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kingsley
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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:26:55 +1000, Tazza wrote:
> What should I use ?
What should *you* use, I dunno.
What I do is:
Soak chain in kerosine overnight, or if I'm in a
hurry, an hour or so, but agitating it constantly
(or maybe that should be occasionally).
While it's soaking, clean the cogs on my bike.
I like to pay special attention to the small ones in the
rear derailleur, and since mine are cheap and have no
ball-bearings, I pull them apart and re-grease them.
Brush out the chain links with your SO's toothbrush.
You can get a fair idea on how much crud has come off
by the colour the kero' becomes, and the grit that sinks
to the bottom of the container.
Hang it up to drip for a bit, wipe it over, and replace
on bike. Lube it up in-situ with some expensive
chain-lube from your LBS (I'm gonna start using motor
oil (or lanoline oil) when my current supplies run out).
Let that soak in for a while, lube again, wait.
Wipe off excess lube.
Ensure there's no lube on your braking surfaces.
-kt
PS> I've read good things about using those ultrasonic
jewelery cleaners && bike chains. Haven't tried it yet.
--
Kingsley Turner,
(mailto: [email protected])
http://MadDogsBreakfast.com/ABFAQ - news:aus.bicycle Frequenly Asked Questions
> What should I use ?
What should *you* use, I dunno.
What I do is:
Soak chain in kerosine overnight, or if I'm in a
hurry, an hour or so, but agitating it constantly
(or maybe that should be occasionally).
While it's soaking, clean the cogs on my bike.
I like to pay special attention to the small ones in the
rear derailleur, and since mine are cheap and have no
ball-bearings, I pull them apart and re-grease them.
Brush out the chain links with your SO's toothbrush.
You can get a fair idea on how much crud has come off
by the colour the kero' becomes, and the grit that sinks
to the bottom of the container.
Hang it up to drip for a bit, wipe it over, and replace
on bike. Lube it up in-situ with some expensive
chain-lube from your LBS (I'm gonna start using motor
oil (or lanoline oil) when my current supplies run out).
Let that soak in for a while, lube again, wait.
Wipe off excess lube.
Ensure there's no lube on your braking surfaces.
-kt
PS> I've read good things about using those ultrasonic
jewelery cleaners && bike chains. Haven't tried it yet.
--
Kingsley Turner,
(mailto: [email protected])
http://MadDogsBreakfast.com/ABFAQ - news:aus.bicycle Frequenly Asked Questions
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John Henderson
Guest
"kingsley" wrote:
> PS> I've read good things about using those ultrasonic
> jewelery cleaners && bike chains. Haven't tried it yet.
I recently bought one from Jaycar, http://tinyurl.com/67dam to
clean my chains. It certainly got more gunk out of a chain
that I had previously washed thoroughly in turps.
John
> PS> I've read good things about using those ultrasonic
> jewelery cleaners && bike chains. Haven't tried it yet.
I recently bought one from Jaycar, http://tinyurl.com/67dam to
clean my chains. It certainly got more gunk out of a chain
that I had previously washed thoroughly in turps.
John
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Ray
Guest
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> "kingsley" wrote:
>
> > PS> I've read good things about using those ultrasonic
> > jewelery cleaners && bike chains. Haven't tried it yet.
>
> I recently bought one from Jaycar, http://tinyurl.com/67dam to
> clean my chains. It certainly got more gunk out of a chain
> that I had previously washed thoroughly in turps.
>
Yes, I've been doing the same the last few times I've cleaned my chain.
I now find I'm not happy putting the chain back on until the kero stays
clean after a sonic treatment. Usually 4-5 goes gets it right, and you
really don't use all that much solvent, just enough to cover the chain
which you lay flat in the tub, which just about fills the tub to start
with.
What we really need is an ultrasonic bath built into the chain to keep
the gunk out to start with
Cheers Ray
says...
> "kingsley" wrote:
>
> > PS> I've read good things about using those ultrasonic
> > jewelery cleaners && bike chains. Haven't tried it yet.
>
> I recently bought one from Jaycar, http://tinyurl.com/67dam to
> clean my chains. It certainly got more gunk out of a chain
> that I had previously washed thoroughly in turps.
>
Yes, I've been doing the same the last few times I've cleaned my chain.
I now find I'm not happy putting the chain back on until the kero stays
clean after a sonic treatment. Usually 4-5 goes gets it right, and you
really don't use all that much solvent, just enough to cover the chain
which you lay flat in the tub, which just about fills the tub to start
with.
What we really need is an ultrasonic bath built into the chain to keep
the gunk out to start with
Cheers Ray
J
John Henderson
Guest
"Ray" wrote:
> Yes, I've been doing the same the last few times I've cleaned
> my chain. I now find I'm not happy putting the chain back on
> until the kero stays clean after a sonic treatment. Usually
> 4-5 goes gets it right, and you really don't use all that much
> solvent, just enough to cover the chain which you lay flat in
> the tub, which just about fills the tub to start with.
Do you use kero in the ultrasonic unit? I use a little
truckwash detergent in water. I wasn't sure whether a mineral
solvent would produce the cavitation (bubble formation)
required.
John
> Yes, I've been doing the same the last few times I've cleaned
> my chain. I now find I'm not happy putting the chain back on
> until the kero stays clean after a sonic treatment. Usually
> 4-5 goes gets it right, and you really don't use all that much
> solvent, just enough to cover the chain which you lay flat in
> the tub, which just about fills the tub to start with.
Do you use kero in the ultrasonic unit? I use a little
truckwash detergent in water. I wasn't sure whether a mineral
solvent would produce the cavitation (bubble formation)
required.
John
R
Ray
Guest
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> "Ray" wrote:
>
> > Yes, I've been doing the same the last few times I've cleaned
> > my chain. I now find I'm not happy putting the chain back on
> > until the kero stays clean after a sonic treatment. Usually
> > 4-5 goes gets it right, and you really don't use all that much
> > solvent, just enough to cover the chain which you lay flat in
> > the tub, which just about fills the tub to start with.
>
> Do you use kero in the ultrasonic unit? I use a little
> truckwash detergent in water. I wasn't sure whether a mineral
> solvent would produce the cavitation (bubble formation)
> required.
>
Yup, kero's what I wrote and use
The gunge only comes out after activitating the unit, so it 'does get
in' just like the toothpaste ads say.
Cheers Ray
says...
> "Ray" wrote:
>
> > Yes, I've been doing the same the last few times I've cleaned
> > my chain. I now find I'm not happy putting the chain back on
> > until the kero stays clean after a sonic treatment. Usually
> > 4-5 goes gets it right, and you really don't use all that much
> > solvent, just enough to cover the chain which you lay flat in
> > the tub, which just about fills the tub to start with.
>
> Do you use kero in the ultrasonic unit? I use a little
> truckwash detergent in water. I wasn't sure whether a mineral
> solvent would produce the cavitation (bubble formation)
> required.
>
Yup, kero's what I wrote and use
The gunge only comes out after activitating the unit, so it 'does get
in' just like the toothpaste ads say.
Cheers Ray
H
hippy
Guest
"Ray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> The gunge only comes out after activitating the unit, so it 'does get
> in' just like the toothpaste ads say.
Ultrasonic cleaners?!
My bike is lucky if it gets squirted with left-over
bidon mould!
Are these units expensive? Do they vibrate
the **** off the chain?
hippy
> The gunge only comes out after activitating the unit, so it 'does get
> in' just like the toothpaste ads say.
Ultrasonic cleaners?!
My bike is lucky if it gets squirted with left-over
bidon mould!
Are these units expensive? Do they vibrate
the **** off the chain?
hippy
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John Henderson
Guest
"hippy" wrote:
> Ultrasonic cleaners?!
>
> Are these units expensive?
$99 from Jaycar is the cheapest I've seen. It's a light-duty
Chinese unit, and seems well suited to bicycle chains. See
http://tinyurl.com/67dam
> Do they vibrate the **** off the chain?
No. Tiny bubbles form and collapse throughout the nooks and
crannies in the item being cleaned. This process (cavitation)
dislodges and moves all the fine grit from the internals (where
cleanliness _is_ important).
John
> Ultrasonic cleaners?!
>
> Are these units expensive?
$99 from Jaycar is the cheapest I've seen. It's a light-duty
Chinese unit, and seems well suited to bicycle chains. See
http://tinyurl.com/67dam
> Do they vibrate the **** off the chain?
No. Tiny bubbles form and collapse throughout the nooks and
crannies in the item being cleaned. This process (cavitation)
dislodges and moves all the fine grit from the internals (where
cleanliness _is_ important).
John
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Tazza
Guest
Is there an easy way, remove the chain ??? what da !!!
"John Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "hippy" wrote:
>
> > Ultrasonic cleaners?!
> >
> > Are these units expensive?
>
> $99 from Jaycar is the cheapest I've seen. It's a light-duty
> Chinese unit, and seems well suited to bicycle chains. See
> http://tinyurl.com/67dam
>
> > Do they vibrate the **** off the chain?
>
> No. Tiny bubbles form and collapse throughout the nooks and
> crannies in the item being cleaned. This process (cavitation)
> dislodges and moves all the fine grit from the internals (where
> cleanliness _is_ important).
>
> John
"John Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "hippy" wrote:
>
> > Ultrasonic cleaners?!
> >
> > Are these units expensive?
>
> $99 from Jaycar is the cheapest I've seen. It's a light-duty
> Chinese unit, and seems well suited to bicycle chains. See
> http://tinyurl.com/67dam
>
> > Do they vibrate the **** off the chain?
>
> No. Tiny bubbles form and collapse throughout the nooks and
> crannies in the item being cleaned. This process (cavitation)
> dislodges and moves all the fine grit from the internals (where
> cleanliness _is_ important).
>
> John
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Parbs
Guest
"Tazza" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Is there an easy way, remove the chain ??? what da !!!
> "John Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "hippy" wrote:
> >
> > > Ultrasonic cleaners?!
> > >
> > > Are these units expensive?
> >
> > $99 from Jaycar is the cheapest I've seen. It's a light-duty
> > Chinese unit, and seems well suited to bicycle chains. See
> > http://tinyurl.com/67dam
> >
> > > Do they vibrate the **** off the chain?
> >
> > No. Tiny bubbles form and collapse throughout the nooks and
> > crannies in the item being cleaned. This process (cavitation)
> > dislodges and moves all the fine grit from the internals (where
> > cleanliness _is_ important).
> >
> > John
>
>
If your chain doesn't already have one get one of these
http://www.phantomcycles.com.au/Content.asp?S=Details @ID=2128
or
http://www.phantomcycles.com.au/Content.asp?S=Details @ID=1229
To get it off the first time (without a joining link) see here
http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/FAQchnRe.shtml
Parbs
> Is there an easy way, remove the chain ??? what da !!!
> "John Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "hippy" wrote:
> >
> > > Ultrasonic cleaners?!
> > >
> > > Are these units expensive?
> >
> > $99 from Jaycar is the cheapest I've seen. It's a light-duty
> > Chinese unit, and seems well suited to bicycle chains. See
> > http://tinyurl.com/67dam
> >
> > > Do they vibrate the **** off the chain?
> >
> > No. Tiny bubbles form and collapse throughout the nooks and
> > crannies in the item being cleaned. This process (cavitation)
> > dislodges and moves all the fine grit from the internals (where
> > cleanliness _is_ important).
> >
> > John
>
>
If your chain doesn't already have one get one of these
http://www.phantomcycles.com.au/Content.asp?S=Details @ID=2128
or
http://www.phantomcycles.com.au/Content.asp?S=Details @ID=1229
To get it off the first time (without a joining link) see here
http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/FAQchnRe.shtml
Parbs
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hippy
Guest
> > "hippy" wrote:
> > > Do they vibrate the **** off the chain?
> "John Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > No. Tiny bubbles form and collapse throughout the nooks and
> > crannies in the item being cleaned. This process (cavitation)
> > dislodges and moves all the fine grit from the internals (where
> > cleanliness _is_ important).
"Tazza" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is there an easy way, remove the chain ??? what da !!!
Yes. Get yourself one of the take-apart links by SRAM
or Wipperman, e.g:
http://www.nexternal.com/icycles/images/powerlinkgrey.jpg
Personally, I can remove a chain quicker with a normal
chain breaker tool than those Powerlinks and my fingers
stay cleaner ;-)
hippy
> > > Do they vibrate the **** off the chain?
> "John Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > No. Tiny bubbles form and collapse throughout the nooks and
> > crannies in the item being cleaned. This process (cavitation)
> > dislodges and moves all the fine grit from the internals (where
> > cleanliness _is_ important).
"Tazza" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is there an easy way, remove the chain ??? what da !!!
Yes. Get yourself one of the take-apart links by SRAM
or Wipperman, e.g:
http://www.nexternal.com/icycles/images/powerlinkgrey.jpg
Personally, I can remove a chain quicker with a normal
chain breaker tool than those Powerlinks and my fingers
stay cleaner ;-)
hippy
P
Plodder
Guest
"John Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "kingsley" wrote:
>
> > PS> I've read good things about using those ultrasonic
> > jewelery cleaners && bike chains. Haven't tried it yet.
>
> I recently bought one from Jaycar, http://tinyurl.com/67dam to
> clean my chains. It certainly got more gunk out of a chain
> that I had previously washed thoroughly in turps.
>
> John
Or you can velcro a tupperware container to the top of your washing machine,
drop in your chain and the liquid of your choice (I use Simple Green). When
you do a load of washing the container is agitated (especially during the
spin cycle) and LOTS of gunk comes out of the chain. You could even get
elaborate and build a mesh bed for the chain to sit on, allowing the gunk
and grit to fall clear of the chain. Works for me, and it's cheap!
Frank
news:[email protected]...
> "kingsley" wrote:
>
> > PS> I've read good things about using those ultrasonic
> > jewelery cleaners && bike chains. Haven't tried it yet.
>
> I recently bought one from Jaycar, http://tinyurl.com/67dam to
> clean my chains. It certainly got more gunk out of a chain
> that I had previously washed thoroughly in turps.
>
> John
Or you can velcro a tupperware container to the top of your washing machine,
drop in your chain and the liquid of your choice (I use Simple Green). When
you do a load of washing the container is agitated (especially during the
spin cycle) and LOTS of gunk comes out of the chain. You could even get
elaborate and build a mesh bed for the chain to sit on, allowing the gunk
and grit to fall clear of the chain. Works for me, and it's cheap!
Frank
Plodder said:
I've heard of this spin cycle technique - apparently it works well from the other report I read also. Has anyone go one of those chain cleaning devices that you pour solvent into, clip around you chain and rotate the pedals to clean it up. I know Park Tool have such a device. Was interested in any feedback. Also, does breaking the chain each time you wash it make the link weaker in any way over time?
jazmo said:
I've got one of those "on bike" chain cleaner. It does an OK job. better than just running the chain through a rag. Not as good as removing the chain & taking it for swim in solvent though. IMO, if you have a quick-link in your chain it's better to remove the chain & clean.
Here's a lazy method just use a high pressure cleaner and hose all the gunk off. You can just go to one of the drive in car cleaner places and pay $2 and go for your life. It doesnt get all the bits inside out, but it certainly gets rid of a lot of the surface gunk on your chain. You could probably use one of those little steam cleaners and disolve a lot of the grease as well.
Peter
just use a high pressure cleaner and hose all the gunk off. You can just go to one of the drive in car cleaner places and pay $2 and go for your life. It doesnt get all the bits inside out, but it certainly gets rid of a lot of the surface gunk on your chain. You could probably use one of those little steam cleaners and disolve a lot of the grease as well.Peter
poiter86 said:Here's a lazy method
Don't you mean "hose all the gunk straight into your bearings"
Bad Idea.
T
Tamyka Bell
Guest
Tazza wrote:
>
> What should I use ?
>
> Thanks again, T
Oh no! I take a weekend off and find out someone else is using my name!
Aaaggh!
T (the original)
PS I'm impressed by the dedicated chain-cleaners. I got biodegradable
stuff because the landlord complained about kero & grease on the
concrete, so this stuff I can hose into the garden or down the drain.
But being water soluble you've then gotta really mega dry your chain and
get plenty of oil onto it, so maybe I should just go back to kero...
>
> What should I use ?
>
> Thanks again, T
Oh no! I take a weekend off and find out someone else is using my name!
Aaaggh!
T (the original)
PS I'm impressed by the dedicated chain-cleaners. I got biodegradable
stuff because the landlord complained about kero & grease on the
concrete, so this stuff I can hose into the garden or down the drain.
But being water soluble you've then gotta really mega dry your chain and
get plenty of oil onto it, so maybe I should just go back to kero...
M
Mick
Guest
"Bikesoiler" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
>
> I've got one of those "on bike" chain cleaner. It does an OK job.
> better than just running the chain through a rag. Not as good as
> removing the chain & taking it for swim in solvent though. IMO, if you
> have a quick-link in your chain it's better to remove the chain &
> clean.
>
>
> --
> Bikesoiler
Do many other people use the on bike cleaners?
I had a look at one in the LBS the other day. Looked kind of
cheap and nasty. Are some better than others?
It's got to be better than my current chain maintenance
regime - a wipe over and some lube now and then.
Mick
message news:[email protected]...
>
> I've got one of those "on bike" chain cleaner. It does an OK job.
> better than just running the chain through a rag. Not as good as
> removing the chain & taking it for swim in solvent though. IMO, if you
> have a quick-link in your chain it's better to remove the chain &
> clean.
>
>
> --
> Bikesoiler
Do many other people use the on bike cleaners?
I had a look at one in the LBS the other day. Looked kind of
cheap and nasty. Are some better than others?
It's got to be better than my current chain maintenance
regime - a wipe over and some lube now and then.
Mick
hippy said:
I've got a Wipperman link on my chain, last time I undid it i lost one side of the link, so be careful when removing. Otherwise they work well.
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