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Which fish is Healthy?

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  1. After hearing that farm raised salmon causes cancer, I am
    now looking for some other fish which is considered healthy.
    I was also eating farm raised catfish but I am now
    suspicious of all farm raised fish. It is hard to find
    atlantic salmon here so what is healthy? Halibut? Grouper?
    Scrod? Talapia?

    Thanks Randy

  2. "Randy and Michelle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    After hearing that farm raised salmon causes cancer, I am
    now looking for some other fish which is considered
    healthy. I was also eating farm raised catfish but I am
    now suspicious of all farm raised fish. It is hard to


    find

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    atlantic salmon here so what is healthy? Halibut? Grouper?
    Scrod? Talapia?

    Thanks Randy

    The conclusion that farmed salmon are a cancer risk is not
    supported by the evidence. Yes, they had higher contaminant
    burdens than did some wild-caught salmon with which they
    were compared, but overall, the increased risk was something
    on the order of one extra case in 100,000 person-years of
    exposure. There is much more cancer risk from drinking
    water, via halogenated organics.

    In fact, the pollutant burden in both wild and farmed salmon
    has been falling steadily for at least twenty years. People
    who were eating that salmon twenty years ago are healthier
    than those who did not do so. I'm an environmental
    toxicologist, and I personally do not have the slightest
    concern in eating farmed salmon. The health benefits far,
    far exceed the risks. The only benefit in switching to other
    foods would be not knowing how contaminated they might be;
    other foods have not received similar scrutiny.

    Lar

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    The conclusion that farmed salmon are a cancer risk is not
    supported by


    the

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    evidence.


    The evidence is that those farmed salmon and all other
    farmed fish are feed with flour produced from the waste of
    chickens, cows, fish etc. thanos.

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    "Larry Hoover" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    The conclusion that farmed salmon are a cancer risk is
    not supported by


    the

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    evidence.

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    The evidence is that those farmed salmon and all other
    farmed fish are


    feed

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    with flour produced from the waste of chickens, cows, fish
    etc. thanos.

    I do not believe that animal byproducts are commonly fed
    to fish, though I guess they'll have to do something with
    that stuff now that they aren't permitted to feed it to
    cows any longer. If chicken and cow by-products are toxic,
    I guess that means that poultry and beef are too? Fish
    meal is certainly a component of feed for farmed fish, but
    don't forget, the fish from which the meal is produced are
    wild caught.

    The simple fact remains that food that has not been
    scrutinized for contaminants is not necessarily any better
    than a food that has been assessed. If you check the first
    link (given below), you'll see that all food is
    contaminated.

    Here's what I posted on January 11, to the same topic:

    "I've worked in environmental toxicology for years, and one
    of the most important aspects to interpreting data as
    reported in this study is to consider the context in which
    they are collected. For example, dietary exposure to PCBs
    and dioxins is continuously falling (in general terms), and
    has been falling for at least two decades. It is revealing
    to find that eggs and grain in 1982 (Britain) had similar
    levels of PCBs and dioxins as do fish today, and that
    historically, daily intake via different foods was quite
    similar between e.g. meat, fish, milk, eggs, and grain. See:
    foodstandards.gov.ukfsis38 2003
    .pdf, and refer to the tables at the end of the article. The
    British government seems to be a tad more diligent in
    analyzing and publishing data than are North American
    administrations. For more, see:
    foodstandards.gov.uksurveillance

    In the risk/benefit analysis of consumption of farmed fish,
    e.g. salmon, one must consider not only the risk of toxicant
    transfer, but also the health benefits accruing from e.g.
    omega-3 fatty acids. I haven't read the Science report as of
    yet, and most articles in the lay press are completely
    devoid of actual data, but one review I read today suggested
    that the mean PCB concentration was 36 ppb. If I am not
    mistaken, the FDA upper limit is 2,000 ppb. The reviewer I
    just referred to applied the carcinogenesis risk estimate to
    the salmon in question, and derived an increase in cancer
    incidence of 1 case per 100,000 consumers over 70 years. I
    cannot independently verify that conclusion, without seeing
    the data, but if accurate, that is hardly worth getting in a
    tizzy about. Eating fish once a week is going to save a lot
    more lives via circulatory health than are lost to cancer, I
    have no doubt.

    The fairly recent focus on promoting fish consumption has
    come from things like cohort dietary analyses correlated
    with health outcomes, and comparisons of regional dietary
    trends with disease incidence. You can be certain that the
    people upon which those data depend were not eating pure and
    uncontaminated fish. Quite the contrary, fish consumed two
    decades ago were more likely to be highly contaminated than
    are fish of today. And yet, we attribute health benefits to
    a history of eating those contaminated fish. Let's not
    forget, this isn't a new problem. It's actually a problem
    that is fading away. I may well be a jaded old environmental
    toxicologist, but I eat farmed fish, without the slightest
    concern. Trust me, there are less publicized things that
    ought to worry you more."

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