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "B. Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > > Local trails can get sloppy sometimes with clay mud. It's slippery as
    > ice,
    > > > and likes to pack-up almost any kind of tire. My Hutch Pythons are
    great
    > > for
    > > > everything except mud, so I need something better.
    > > >
    > > > I might want to try a bigger tire, say 2.3" wide; but don't want
    > anything
    > > > over 850 grams (unless it's by far the best choice). A lightweight mud-shedding all-around XC
    > > > performance tire is what I'm looking for.
    > > Should
    > > > be decent on hardpack, soft sandy dirt, grass, roots and rockfields
    too.
    > > > Speeds will not be high, so that's not an issue.
    > > >
    > > > These tires appear to be good candidates:
    > > >
    > > > Kenda Kenetics 2.35 (735gm, nice and cheap) Maxxis Mofo 2.35 (a little heavy at 1006gm) WTB
    > > > Mutanoraptor 2.4 (recommended to me) Intense System 4 2.25 (mud tire?) WTB Velociraptor 2.1
    > > > (classic all-conditions XC) Panaracer FireXC Pro (best all-around, not a mud tire)
    > > >
    > > > I'm sure there are others. I've seen most of these on sale from
    various
    > > web
    > > > catalogs (Nashbar, Supergo, JensonUSA, etc). The Kenda Kenetics
    2.35's
    > > are
    > > > OEM on quite a few bikes, which makes me think they're a good choice.
    > > Also,
    > > > at $19.95/ea from Supergo, they're a bargain.
    > > >
    > > > What's your favorite mud-loving XC tire?
    > > >
    > > > TIA,
    > > >
    > > > Barry
    > >
    > > If you've been happy with Hutchy tires, look at the Mosquitoes. They
    have
    > > big, widely spaced knobs that shed mud real well (not extra-thick sludge...that sticks in
    > > anyhting), they corner better than I had
    expected
    > > when on hardpack, roll better than I had expected, and the tread is
    > holding
    > > up very well. I've been using the UST version, but the vitals should be similar.
    > >
    > > http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product.asp?number=39432 http://pricepoint.com/product47.html
    > > http://pricepoint.com/product1068.html
    >
    > Thanks Chris. Have you had any problem with knobs ripping off of your Mosquitos? I've heard that
    > complaint a time or two. Otherwise, they look pretty sweet. I wish they had a little more air
    > volume (based on what
    I've
    > seen, anyway). Good sale prices on Mosquitos right now, and that's
    *always*
    > a good thing!
    >
    > -Barry

    I have a couple hundred miles on my Mosquitoes; and, because they were my only set of tubeless
    tires for a while, they have quite a bit of road miles on them too. Like I said earlier, I am real
    impressed with the tread wear. All knobs are intact, and they look pretty new. If they rolled
    faster (they are a mud tire after all) I wouldn't even be swapping them off for the Seracs...and I
    love Seracs.

    Do bear in mind I am running the UST version, so the rubber compound is a bit different (anyone
    have solid info?) than tubed versions. All Hutchy tires in the Airlight series are weak - they
    trade durability for ~20 grams of weight savings. If you get regular or Gold Mosuitoes you'll
    probably be alright.

    Chris
     
  9. John G

    John G Guest

    Lightweight wrote:
    > "John G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>Continental Survival Pro 2.3!
    > I agree, I have the 2.1 on my bike and it makes one kick ass rear tire, might be a bit over board
    > for the front though.

    Sorry, I should have clarified.... I run a 2.1" Survival ProTection in the rear, and a 2.3" Survival
    Rro in the front. (They dont make a ProTection in the 2.3" size)
     
  10. Leo

    Leo Guest

    "John G" <[email protected]> wrote news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > Lightweight wrote:
    > > "John G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >>Continental Survival Pro 2.3!
    > > I agree, I have the 2.1 on my bike and it makes one kick ass rear tire, might be a bit over
    > > board for the front though.
    >
    > Sorry, I should have clarified.... I run a 2.1" Survival ProTection in the rear, and a 2.3"
    > Survival Rro in the front. (They dont make a ProTection in the 2.3" size)
    >
    >

    Yes they do, the Survival ProTection is available in 2.3" size also. http://www.contitires.com/

    /Leo
     
  11. John G

    John G Guest

    Leo wrote:
    > "John G" <[email protected]> wrote news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>
    >>Lightweight wrote:
    >>
    >>>"John G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>
    >>>>Continental Survival Pro 2.3!
    >>>
    >>>I agree, I have the 2.1 on my bike and it makes one kick ass rear tire, might be a bit over board
    >>>for the front though.
    >>
    >>Sorry, I should have clarified.... I run a 2.1" Survival ProTection in the rear, and a 2.3"
    >>Survival Rro in the front. (They dont make a ProTection in the 2.3" size)
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    > Yes they do, the Survival ProTection is available in 2.3" size also. http://www.contitires.com/

    Well, they didn't last year ;-( or I would be runnin it now.
     
  12. Westie

    Westie Guest

    "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "B. Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > "B. Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Local trails can get sloppy sometimes with clay mud. It's slippery
    as
    > > ice,
    > > > > and likes to pack-up almost any kind of tire. My Hutch Pythons are
    > great
    > > > for
    > > > > everything except mud, so I need something better.
    > > > >
    > > > > I might want to try a bigger tire, say 2.3" wide; but don't want
    > > anything
    > > > > over 850 grams (unless it's by far the best choice). A lightweight mud-shedding all-around
    > > > > XC performance tire is what I'm looking for.
    > > > Should
    > > > > be decent on hardpack, soft sandy dirt, grass, roots and rockfields
    > too.
    > > > > Speeds will not be high, so that's not an issue.
    > > > >
    > > > > These tires appear to be good candidates:
    > > > >
    > > > > Kenda Kenetics 2.35 (735gm, nice and cheap) Maxxis Mofo 2.35 (a little heavy at 1006gm) WTB
    > > > > Mutanoraptor 2.4 (recommended to me) Intense System 4 2.25 (mud tire?) WTB Velociraptor 2.1
    > > > > (classic all-conditions XC) Panaracer FireXC Pro (best all-around, not a mud tire)
    > > > >
    > > > > I'm sure there are others. I've seen most of these on sale from
    > various
    > > > web
    > > > > catalogs (Nashbar, Supergo, JensonUSA, etc). The Kenda Kenetics
    > 2.35's
    > > > are
    > > > > OEM on quite a few bikes, which makes me think they're a good
    choice.
    > > > Also,
    > > > > at $19.95/ea from Supergo, they're a bargain.
    > > > >
    > > > > What's your favorite mud-loving XC tire?
    > > > >
    > > > > TIA,
    > > > >
    > > > > Barry
    > > >
    > > > If you've been happy with Hutchy tires, look at the Mosquitoes. They
    > have
    > > > big, widely spaced knobs that shed mud real well (not extra-thick sludge...that sticks in
    > > > anyhting), they corner better than I had
    > expected
    > > > when on hardpack, roll better than I had expected, and the tread is
    > > holding
    > > > up very well. I've been using the UST version, but the vitals should
    be
    > > > similar.
    > > >
    > > > http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product.asp?number=39432 http://pricepoint.com/product47.html
    > > > http://pricepoint.com/product1068.html
    > >
    > > Thanks Chris. Have you had any problem with knobs ripping off of your Mosquitos? I've heard that
    > > complaint a time or two. Otherwise, they
    look
    > > pretty sweet. I wish they had a little more air volume (based on what
    > I've
    > > seen, anyway). Good sale prices on Mosquitos right now, and that's
    > *always*
    > > a good thing!
    > >
    > > -Barry
    >
    > I have a couple hundred miles on my Mosquitoes; and, because they were my only set of tubeless
    > tires for a while, they have quite a bit of road
    miles
    > on them too. Like I said earlier, I am real impressed with the tread
    wear.
    > All knobs are intact, and they look pretty new. If they rolled faster
    (they
    > are a mud tire after all) I wouldn't even be swapping them off for the Seracs...and I love Seracs.
    >
    > Do bear in mind I am running the UST version, so the rubber compound is a bit different (anyone
    > have solid info?) than tubed versions. All Hutchy tires in the Airlight series are weak - they
    > trade durability for ~20
    grams
    > of weight savings. If you get regular or Gold Mosuitoes you'll probably
    be
    > alright.
    >
    > Chris

    I've got a few hundred km's on my Mosquitos. I like them. Good and grippy in the muck, shed mud
    nicely. Work well on the gravel, hardpack and dry too. As Chris said, better than I'd have expected
    on the hardpack. One thing that I don't like is I often ride 5-10km's on tarmac from the house to
    get to the trails. The tyres don't like that and are wearing fast. While the knobs aren't ripping
    off like some have said, they are wearing very fast. Especially because the tarmac on these roads
    uses a large grade chip and is very coarse. I've also had some issues with the 'Airlight'
    construction that the Hutchy tyres use. I was destroying Pythons fast due to sidewall damage but the
    Mosquitos have been 100% OK so far. If nothingelse, try them. I don't think that you could go far
    wrong with them.
    --
    Westie
     
  13. MTBScottie

    MTBScottie Guest

    "B. Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Local trails can get sloppy sometimes with clay mud. It's slippery as ice, and likes to pack-up
    > almost any kind of tire. My Hutch Pythons are great for everything except mud, so I need
    > something better.
    >
    > I might want to try a bigger tire, say 2.3" wide; but don't want anything over 850 grams (unless
    > it's by far the best choice). A lightweight mud-shedding all-around XC performance tire is what
    > I'm looking for. Should be decent on hardpack, soft sandy dirt, grass, roots and rockfields too.
    > Speeds will not be high, so that's not an issue.
    >
    > These tires appear to be good candidates:
    >
    > Kenda Kenetics 2.35 (735gm, nice and cheap) Maxxis Mofo 2.35 (a little heavy at 1006gm) WTB
    > Mutanoraptor 2.4 (recommended to me) Intense System 4 2.25 (mud tire?) WTB Velociraptor 2.1
    > (classic all-conditions XC) Panaracer FireXC Pro (best all-around, not a mud tire)
    >
    > I'm sure there are others. I've seen most of these on sale from various web catalogs (Nashbar,
    > Supergo, JensonUSA, etc). The Kenda Kenetics 2.35's are OEM on quite a few bikes, which makes me
    > think they're a good choice. Also, at $19.95/ea from Supergo, they're a bargain.
    >
    > What's your favorite mud-loving XC tire?
    >
    > TIA,
    >
    > Barry

    I see others have recommended the Hutchinson Mosquito; I have them on my Giant Rainier and can't say
    they're all that great in mud. My single speed came with IRC Serac XC, and they are the best tires I
    have ever ridden. It's been more then muddy here in the Northeast, and they carry me right through
    the longest mud run you can find without slipping or missing a beat. I can't say the same for the
    Hutchinsons.
     
  14. Kayak777

    Kayak777 Guest

    I'll second that. I have a Survival Pro 2.3 on the back and a Vertical Pro 2.3 on the front.Only
    thing I've found that gives better traction on wet roots/leaves are my studded Nokian extremes, but
    they aren't as good at shedding mud.

    John G wrote:

    > Continental Survival Pro 2.3!
     
  15. [email protected] wrote:
    > My single speed came with IRC Serac XC, and they are the best tires I have ever ridden. It's been
    > more then muddy here in the Northeast, and they carry me right through the longest mud run you can
    > find without slipping or missing a beat.

    I must concur to a large degree.. when I got my redline I took one look at teh stock the IRC Sreac
    XC's and said "yeah right" those'll last abotu 2 rides" much to my chargrin they have proven to me
    great tires in most all condiotions I've encountered, especially Floridian sand.

    The one failing was in that really sticky nasty slimy Tennesse muck you encouter when you get near
    the Mississippi River.
     
  16. ClydesdaleMTB wrote:
    >
    >
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >> My single speed came with IRC Serac XC, and they are the best tires I have ever ridden. It's been
    >> more then muddy here in the Northeast, and they carry me right through the longest mud run you
    >> can find without slipping or missing a beat.
    >
    >
    > I must concur to a large degree.. when I got my redline I took one look at teh stock the IRC Sreac
    > XC's and said "yeah right" those'll last abotu 2 rides" much to my chargrin they have proven to me
    > great tires in most all condiotions I've encountered, especially Floridian sand.
    >
    > The one failing was in that really sticky nasty slimy Tennesse muck you encouter when you get
    > near the Mississippi River.

    I forgot to mention, I think thye would be really sweet in a 2.3" especially on a rigid SS ;-)
     
  17. Chris

    Chris Guest

    "ClydesdaleMTB" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > ClydesdaleMTB wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >> My single speed came with IRC Serac XC, and they are the best tires I have ever ridden. It's
    > >> been more then muddy here in the Northeast, and they carry me right through the longest mud run
    > >> you can find without slipping or missing a beat.
    > >
    > >
    > > I must concur to a large degree.. when I got my redline I took one look at teh stock the IRC
    > > Sreac XC's and said "yeah right" those'll last abotu 2 rides" much to my chargrin they have
    > > proven to me great tires in most all condiotions I've encountered, especially Floridian sand.
    > >
    > > The one failing was in that really sticky nasty slimy Tennesse muck you encouter when you get
    > > near the Mississippi River.
    >
    >
    > I forgot to mention, I think thye would be really sweet in a 2.3" especially on a rigid SS ;-)

    I've been wanking the Seracs for quite a while now...they kick major ass. I did find they lacked a
    bit in sloppy winter slush; hence, Hutchy Mosquitoes. Otherwise, as I've said before, it's all about
    the Seracs baby.

    Do you think 2.3 would be a good idea for the Seracs? Seems like a tire designed to have very little
    rolling resistance - like the Serac - would be hampered by the extra "inherent slowness" of a widrer
    tire. Of course, it would be faster than other 2.3 inchers...

    Chris
     
  18. Chris wrote:
    > "ClydesdaleMTB" wrote in message
    >>I forgot to mention, I think thye would be really sweet in a 2.3" especially on a rigid SS ;-)

    > Do you think 2.3 would be a good idea for the Seracs? Seems like a tire designed to have very
    > little rolling resistance - like the Serac - would be hampered by the extra "inherent slowness" of
    > a widrer tire. Of course, it would be faster than other 2.3 inchers...

    I'm referring specificly for SS use, there a bit of extra volume and profile would be a welcomed
    thing, not only to really lean it over when railing through the corners, but to take a bit of the
    "bite" out of riding a fully rigid.
     
  19. crazy6r54

    crazy6r54 Guest

    I say IRC KUJO becuase I just put them to the test. Its rainned for 24 hours. Well just 7 hours
    after the rain stopped I went racing. Muddy trails and axel deep water. 30 bucks in fees and I came
    away with a First Place Medal to hang around my neck or may be the wall. SLACKER thank you for
    those KUJO.

    Fire up MTB 03
     
  20. Gabrielle

    Gabrielle Guest

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:29:47 -0700, B. Sanders wrote:

    > Local trails can get sloppy sometimes with clay mud. It's slippery as ice, and likes to pack-up
    > almost any kind of tire. My Hutch Pythons are great for everything except mud, so I need
    > something better.

    My conti verts shed Oregon & Colorado mud pretty well.

    gabrielle
     
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