Still cold out and this is still a discussion forum so....
http://www.biketechreview.com/archive/wheel_theory.htm
http://www.biketechreview.com/archive/wheel_theory.htm
HA!Peter@vecchios said:Still cold out ]
531Aussie said:HA!
It's 43.6C here (110.5)! Hottest day I can remember.
".......and strong enough to get you to the finish line"
This is something which is often overlooked. I've heard a few bling wheels pop spokes in races lately.
I've heard - no reference available - that lowering your head by 2cm is the same aero gain as a set of fast wheels.Phill P said:I'm surprised that frame aero is equal to wheel aero.
Same bike, hands down on the drops: 406 watts531Aussie said:I'm not sure about 2cm, but on this German Tour Mag test (which I've posted a zillion times before ), the rider cut 59w of drag, moving from the hoods to the drops, but only cut 15w going from 32-spoke wheels to 2 tri-spokes
They first put Uwe Peschel on a 'normal' road bike
Required output to sustain 45km/h.
Stevens San Remo bike with hands on hoods: 465 Watts
Same bike, hands down on the drops: 406 watts
Same bike, Easton Aeroforce aero bars: 369 Watts
Same bike Triathlon position (5.5 cm lower bar, saddle forwards): 360 Watts
Same as above, with 2 carbon Tri-spoke wheels: 345 Watts
Cervelo Tri bike + Tri spoke wheels: 328w
Cervelo Tri bike + Tri spoke front + disk rear wheel : 320 w
Same as above with Giro aero helmet: 317w
Same as above with speed suit: 307w
Spekken la Doiych?
http://www.dk-content.de/tour/pdf-archiv/tests/zeitfahren_material_0107.pdf
Another one:
http://www.cervelo.com/reviews/aerotest.pdf
The recumbent takes off 98 Watts.Phill P said:What about with a low rider recumbent?
that's going from normal bars to aero barsibi-m said:very interesting - 10% less only because of different bars? care to elaborate, thanks
So hot today the power keeps cutting out at work because too many AC units running across Melbourne. Train lines are buckling due to over expansion and half the trains aren't running.531Aussie said:HA!
It's 43.6C here (110.5)! Hottest day I can remember.
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parawolf said:I've heard - no reference available - that lowering your head by 2cm is the same aero gain as a set of fast wheels.
531Aussie said:I'm not sure about 2cm, but on this German Tour Mag test (which I've posted a zillion times before ), the rider cut 59w of drag, moving from the hoods to the drops, but only cut 15w going from 32-spoke wheels to 2 tri-spokes
Hence why i've recently bought myself an aero lid... and own aero wheels...Bob Ross said:I've cited it before, but I still get a kick out of that quote from the guy on the MIT cycling team, who, after evaluating wind tunnel data, pointed out that an aero helmet offers vastly improved performance gains over aero wheels: "So you could spend $2000 on wheels, or $200 on a helmet and be faster."
15W by switching wheels is a substantial savings, but remember that's at 45 kph (28mph). Because aero drag power is a function of the cube of the speed, at a more typical pace, say 20 mph, the savings would only be be 36% of 15W, or ~5.4 watts.531Aussie said:I'm not sure about 2cm, but on this German Tour Mag test (which I've posted a zillion times before ), the rider cut 59w of drag, moving from the hoods to the drops, but only cut 15w going from 32-spoke wheels to 2 tri-spokes
They first put Uwe Peschel on a 'normal' road bike
Required output to sustain 45km/h.
Stevens San Remo bike with hands on hoods: 465 Watts
Same bike, hands down on the drops: 406 watts
Same bike, Easton Aeroforce aero bars: 369 Watts
Same bike Triathlon position (5.5 cm lower bar, saddle forwards): 360 Watts
Same as above, with 2 carbon Tri-spoke wheels: 345 Watts
Cervelo Tri bike + Tri spoke wheels: 328w
Cervelo Tri bike + Tri spoke front + disk rear wheel : 320 w
Same as above with Giro aero helmet: 317w
Same as above with speed suit: 307w
Spekken la Doiych?
http://www.dk-content.de/tour/pdf-archiv/tests/zeitfahren_material_0107.pdf
Another one:
http://www.cervelo.com/reviews/aerotest.pdf
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