Where is Michael Rasmussen?

[cyclingheroes]

it was all contradictory. I do not know why they let him pass in the first instance. Just a case of dope til ya drop son, we will give you the Tommy Simpson life insurance sponsorship which pays costs on death for the helicopter to the morgue and the burial.

They wrote that he would be punished by a next offense. Before that they wrote down the rules. If you count the offenses and the one of the letter he already had to much offenses.

The Vogelzang report is pretty crappy (its also as PDF file with the original CH article). The report could be right about the fact that the UCI already should have banned Ras.

 

[plectrum]

They wrote that he would be punished by a next offense.

Well actually they didn't say this.

What they said is that 'you are responsible ....' and 'the situation is critical ....'

I still feel under the rules he should have been allowed to start the Tour and complete it. The Danish federation tests were always garbage, he didn't live there and hadn't raced for a while for them. His focus was the Tour and certainly not riding for Denmark.

I think the ones that were important were from UCI and he had not received sufficient written warnings to warrant a ban. Also it doesn't really matter what they could have done they didn't do it. Rabobank & Rasmussen at the time of the Tour were still officially allowed to start. For this reason I can understand Prudholmes view that UCI were trying to destroy the Tour and I feel UCI's incompetance needs to be punished and sanctioned just as much as Rasmussen's faults need to be addressed.

By the way CH do you think that Ras may at some point bring libel charges against Whitley Richards?

 

[Bro Deal]

I still feel under the rules he should have been allowed to start the Tour and complete it. The Danish federation tests were always garbage, he didn't live there and hadn't raced for a while for them. His focus was the Tour and certainly not riding for Denmark.

Maybe if you are going by the number of missed tests, but his lying about his whereabouts only came to light during the Tour. That was what killed him.

 

[poulidor]

I think the ones that were important were from UCI and he had not received sufficient written warnings to warrant a ban. Also it doesn't really matter what they could have done they didn't do it. Rabobank & Rasmussen at the time of the Tour were still officially allowed to start. For this reason I can understand Prudholmes view that UCI were trying to destroy the Tour and I feel UCI's incompetance needs to be punished and sanctioned just as much as Rasmussen's faults need to be addressed.

There is a "special" rules for TDF, a missed test or a warning during the (2 ?) month before TDF is TDF ban for that rider so Ras was de facto not allowed to start, a second warning wasn't necessary.

 

[cyclingheroes]

Well actually they didn't say this.

What they said is that 'you are responsible ....' and 'the situation is critical ....'

Actually they did say this but somehow the second page of the letter is not online. I will fix it in the next hour...

 

[Crankyfeet]

There is a "special" rules for TDF, a missed test or a warning during the (2 ?) month before TDF is TDF ban for that rider so Ras was de facto not allowed to start, a second warning wasn't necessary.

Is this a UCI rule? It sounds like an ASO rule. Which would understandably make Prudhomme unhappy as he is reliant on UCI informing him if a rider missed a test in the two months prior.

I don't think UCI can be blamed for deliberately engineering a fracas. The focus and pressure only went on Ras cause he kept the yellow jersey through the first time trial. Nobody foresaw that. And it only exploded because the lie was exposed by Cassani. Nobody could foresee that.

Seems to me that Rabobank are the ones most responsible to me. They should have been the ones who withdrew Ras knowing the two month rule was contravened... and they should have been the ones who prevented the lie even happening... given that they were communicating with Ras knowing he was not where he was supposed to be.

 

[cyclingheroes]

Its not an ASO rule, its an UCI rule. Yes Rabo is as responsible as the UCI but they probebly didn't think that they had to take the 'public' rules serious this time. They still thought those rules were only for the public and they could do business as usual.

Is this a UCI rule? It sounds like an ASO rule. Which would understandably make Prudhomme unhappy as he is reliant on UCI informing him if a rider missed a test in the two months prior.

I don't think UCI can be blamed for deliberately engineering a fracas. The focus and pressure only went on Ras cause he kept the yellow jersey through the first time trial. Nobody foresaw that. And it only exploded because the lie was exposed by Cassani. Nobody could foresee that.

Seems to me that Rabobank are the ones most responsible to me. They should have been the ones who withdrew Ras knowing the two month rule was contravened... and they should have been the ones who prevented the lie even happening... given that they were communicating with Ras knowing he was not where he was supposed to be.

 

[thunder]

Its not an ASO rule, its an UCI rule. Yes Rabo is as responsible as the UCI but they probebly didn't think that they had to take the 'public' rules serious this time. They still thought those rules were only for the public and they could do business as usual.

the elephant in the room is why were Rabobank so equanimous or actually indifferent, with Rass misreporting?

Why not ask the bank's head?

 

[Crankyfeet]

Its not an ASO rule, its an UCI rule. Yes Rabo is as responsible as the UCI but they probebly didn't think that they had to take the 'public' rules serious this time. They still thought those rules were only for the public and they could do business as usual.

So why was this rule infraction not made public at the time (it may have been but I didn't hear about it)? Sounds to me like UCI trying to smokescreen and cover their ass.

Instead we had Prudhomme remonstrating that the UCI hadn't taken action that they should have... but the UCI saying that it was only two warnings which technically didn't make it a breach. If there was this UCI rule that you weren't allowed to miss a test in the two months prior to the TdF... or you would be disqualified... then why wasn't that discussed earlier in the media?

I think its like you say CH. UCI knew about the breach. Rabo knew. And they both played it down, thinking that he would be only a KOM contender and not wanting to hurt the sponsor or the race or cycling... let it pass.

Then Ras's sudden yellow jersey likelihood was going to make some major egg stick to faces. If Ras had won... and it was found out that UCI failed to enforce their own rule and have him be a non-starter... imagine the hell to pay.

As it is... how can UCI be killing careers for doping transgressions... when they are not even accountable for themselves following their own rules. It was their responsibility to bar him from the race. It would have been seen as harsh... but a lot better than him winning something and then people finding out later that UCI had bent their own rules.

So we have the farce of Ras losing his career over him misreporting his whereabouts... and a couple of Rabo guys sacked... So who is getting sacked at the UCI for creating this whole mess by not enforcing Ras's rules breach and letting him ride?

 

[Drongo]

So why was this rule infraction not made public at the time (it may have been but I didn't hear about it)? sounds to me like UCI trying to smokescreen and cover their ass.

Instead we had Prudhomme remonstrating that the UCI hadn't taken action that they should have... but the UCI saying that it was only two warnings which technically didn't make it a breach. If there was this UCI rule that you weren't allowed to miss a test in the two months prior to the TdF... or you would be disqualified... then why wasn't that discussed earlier in the media?

I think its like you say CH. UCI knew about the breach. Rabo knew. And they both played it down, thinking that he would be only a KOM contender and not wanting to hurt the sponsor or the race or cycling... let it pass.

Then Ras's sudden yellow jersey likelihood was going to make some major egg stick to faces. If Ras had won... and it was found out that UCI failed to enforce their own rule and have him be a non-starter... imagine the hell to pay.

As it is... how can UCI be killing careers for doping transgressions... when they are not even accountable for themselves following their own rules. It was their responsibility to bar him from the race. It would have been seen as harsh... but a lot better than him winning something and then people finding out later that UCI had bent their own rules.

So we have the farce of Ras losing his career over him misreporting his whereabouts... and a couple of Rabo guys sacked... So who is getting sacked at the UCI for creating this whole mess by not enforcing Ras's rules breach and letting him ride?

Quis costodiet ipsos custodies? Absolutely no-one. The UCI cannot enforce anything. Their conflict of interest is like a leaden weight. Until they are dragged kicking and screaming by the force of the media (bloodsuckers that they are) or the police, the UCI will be as useless as tits on a bull.

 

[SCOKER]

http://www.diariovasco.com/20080206...ssen-continua-entrenandose-idea-20080206.html

According to this article, Chicken is still training in Lake Garde, he was conctacted according to his managers by Barloworld, Caisse d Espagne, and another unmentionted team (Astana?), wich will be waiting to hear the veredict by the Monaco Federation, and TAS, wich stands for WADA I think...


hang on chicken.

 

[thunder]

http://www.diariovasco.com/20080206...ssen-continua-entrenandose-idea-20080206.html

According to this article, Chicken is still training in Lake Garde, he was conctacted according to his managers by Barloworld, Caisse d Espagne, and another unmentionted team (Astana?), wich will be waiting to hear the veredict by the Monaco Federation, and TAS, wich stands for WADA I think...


hang on chicken.

no ethics

 

[Bro Deal]

http://www.diariovasco.com/20080206/deportes/mas-deportes/rasmussen-continua-entrenandose-idea-20080206.html

According to this article, Chicken is still training in Lake Garde, he was conctacted according to his managers by Barloworld, Caisse d Espagne, and another unmentionted team (Astana?), wich will be waiting to hear the veredict by the Monaco Federation, and TAS, wich stands for WADA I think...


hang on chicken.

With the current doping climate, I don't see how he can get a job on a team that wants to ride the TdF or even the other GTs. He would be a huge albatross around the team's neck. It would be best if he could own up to what he did, but he's too old to serve a two year ban and still come back. He's farked.

 

[SCOKER]

no ethics

The thread is where is Michael Rasmussen, Lets start a new thread with the topic " Is Michael Rasmussen ethical?" Or.. should it be called...They all dope, Chicken Too.

 

[SCOKER]

With the current doping climate, I don't see how he can get a job on a team that wants to ride the TdF or even the other GTs. He would be a huge albatross around the team's neck. It would be best if he could own up to what he did, but he's too old to serve a two year ban and still come back. He's farked.

The document also states that he could probably race again on a Continental Team (one not in the tdf).

 

[Bro Deal]

The document also states that he could probably race again on a Continental Team (one not in the tdf).

Continental is pretty far down the ladder. Maybe he can find a Pro Conti team, provided he can get off on the charges, but a good number of those have hopes of being invited to one of the GTs. Ras would be a huge risk.

He is not uncomfortable in America, so there is always Rock Racing.

 

[TheDarkLord]

http://www.diariovasco.com/20080206/deportes/mas-deportes/rasmussen-continua-entrenandose-idea-20080206.html

According to this article, Chicken is still training in Lake Garde, he was conctacted according to his managers by Barloworld, Caisse d Espagne, and another unmentionted team (Astana?), wich will be waiting to hear the veredict by the Monaco Federation, and TAS, wich stands for WADA I think...


hang on chicken.

The team that signs Chicken will probably be the first to not get an invite for TdF after what happened last year.

 

[poulidor]

The thread is where is Michael Rasmussen, Lets start a new thread with the topic " Is Michael Rasmussen ethical?" Or.. should it be called...They all dope, Chicken Too.

Last year, a bigger part of the riders were on less dope and they have left blood doping. Rasmussen was not one of them. Worst he fooled a lot of people by his stupid lies!

 

[SCOKER]

Last year, a bigger part of the riders were on less dope and they have left blood doping. Rasmussen was not one of them. Worst he fooled a lot of people by his stupid lies!

Yeah right...where did you get this info, or is it just an opinion??

 

[poulidor]

Yeah right...where did you get this info, or is it just an opinion??

More riders have difficulties on pass... especially people with heavy body.
Of course we have seen teams with the same stellar performances as their precedent years.