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POHB
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On 26 Jun, 10:22, bornfree <[email protected]> wrote:
> In other words, I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
> attempts.
Don't we all. I don't think such a thing exists. Normally you can
pick two of strong, cheap or light; but in the case of locks I don't
think you can get stronger and lighter by increasing the amount of
money you're willing to spend. The closest I think you can get is to
buy big strong heavy locks to leave in all the places you want to lock
your bike up.
I'd like someone to prove me wrong here.
> In other words, I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
> attempts.
Don't we all. I don't think such a thing exists. Normally you can
pick two of strong, cheap or light; but in the case of locks I don't
think you can get stronger and lighter by increasing the amount of
money you're willing to spend. The closest I think you can get is to
buy big strong heavy locks to leave in all the places you want to lock
your bike up.
I'd like someone to prove me wrong here.
P
Peter Clinch
Guest
POHB wrote:
> Don't we all. I don't think such a thing exists. Normally you can
> pick two of strong, cheap or light; but in the case of locks I don't
> think you can get stronger and lighter by increasing the amount of
> money you're willing to spend.
Up to a point you can: you can make a high quality steel lock at less
weight than a crappy mild steel one that is quite a bit stronger, for
example, but you can only go so far down that road. All else being
equal, a heavier lock will resist more serious butchery.
> The closest I think you can get is to
> buy big strong heavy locks to leave in all the places you want to lock
> your bike up.
>
> I'd like someone to prove me wrong here.
The lateral thinking approach is have a folder which you don't lock up,
but take it in with you. Works in most places most of the time IME...
but that may not be enough :-(
Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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> Don't we all. I don't think such a thing exists. Normally you can
> pick two of strong, cheap or light; but in the case of locks I don't
> think you can get stronger and lighter by increasing the amount of
> money you're willing to spend.
Up to a point you can: you can make a high quality steel lock at less
weight than a crappy mild steel one that is quite a bit stronger, for
example, but you can only go so far down that road. All else being
equal, a heavier lock will resist more serious butchery.
> The closest I think you can get is to
> buy big strong heavy locks to leave in all the places you want to lock
> your bike up.
>
> I'd like someone to prove me wrong here.
The lateral thinking approach is have a folder which you don't lock up,
but take it in with you. Works in most places most of the time IME...
but that may not be enough :-(
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
P
Paul Boyd
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Peter Clinch said the following on 26/06/2008 11:26:
> Up to a point you can: you can make a high quality steel lock at less
> weight than a crappy mild steel one that is quite a bit stronger, for
> example, but you can only go so far down that road. All else being
> equal, a heavier lock will resist more serious butchery.
Do titanium locks exist? They ought to go some way towards the
strength/lightness we would like.
(NB - the word "cheap" was deliberately excluded!!)
--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
> Up to a point you can: you can make a high quality steel lock at less
> weight than a crappy mild steel one that is quite a bit stronger, for
> example, but you can only go so far down that road. All else being
> equal, a heavier lock will resist more serious butchery.
Do titanium locks exist? They ought to go some way towards the
strength/lightness we would like.
(NB - the word "cheap" was deliberately excluded!!)
--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
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bornfree
Guest
On 26 Jun, 12:34, Paul Boyd <[email protected]> wrote:
> Peter Clinch said the following on 26/06/2008 11:26:
>
> > Up to a point you can: you can make a high quality steel lock at less
> > weight than a crappy mild steel one that is quite a bit stronger, for
> > example, but you can only go so far down that road. All else being
> > equal, a heavier lock will resist more serious butchery.
>
> Do titanium locks exist? They ought to go some way towards the
> strength/lightness we would like.
>
> (NB - the word "cheap" was deliberately excluded!!)
>
In my quest for a light tough lock I have found the following
Master Lock Street Cuff http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/df/d6/6272_1.JPG
The Trelock Folding Cops Lock
http://tinyurl.com/5jkg7p
Don't know the weights yet though...
> Peter Clinch said the following on 26/06/2008 11:26:
>
> > Up to a point you can: you can make a high quality steel lock at less
> > weight than a crappy mild steel one that is quite a bit stronger, for
> > example, but you can only go so far down that road. All else being
> > equal, a heavier lock will resist more serious butchery.
>
> Do titanium locks exist? They ought to go some way towards the
> strength/lightness we would like.
>
> (NB - the word "cheap" was deliberately excluded!!)
>
In my quest for a light tough lock I have found the following
Master Lock Street Cuff http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/df/d6/6272_1.JPG
The Trelock Folding Cops Lock
http://tinyurl.com/5jkg7p
Don't know the weights yet though...
P
POHB
Guest
On 26 Jun, 12:34, Paul Boyd <[email protected]> wrote:
> Peter Clinch said the following on 26/06/2008 11:26:
> Do titanium locks exist? They ought to go some way towards the
> strength/lightness we would like.
I know it is "strong", but is titanium hard to cut?
> Peter Clinch said the following on 26/06/2008 11:26:
> Do titanium locks exist? They ought to go some way towards the
> strength/lightness we would like.
I know it is "strong", but is titanium hard to cut?
P
POHB
Guest
On 26 Jun, 13:29, bornfree <[email protected]> wrote:
> In my quest for a light tough lock I have found the following
>
> Master Lock Street Cuffhttp://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/df/d6/6272_1.JPG
>
> The Trelock Folding Cops Lockhttp://tinyurl.com/5jkg7p
>
> Don't know the weights yet though...
Lots of reviews here, including where they've actually tested them to
destruction:
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/locks
> In my quest for a light tough lock I have found the following
>
> Master Lock Street Cuffhttp://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/df/d6/6272_1.JPG
>
> The Trelock Folding Cops Lockhttp://tinyurl.com/5jkg7p
>
> Don't know the weights yet though...
Lots of reviews here, including where they've actually tested them to
destruction:
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/locks
B
bornfree
Guest
Master Lock Street Cuff -
1250grammes according to an ebay power seller.
The Trelock Folding Cops -
900grammes according to another powerseller
/What do you guys think of this/
http://i14.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/e8/11/016e_1.JPG
Raleigh armoured cable lock - 500grammes
My current bike (Raleigh Folder) isn't expensive enough to attract
hardcore thieves.. (I don't think). Also I don't leave it outside
overnight. However I plan on getting a flashy looking Specialized
Sirrus soon....
1250grammes according to an ebay power seller.
The Trelock Folding Cops -
900grammes according to another powerseller
/What do you guys think of this/
http://i14.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/e8/11/016e_1.JPG
Raleigh armoured cable lock - 500grammes
My current bike (Raleigh Folder) isn't expensive enough to attract
hardcore thieves.. (I don't think). Also I don't leave it outside
overnight. However I plan on getting a flashy looking Specialized
Sirrus soon....
B
bornfree
Guest
On 26 Jun, 13:58, POHB <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 26 Jun, 12:34, Paul Boyd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Peter Clinch said the following on 26/06/2008 11:26:
> > Do titanium locks exist? They ought to go some way towards the
> > strength/lightness we would like.
>
> I know it is "strong", but is titanium hard to cut?
OnGuard Bulldog Mini LS - £21.99
4 Stars
Weight 1.24kg
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cach...lldog+Mini+LS+weight&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk
or
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/locks/product/bulldog-mini-ls-16552
Ok 1.2kg isn't featherweight, but I plan to get this lock for my
future £400 Sirrus.
> On 26 Jun, 12:34, Paul Boyd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Peter Clinch said the following on 26/06/2008 11:26:
> > Do titanium locks exist? They ought to go some way towards the
> > strength/lightness we would like.
>
> I know it is "strong", but is titanium hard to cut?
OnGuard Bulldog Mini LS - £21.99
4 Stars
Weight 1.24kg
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cach...lldog+Mini+LS+weight&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk
or
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/locks/product/bulldog-mini-ls-16552
Ok 1.2kg isn't featherweight, but I plan to get this lock for my
future £400 Sirrus.
J
Just zis Guy, you know?
Guest
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:22:53 -0700 (PDT), bornfree
<[email protected]> said in
<c5dba623-e9b3-49fc-b138-1533996bfad7@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:
>I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
>attempts.
Oink, flap, oink, flap....
Guy
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<[email protected]> said in
<c5dba623-e9b3-49fc-b138-1533996bfad7@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:
>I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
>attempts.
Oink, flap, oink, flap....
Guy
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On Jun 26, 5:23 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:22:53 -0700 (PDT), bornfree
> <[email protected]> said in
> <c5dba623-e9b3-49fc-b138-1533996bf...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
> >attempts.
>
> Oink, flap, oink, flap....
>
No Guy. Not only do flying pigs not make good locks, they also get
immediately stolen - after all, when was the last time you saw a
flying pig (locking up a bike or otherwise)?
Tim.
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:22:53 -0700 (PDT), bornfree
> <[email protected]> said in
> <c5dba623-e9b3-49fc-b138-1533996bf...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
> >attempts.
>
> Oink, flap, oink, flap....
>
No Guy. Not only do flying pigs not make good locks, they also get
immediately stolen - after all, when was the last time you saw a
flying pig (locking up a bike or otherwise)?
Tim.
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Mark T
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bornfree writtificated
> In other words, I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
> attempts.
>
> Thanks!
The Abus Bordo 75 is under a kilo. Whilst it'll be easily broken through
with an angle grinder so will everything else.
The plus points are that the hinges prevent a thief getting a bottle jack
in, or from getting two parallel edges for it to push against. It's also
compact in your bag.
Combine this with a second lock decent lock to protect the front wheel and
prevent them from levering the lock apart (with your bike as the lever).
This is important because if try and fail to nick the bike this way you'll
be left with a dented, possibly borked, frame.
Still not light tho.
> In other words, I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
> attempts.
>
> Thanks!
The Abus Bordo 75 is under a kilo. Whilst it'll be easily broken through
with an angle grinder so will everything else.
The plus points are that the hinges prevent a thief getting a bottle jack
in, or from getting two parallel edges for it to push against. It's also
compact in your bag.
Combine this with a second lock decent lock to protect the front wheel and
prevent them from levering the lock apart (with your bike as the lever).
This is important because if try and fail to nick the bike this way you'll
be left with a dented, possibly borked, frame.
Still not light tho.
V
vernon
Guest
"bornfree" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Master Lock Street Cuff -
> 1250grammes according to an ebay power seller.
>
> The Trelock Folding Cops -
> 900grammes according to another powerseller
>
> /What do you guys think of this/
> http://i14.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/e8/11/016e_1.JPG
> Raleigh armoured cable lock - 500grammes
>
> My current bike (Raleigh Folder) isn't expensive enough to attract
> hardcore thieves.. (I don't think). Also I don't leave it outside
> overnight. However I plan on getting a flashy looking Specialized
> Sirrus soon....
All three will be defeated very quickly with bolt croppers or portable angle
grinders.
The Trelock and Raleigh look like they have vulnerable locks that would
succumb to serious poundings with a lump hammer.
news:[email protected]...
> Master Lock Street Cuff -
> 1250grammes according to an ebay power seller.
>
> The Trelock Folding Cops -
> 900grammes according to another powerseller
>
> /What do you guys think of this/
> http://i14.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/e8/11/016e_1.JPG
> Raleigh armoured cable lock - 500grammes
>
> My current bike (Raleigh Folder) isn't expensive enough to attract
> hardcore thieves.. (I don't think). Also I don't leave it outside
> overnight. However I plan on getting a flashy looking Specialized
> Sirrus soon....
All three will be defeated very quickly with bolt croppers or portable angle
grinders.
The Trelock and Raleigh look like they have vulnerable locks that would
succumb to serious poundings with a lump hammer.
V
vernon
Guest
"POHB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9148fed4-9a67-468d-8332-4e6acc179d2b@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 26 Jun, 10:22, bornfree <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In other words, I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
>> attempts.
>
> Don't we all. I don't think such a thing exists. Normally you can
> pick two of strong, cheap or light; but in the case of locks I don't
> think you can get stronger and lighter by increasing the amount of
> money you're willing to spend. The closest I think you can get is to
> buy big strong heavy locks to leave in all the places you want to lock
> your bike up.
>
> I'd like someone to prove me wrong here.
Paranoid owners will not leave locks behind as they signal a fixed parking
spot for cherished bikes/motorbikes. Theives have all the time in the world
to try picking the lock in the absence of the bike or squirt superglue into
the lock rendering it useless. Both nobbling methods have been reported in
motor cycle comics.
news:9148fed4-9a67-468d-8332-4e6acc179d2b@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 26 Jun, 10:22, bornfree <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In other words, I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
>> attempts.
>
> Don't we all. I don't think such a thing exists. Normally you can
> pick two of strong, cheap or light; but in the case of locks I don't
> think you can get stronger and lighter by increasing the amount of
> money you're willing to spend. The closest I think you can get is to
> buy big strong heavy locks to leave in all the places you want to lock
> your bike up.
>
> I'd like someone to prove me wrong here.
Paranoid owners will not leave locks behind as they signal a fixed parking
spot for cherished bikes/motorbikes. Theives have all the time in the world
to try picking the lock in the absence of the bike or squirt superglue into
the lock rendering it useless. Both nobbling methods have been reported in
motor cycle comics.
A
aquachimp
Guest
On Jun 26, 11:22 am, bornfree <[email protected]> wrote:
> In other words, I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
> attempts.
>
> Thanks!
perhaps the ratio should be simply weight to strengh, but weight to
possibly awkward to break.
I'm in Belgium, here, most bikes seem to come with a lock that sits
just under the seat. I'm sure someone here must be familiar with it.
When you want to lock-up, you turn the key slightly and push down a
knob/lever. A curved bar comes out one end and into the other between
the spokes (spelling?) of the wheel. When the lever is fully down, the
key is released (can't get it out otherwise). On return, insert key,
turn slightly and the lever pops up again releasing the back wheel.
Because the key is 'stuck' untill next use, you never have to
'remember' to bring it, which is also handy because you can attach the
key for another cable lock.
Only problem being, I've never tried to smash one of these rear seat
locks so I've no idea how good they really are.
> In other words, I want a "lightweight" lock which will withstand theft
> attempts.
>
> Thanks!
perhaps the ratio should be simply weight to strengh, but weight to
possibly awkward to break.
I'm in Belgium, here, most bikes seem to come with a lock that sits
just under the seat. I'm sure someone here must be familiar with it.
When you want to lock-up, you turn the key slightly and push down a
knob/lever. A curved bar comes out one end and into the other between
the spokes (spelling?) of the wheel. When the lever is fully down, the
key is released (can't get it out otherwise). On return, insert key,
turn slightly and the lever pops up again releasing the back wheel.
Because the key is 'stuck' untill next use, you never have to
'remember' to bring it, which is also handy because you can attach the
key for another cable lock.
Only problem being, I've never tried to smash one of these rear seat
locks so I've no idea how good they really are.
P
Pete Biggs
Guest
aquachimp wrote:
>
> perhaps the ratio should be simply weight to strengh, but weight to
> possibly awkward to break.
> I'm in Belgium, here, most bikes seem to come with a lock that sits
> just under the seat. I'm sure someone here must be familiar with it.
> When you want to lock-up, you turn the key slightly and push down a
> knob/lever. A curved bar comes out one end and into the other between
> the spokes (spelling?) of the wheel. When the lever is fully down, the
> key is released (can't get it out otherwise). On return, insert key,
> turn slightly and the lever pops up again releasing the back wheel.
> Because the key is 'stuck' untill next use, you never have to
> 'remember' to bring it, which is also handy because you can attach the
> key for another cable lock.
> Only problem being, I've never tried to smash one of these rear seat
> locks so I've no idea how good they really are.
I would be concerned about spoke damage if the bike was accidentally or
deliberately pushed.
Also of course these kind of locks don't stop anyone picking up the bike and
putting it into the back of a car or van.
~PB
>
> perhaps the ratio should be simply weight to strengh, but weight to
> possibly awkward to break.
> I'm in Belgium, here, most bikes seem to come with a lock that sits
> just under the seat. I'm sure someone here must be familiar with it.
> When you want to lock-up, you turn the key slightly and push down a
> knob/lever. A curved bar comes out one end and into the other between
> the spokes (spelling?) of the wheel. When the lever is fully down, the
> key is released (can't get it out otherwise). On return, insert key,
> turn slightly and the lever pops up again releasing the back wheel.
> Because the key is 'stuck' untill next use, you never have to
> 'remember' to bring it, which is also handy because you can attach the
> key for another cable lock.
> Only problem being, I've never tried to smash one of these rear seat
> locks so I've no idea how good they really are.
I would be concerned about spoke damage if the bike was accidentally or
deliberately pushed.
Also of course these kind of locks don't stop anyone picking up the bike and
putting it into the back of a car or van.
~PB
R
Rob Morley
Guest
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:05:30 +0200
"Pete Biggs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Also of course these kind of locks don't stop anyone picking up the
> bike and putting it into the back of a car or van.
>
They do if you use them to attach a loop of cable to something.
"Pete Biggs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Also of course these kind of locks don't stop anyone picking up the
> bike and putting it into the back of a car or van.
>
They do if you use them to attach a loop of cable to something.
T
Thunderbug
Guest
aquachimp wrote:
> I'm in Belgium, here, most bikes seem to come with a lock that sits
> just under the seat. I'm sure someone here must be familiar with it.
> When you want to lock-up, you turn the key slightly and push down a
> knob/lever. A curved bar comes out one end and into the other between
> the spokes (spelling?) of the wheel. When the lever is fully down, the
> key is released (can't get it out otherwise). On return, insert key,
> turn slightly and the lever pops up again releasing the back wheel.
> Because the key is 'stuck' untill next use, you never have to
> 'remember' to bring it, which is also handy because you can attach the
> key for another cable lock.
I just bought a Pashley Roadster Sovereign and it has such a lock.
While not relying on it for security, it is as you say a good reminder
that you have to lock your bike. Especially since I rarely locked my
bike at home... so with the keys 'locked' to the bike, I can't open my
front door until I lock the bike and retrieve my house key
While in Holland earlier in the year, I noticed that practically all of
their bikes have similar locks - and while most people used a chain/loop
of cable/D-lock as well, while sitting in the street I saw that people
popping into a shop quickly would typically use only the back wheel
lock. OK I guess in a pedestrianised are where no white van can take
your bike away, but I'm not going to chance the same here. Insured or
not, I don't want to wait another 6 weeks for a replacement Pashley!
> I'm in Belgium, here, most bikes seem to come with a lock that sits
> just under the seat. I'm sure someone here must be familiar with it.
> When you want to lock-up, you turn the key slightly and push down a
> knob/lever. A curved bar comes out one end and into the other between
> the spokes (spelling?) of the wheel. When the lever is fully down, the
> key is released (can't get it out otherwise). On return, insert key,
> turn slightly and the lever pops up again releasing the back wheel.
> Because the key is 'stuck' untill next use, you never have to
> 'remember' to bring it, which is also handy because you can attach the
> key for another cable lock.
I just bought a Pashley Roadster Sovereign and it has such a lock.
While not relying on it for security, it is as you say a good reminder
that you have to lock your bike. Especially since I rarely locked my
bike at home... so with the keys 'locked' to the bike, I can't open my
front door until I lock the bike and retrieve my house key
While in Holland earlier in the year, I noticed that practically all of
their bikes have similar locks - and while most people used a chain/loop
of cable/D-lock as well, while sitting in the street I saw that people
popping into a shop quickly would typically use only the back wheel
lock. OK I guess in a pedestrianised are where no white van can take
your bike away, but I'm not going to chance the same here. Insured or
not, I don't want to wait another 6 weeks for a replacement Pashley!
A
aquachimp
Guest
On Jun 28, 8:14 pm, Thunderbug <[email protected]> wrote:
> aquachimp wrote:
> > I'm in Belgium, here, most bikes seem to come with a lock that sits
> > just under the seat. I'm sure someone here must be familiar with it.
> > When you want to lock-up, you turn the key slightly and push down a
> > knob/lever. A curved bar comes out one end and into the other between
> > the spokes (spelling?) of the wheel. When the lever is fully down, the
> > key is released (can't get it out otherwise). On return, insert key,
> > turn slightly and the lever pops up again releasing the back wheel.
> > Because the key is 'stuck' untill next use, you never have to
> > 'remember' to bring it, which is also handy because you can attach the
> > key for another cable lock.
>
> I just bought a Pashley Roadster Sovereign and it has such a lock.
> While not relying on it for security, it is as you say a good reminder
> that you have to lock your bike. Especially since I rarely locked my
> bike at home... so with the keys 'locked' to the bike, I can't open my
> front door until I lock the bike and retrieve my house key
Lovely. But so true.
Also, like some of those momentary shoppers, it would be tempting to
not bother with locking at all. But then, the keys are dangling there
and a sense of ... well.... I'm not going to GIVE the thief a bike
with lock AND key and throw in a decent cable and its key with it too!
Click, clunk, slide.
>
> While in Holland earlier in the year, I noticed that practically all of
> their bikes have similar locks - and while most people used a chain/loop
> of cable/D-lock as well, while sitting in the street I saw that people
> popping into a shop quickly would typically use only the back wheel
> lock. OK I guess in a pedestrianised are where no white van can take
> your bike away, but I'm not going to chance the same here. Insured or
> not, I don't want to wait another 6 weeks for a replacement Pashley!
> aquachimp wrote:
> > I'm in Belgium, here, most bikes seem to come with a lock that sits
> > just under the seat. I'm sure someone here must be familiar with it.
> > When you want to lock-up, you turn the key slightly and push down a
> > knob/lever. A curved bar comes out one end and into the other between
> > the spokes (spelling?) of the wheel. When the lever is fully down, the
> > key is released (can't get it out otherwise). On return, insert key,
> > turn slightly and the lever pops up again releasing the back wheel.
> > Because the key is 'stuck' untill next use, you never have to
> > 'remember' to bring it, which is also handy because you can attach the
> > key for another cable lock.
>
> I just bought a Pashley Roadster Sovereign and it has such a lock.
> While not relying on it for security, it is as you say a good reminder
> that you have to lock your bike. Especially since I rarely locked my
> bike at home... so with the keys 'locked' to the bike, I can't open my
> front door until I lock the bike and retrieve my house key
Lovely. But so true.
Also, like some of those momentary shoppers, it would be tempting to
not bother with locking at all. But then, the keys are dangling there
and a sense of ... well.... I'm not going to GIVE the thief a bike
with lock AND key and throw in a decent cable and its key with it too!
Click, clunk, slide.
>
> While in Holland earlier in the year, I noticed that practically all of
> their bikes have similar locks - and while most people used a chain/loop
> of cable/D-lock as well, while sitting in the street I saw that people
> popping into a shop quickly would typically use only the back wheel
> lock. OK I guess in a pedestrianised are where no white van can take
> your bike away, but I'm not going to chance the same here. Insured or
> not, I don't want to wait another 6 weeks for a replacement Pashley!
A
aquachimp
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On Jun 28, 4:05 pm, "Pete Biggs"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> aquachimp wrote:
>
> > perhaps the ratio should be simply weight to strengh, but weight to
> > possibly awkward to break.
> > I'm in Belgium, here, most bikes seem to come with a lock that sits
> > just under the seat. I'm sure someone here must be familiar with it.
> > When you want to lock-up, you turn the key slightly and push down a
> > knob/lever. A curved bar comes out one end and into the other between
> > the spokes (spelling?) of the wheel. When the lever is fully down, the
> > key is released (can't get it out otherwise). On return, insert key,
> > turn slightly and the lever pops up again releasing the back wheel.
> > Because the key is 'stuck' untill next use, you never have to
> > 'remember' to bring it, which is also handy because you can attach the
> > key for another cable lock.
> > Only problem being, I've never tried to smash one of these rear seat
> > locks so I've no idea how good they really are.
>
> I would be concerned about spoke damage if the bike was accidentally or
> deliberately pushed.
The strenght of the spokes and short distance apart at the releveant
point of the wheel, in relation to the weight of the bike, means that
the wheel merely drags along with no noticeable damage sustained to
the spokes.
>
> Also of course these kind of locks don't stop anyone picking up the bike and
> putting it into the back of a car or van.
>
> ~PB
That advantage I mentioned, of having that lock's key attached to the
key for a cable lock...........
<[email protected]> wrote:
> aquachimp wrote:
>
> > perhaps the ratio should be simply weight to strengh, but weight to
> > possibly awkward to break.
> > I'm in Belgium, here, most bikes seem to come with a lock that sits
> > just under the seat. I'm sure someone here must be familiar with it.
> > When you want to lock-up, you turn the key slightly and push down a
> > knob/lever. A curved bar comes out one end and into the other between
> > the spokes (spelling?) of the wheel. When the lever is fully down, the
> > key is released (can't get it out otherwise). On return, insert key,
> > turn slightly and the lever pops up again releasing the back wheel.
> > Because the key is 'stuck' untill next use, you never have to
> > 'remember' to bring it, which is also handy because you can attach the
> > key for another cable lock.
> > Only problem being, I've never tried to smash one of these rear seat
> > locks so I've no idea how good they really are.
>
> I would be concerned about spoke damage if the bike was accidentally or
> deliberately pushed.
The strenght of the spokes and short distance apart at the releveant
point of the wheel, in relation to the weight of the bike, means that
the wheel merely drags along with no noticeable damage sustained to
the spokes.
>
> Also of course these kind of locks don't stop anyone picking up the bike and
> putting it into the back of a car or van.
>
> ~PB
That advantage I mentioned, of having that lock's key attached to the
key for a cable lock...........
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