Where Fluoride Comes From

Discussion in 'Health and medical' started by Suite1oh1, Jan 29, 2004.

  1. Suite1oh1

    Suite1oh1 Guest

    All fluoride chemicals used in the U.S. for water fluoridation, sodium fluoride, sodium
    fluorosilicate, and fluorosilicic acid, are byproducts of the phosphate fertilizer industry,
    according to the US Center for Disease Control's, National Fluoridation Engineer, Thomas G.
    Reeves.(A)

    Phosphate fertilizer manufacturing produces two byproducts: (1) a solid, calcium sulfate (sheetrock,
    CaSo4); and (2) the gases, hydrofluoric acid (HF) and silicon tetrafluoride (SiF4), reports Reeves.

    Apatite rock, a calcium mineral found in central Florida, is ground up and treated with sulfuric
    acid, producing phosphoric acid and the two byproducts, calcium sulfate and the two gas emissions.
    These gases are captured by product recovery units (scrubbers) and condensed into 23% fluorosilicic
    acid, reports Reeves.

    According to the National Sanitation Foundation, this fluorosilicic acid commonly contains lead and
    arsenic (B). Earth Island Journal reports, small traces of cadmium, mercury, sulfates, iron ,
    phosphorous and radionuclides may contaminate the fluorosilicic acid, also. (C)

    Sodium fluoride and sodium fluorosilicate are made from this acid, writes Reeves who claims the
    fluoride chemicals dissociate virtually 100% into their various components (ions) and are very
    stable, safe, and non-toxic.

    Unfortunately for us, there are no data to support Reeves claim. In fact, the National Toxicology
    Program (NTP) has just now started to study water fluoridation chemicals(D). The NTP indicates that
    the "assumed complete dissociation to free fluoride under normal conditions of use [is] not
    supported by experimental evidence."

    In fact, laboratory research in Germany by Westendorf (E) contradicts the assumption of "complete
    dissociation"

    Since the elements that make up silicofluorides don’t fully come apart in water, Masters and
    Coplan theorize one or more of these partially dissolved compounds might be responsible for the
    higher blood lead levels found in children who live in silicofluoridated communites (F) when
    compared to sodium or non-fluoridated communities.

    "Pharmaceutical grade fluoride compounds are not appropriate for water fluoridation; they are used
    in the formulation of prescription drugs," reports Reeves. What he's really saying is that
    pharmaceutical grade fluoride compounds are too expenseive to use for water fluoridation.

    Reeves writes, "Finally, it is sometimes alleged that the fluoride from natural sources, like
    calcium fluoride, is better than fluorides added "artificially", such as from the fluoride chemicals
    presently used.There is no difference," says Reeves.

    However, Fluoride toothpaste giant Colgate's advice to professionals is that calcium fluoride is
    poorly absorbed(7) unlike free fluoride ions which are quickly absorbed. In fact, calcium is the
    antidote for fluoride poisoning because the positively charged calcium ion attaches to the
    negatively charged fluorine ion and safely carries fluoride out of the body.

    The real question is why is a water fluoridation engineer giving health advice about fluoride and
    why are legislative bodies heeding it?

    References: http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11749/105538

    Fluoride Supplements - Don't Use Them http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11749/90618

    McFluoride http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11749/98946

    Sally Stride Fluoride Editor, Suite 101 http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/fluoridation
     
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  2. Drceephd

    Drceephd Guest

    [email protected] (Suite1oh1) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > All fluoride chemicals used in the U.S. for water fluoridation, sodium fluoride, sodium
    > fluorosilicate, and fluorosilicic acid, are byproducts of the phosphate fertilizer industry,
    > according to the US Center for Disease Control's, National Fluoridation Engineer, Thomas G.
    > Reeves.(A)

    This is a very nice post, but I have always thought that the flourides used in toothpaste and our
    water came as a byproduct of the Hall process for manufacturing alumninum. Perhaps there are two
    sources of this terribly toxic product.

    These chemicals are very toxic. Originally these flourides were used for ant and roach poisons.

    However, by puting the byproducts into the drinking water and the toothpaste, everybody gets a
    little of the the hazardous chemical but not so much as to kill immediately. It does serve to keep
    the price of aluminum and fertilzer down by limiting the disposal costs and converting a potential
    profit killer into a positive money producer.

    Wow, isn't our government great?

    DrC PhD.

    >
    > Phosphate fertilizer manufacturing produces two byproducts: (1) a solid, calcium sulfate
    > (sheetrock, CaSo4); and (2) the gases, hydrofluoric acid (HF) and silicon tetrafluoride (SiF4),
    > reports Reeves.
    >
    > Apatite rock, a calcium mineral found in central Florida, is ground up and treated with sulfuric
    > acid, producing phosphoric acid and the two byproducts, calcium sulfate and the two gas emissions.
    > These gases are captured by product recovery units (scrubbers) and condensed into 23%
    > fluorosilicic acid, reports Reeves.
    >
    > According to the National Sanitation Foundation, this fluorosilicic acid commonly contains lead
    > and arsenic (B). Earth Island Journal reports, small traces of cadmium, mercury, sulfates, iron ,
    > phosphorous and radionuclides may contaminate the fluorosilicic acid, also. (C)
    >
    > Sodium fluoride and sodium fluorosilicate are made from this acid, writes Reeves who claims the
    > fluoride chemicals dissociate virtually 100% into their various components (ions) and are very
    > stable, safe, and non-toxic.
    >
    > Unfortunately for us, there are no data to support Reeves claim. In fact, the National Toxicology
    > Program (NTP) has just now started to study water fluoridation chemicals(D). The NTP indicates
    > that the "assumed complete dissociation to free fluoride under normal conditions of use [is] not
    > supported by experimental evidence."
    >
    > In fact, laboratory research in Germany by Westendorf (E) contradicts the assumption of "complete
    > dissociation"
    >
    > Since the elements that make up silicofluorides don’t fully come apart in water, Masters and
    > Coplan theorize one or more of these partially dissolved compounds might be responsible for the
    > higher blood lead levels found in children who live in silicofluoridated communites (F) when
    > compared to sodium or non-fluoridated communities.
    >
    > "Pharmaceutical grade fluoride compounds are not appropriate for water fluoridation; they are used
    > in the formulation of prescription drugs," reports Reeves. What he's really saying is that
    > pharmaceutical grade fluoride compounds are too expenseive to use for water fluoridation.
    >
    > Reeves writes, "Finally, it is sometimes alleged that the fluoride from natural sources, like
    > calcium fluoride, is better than fluorides added "artificially", such as from the fluoride
    > chemicals presently used.There is no difference," says Reeves.
    >
    > However, Fluoride toothpaste giant Colgate's advice to professionals is that calcium fluoride is
    > poorly absorbed(7) unlike free fluoride ions which are quickly absorbed. In fact, calcium is the
    > antidote for fluoride poisoning because the positively charged calcium ion attaches to the
    > negatively charged fluorine ion and safely carries fluoride out of the body.
    >
    > The real question is why is a water fluoridation engineer giving health advice about fluoride and
    > why are legislative bodies heeding it?
    >
    >
    >
    > References: http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11749/105538
    >
    > Fluoride Supplements - Don't Use Them http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11749/90618
    >
    > McFluoride http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11749/98946
    >
    > Sally Stride Fluoride Editor, Suite 101 http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/fluoridation
     
  3. Hnow

    Hnow Guest

    [email protected] (drceephd) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > [email protected] (Suite1oh1) wrote in message news:<[email protected]
    > m02.aol.com>...
    > > All fluoride chemicals used in the U.S. for water fluoridation, sodium fluoride, sodium
    > > fluorosilicate, and fluorosilicic acid, are byproducts of the phosphate fertilizer industry,
    > > according to the US Center for Disease Control's, National Fluoridation Engineer, Thomas G.
    > > Reeves.(A)
    >
    > This is a very nice post, but I have always thought that the flourides used in toothpaste and our
    > water came as a byproduct of the Hall process for manufacturing alumninum. Perhaps there are two
    > sources of this terribly toxic product.
    >
    > These chemicals are very toxic. Originally these flourides were used for ant and roach poisons.
    >
    > However, by puting the byproducts into the drinking water and the toothpaste, everybody gets a
    > little of the the hazardous chemical but not so much as to kill immediately. It does serve to keep
    > the price of aluminum and fertilzer down by limiting the disposal costs and converting a potential
    > profit killer into a positive money producer.
    >
    > Wow, isn't our government great?
    >
    > DrC PhD.

    And they do save a lot on disposal fees for their toxic wastes. Chemical companies should be the
    ones paying local governments for taking their toxic waste, not the other way around. How did they
    ever dupe local governments into paying them for their toxic waste and using out drinking water as
    their dumping grounds?

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