[SIZE= 10pt][COLOR= black]Seeing how the thread spiraled into a rather elaborate physics discussion I don't think I was too far off in my assumptions regarding the target audience. And again, I am not challenging the claim of losing weight from the body vs. bike, I am challenging the claim that the vast majority (target audiences) will reap fitness and health benefits by losing weight. And to get to the Cat 1/2 level your friend obviously has to be in incredible shape and what weight he does have to lose is not “easily†affordable. Ask him how hard it is to shed those last couple of pounds. Look at him and tell me if you think he will reap fitness and health benefits by losing weight. Instead he will be flirting with problems such as glycogen depletion, chronic fatigue, and the possibility of acquiring an eating disorder. To me he sounds like a lot of the people I ride with, which in my mind is the majority. [/COLOR][/SIZE]