Wheelset question...

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  1. Rivermist

    Rivermist Guest

    I am thinking of buying some new wheels and am considering the Mavic Ksyrium wheels.

    First.. Any opinions on those wheels?

    Second... I notice there are some house brand wheels sold by Performance such as the Performance
    Fuego wheelset whose specifications seem to be about the same as far as weight and description go --
    but at 1/4 the price. Should I be considering brands such as these?

    Thanks in advance...
     
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  2. Psycholist

    Psycholist Guest

    This is your lucky day 'cuz if you'll pay attention, I'll help you save about $300 to $400. Go to
    www.oddsandendos.com. That's the website for a wheelbuilder in Florida named Mike Garcia. I have
    no connection to him except that I'm a satisfied customer. He builds a set of wheels designed to
    go head-to-head with Ksyriums. They weigh the same and have a similar performance profile. THEY
    COST ABOUT HALF! And the best part is that they use parts that could be easily serviced or
    replaced by any LBS.

    Do yourself a big favor and check out www.oddsandendos.com. Note that the website can take a while
    to load ... so be patient.

    Good luck, Bob C. "Rivermist" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I am thinking of buying some new wheels and am considering the Mavic
    Ksyrium
    > wheels.
    >
    > First.. Any opinions on those wheels?
    >
    > Second... I notice there are some house brand wheels sold by Performance such as the Performance
    > Fuego wheelset whose specifications seem to be
    about
    > the same as far as weight and description go -- but at 1/4 the price. Should I be considering
    > brands such as these?
    >
    > Thanks in advance...
    >
     
  3. Jon Isaacs

    Jon Isaacs Guest

    >I am thinking of buying some new wheels and am considering the Mavic Ksyrium wheels.
    >
    >First.. Any opinions on those wheels?
    >
    >Second... I notice there are some house brand wheels sold by Performance such as the Performance
    >Fuego wheelset whose specifications seem to be about the same as far as weight and description go
    >-- but at 1/4 the price. Should I be considering brands such as these?
    >
    >Thanks in advance...
    >

    It really depends on what you are looking for in a wheel set.

    If you want to impress your friends with how much money you spent or with flash, then definitely get
    the Mavics.

    If you want a durable, reliable wheelset, then consider some standard rims with a 32 spokes and
    Shimano hubs built properly. This means not only true and round but properly tensioned and stress
    relieved. Most inexpensive wheel sets are machine built and suffer from insuffiicent tension and
    lack of stress relief.

    But this is easily taken care of, either by a competent wheel builder or by you.

    Sheldon Brown (www.sheldonbrown.com) has some information on wheel building. The Bicycle Wheel by
    Jobst Brandt is good source of information.

    A third option is to find a local wheel builder who builds a reliable wheel and let him build you
    something.

    jon isaacs
     
  4. Rivermist

    Rivermist Guest

    I am not just interested in durable and reliable. I am also interested in light and aero. I am not
    sure that standard rims and 32 spokes will get me that.

    One guy did point me to www.oddsandendos.com which is a wheelbuilder which makes cheaper wheels that
    fit the bill.

    "Jon Isaacs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > >I am thinking of buying some new wheels and am considering the Mavic
    Ksyrium
    > >wheels.
    > >
    > >First.. Any opinions on those wheels?
    > >
    > >Second... I notice there are some house brand wheels sold by Performance such as the Performance
    > >Fuego wheelset whose specifications seem to be
    about
    > >the same as far as weight and description go -- but at 1/4 the price. Should I be considering
    > >brands such as these?
    > >
    > >Thanks in advance...
    > >
    >
    > It really depends on what you are looking for in a wheel set.
    >
    > If you want to impress your friends with how much money you spent or with flash, then definitely
    > get the Mavics.
    >
    > If you want a durable, reliable wheelset, then consider some standard rims
    with
    > a 32 spokes and Shimano hubs built properly. This means not only true and round but properly
    > tensioned and stress relieved. Most inexpensive wheel
    sets
    > are machine built and suffer from insuffiicent tension and lack of stress relief.
    >
    > But this is easily taken care of, either by a competent wheel builder or
    by
    > you.
    >
    > Sheldon Brown (www.sheldonbrown.com) has some information on wheel
    building.
    > The Bicycle Wheel by Jobst Brandt is good source of information.
    >
    > A third option is to find a local wheel builder who builds a reliable
    wheel and
    > let him build you something.
    >
    > jon isaacs
     
  5. In article <[email protected]>, Rivermist <[email protected]> wrote:
    >I am not just interested in durable and reliable. I am also interested in light and aero. I am not
    >sure that standard rims and 32 spokes will get me that.

    Actually what you will find is that manufactured wheels will get you aero but they don't really get
    you light weight compared to conventional wheels. The cost per gram of weight savings is
    astronomical because the weight difference is tiny or nonexistant and the price difference is high.
    Additionally, aero rims are heavy, and rims designed for building with not enough spokes are even
    heavier since the rim needs to be very stiff to avoid meandering back and forth from spoke hole to
    spoke hole.

    You didn't say how big you are, how much you ride, typical road conditions where you ride, how much
    money you want to spend, the terrain and type of riding you want to optimize the wheels for, type of
    drivetrain on the bike, etc. Those things all help determine what your wheels should look like.
    Terrain and type of riding will determine whether an aero wheel matters in any significant way. Your
    weight and road conditions and expected wheelset lifespan will determine how many spokes you use and
    set some minimum standards for the rim weight.

    If you are not a huge rider, and want something light, doing a 32-hole rim 3x with 15/16/15 spokes
    in back is not a bad balance between lightness and reliability, depending on the rim, and will
    compare favorably to the weight of many ~24 spoke manufactured wheels. Doing 28-hole on the front
    can also make sense for some riders in search of low weight, but as you lose spokes you also lose
    reliability, and if you break one it will have a significant effect on the ridability of the wheel.
    For most riders this isn't worth it.

    --Paul
     
  6. Mike S.

    Mike S. Guest

    "Rivermist" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I am thinking of buying some new wheels and am considering the Mavic
    Ksyrium
    > wheels.
    >
    > First.. Any opinions on those wheels?
    >
    > Second... I notice there are some house brand wheels sold by Performance such as the Performance
    > Fuego wheelset whose specifications seem to be
    about
    > the same as far as weight and description go -- but at 1/4 the price. Should I be considering
    > brands such as these?
    >
    > Thanks in advance...
    >
    >

    I have friends that own Ksyriums. To a person, all have broken spokes. The interesting thing about
    the Ksyriums is that they use that special AL spoke, and not every LBS is going to have them. One of
    my teammate's brother keeps breaking his Ksyrium spokes out in outer BFE...

    The only way to go light AND aero are carbon wheels (Zipp, Reynolds, Campy, etc.) but then you're
    talking about a LOT of money.

    You can have either light OR aero for not too much money. Pick one.

    I have a pair of Ritchey Pro wheels that I really like for an "intermediate aero" wheel, but for all
    out speed, I really like my Cosmics and Zipp 404s.

    Performance's house brand stuff is usually designed in Chapel Hill and then made in Taiwan, or is
    re-badged by PBS from existing stuff. Quality is just OK from what I've seen, definitely not on par
    with Mavic/Campy/Zipp/Am. Classic et al.

    I'm one of those guys that believe that for every job there is a proper tool. For all 'round riding,
    go ride your 32-hole Open Pro wheels. If you want to go do some high speed racing/training, ride a
    Cosmic/Cosmic Carbone/Zipp/etc.

    I've noticed over the years that until you're getting over 25mph or so, aero wheels are just really
    big heavy wheels that don't do much good. After that, they really come into their own.
    www.analyticycling.com has a comparison of some of the more popular wheels that you can compare time
    savings v. standard wheels over certain courses/distances/speeds.

    Mike
     
  7. Bikerjaz

    Bikerjaz Guest

    I've had the Mavic Ksyrium SSC SLs for a year and like them very much. They're very durable
    (pot-hole tested) and great on climbs (including the col de la Madeleine and Columbiere). I bought
    them on an Irish website: totalcycling.com, and saved about $250, including the $25 shipping charge
    to the U.S. (no tax or duty). I just checked the site and they're now selling them for $585, a bit
    more than I paid, and probably reflecting the weakened dollar.

    JAZ

    "Rivermist" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I am thinking of buying some new wheels and am considering the Mavic
    Ksyrium
    > wheels.
    >
    > First.. Any opinions on those wheels?
    >
    > Second... I notice there are some house brand wheels sold by Performance such as the Performance
    > Fuego wheelset whose specifications seem to be
    about
    > the same as far as weight and description go -- but at 1/4 the price. Should I be considering
    > brands such as these?
    >
    > Thanks in advance...
    >
     
  8. Mark Hickey

    Mark Hickey Guest

    [email protected] (Jon Isaacs) wrote:

    >>I am not just interested in durable and reliable. I am also interested in light and aero. I am not
    >>sure that standard rims and 32 spokes will get me that.
    >
    >Not sure those Mavic wheels will be much of an improvement. From the reading I have done on
    >Aerodynamics wheels, spoke count has little to do with it, the major factor is the rim depth. Deep
    >rims like Hed Jets, H3's(Trispokes) and disks can make a significant difference.

    Anyone check out the "Topolino" wheels? Probably just the ticket for any climb done at under 5mph.
    Those big "lumps" on the fat spokes have to make the things less aero than my old Schwinn cruiser's
    wheels. Egad...

    >Weight is a non issue, most truly aero wheels are heavier than a standard wheel.

    Too true (though some of the Hed wheels aren't too heavy - though they're really just a "normal
    wheel" with a carbon fiber fairing).

    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame
     
  9. On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:47:22 -0500, Mark Hickey wrote:

    > Anyone check out the "Topolino" wheels? Probably just the ticket for any climb done at under 5mph.
    > Those big "lumps" on the fat spokes have to make the things less aero than my old Schwinn
    > cruiser's wheels. Egad...

    Yech. And they talk about the spokes being "bladed aero profile". But with those big lumps within an
    inch of the rim, who would care. Anything to make a buck.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | "Business!" cried the Ghost. "Mankind was my business. The _`\(,_ | common welfare was my
    business; charity, mercy, forbearance, (_)/ (_) | and benevolence, were, all, my business. The
    dealings of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!"
    --Dickens, "A Christmas Carol"
     
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