Which steak is better?

Sheldon said:

Seerialmom said:

If you're talking about those frozen steaks that come in a package of
4-8; they aren't necessarily cheaper. Most come with some kind of
flavor/saline injection/preservative

If they're injected with flavor/saline they can't be USDA graded.

Sheldon

Which means you'll have no idea what grade they are; but chances are
unless they're one of those Omaha steaks they could be any grade with
artificial tenderizers added.

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James said:

Is it a good idea to freeze fresh steak when they are on sale?

Yes, but wrap them tightly in plastic wrap prior to freezing.

Quoted message said:

Usually already frozen steaks are cheaper than fresh.

Probably lower quality beef.

<[email hidden]> wrote...

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This place does online ordering, and apparently has a few
physical locations:

http://www.omahasteaks.com/servlet/OnlineShopping?DSP=114

VERY overpriced!

You can probably do almost as well in quality, and definitely in price, at
Costco.

OTOH, buying fresh steaks at your local supermarket or meat market, then
freezing them yourself, will likely be as good as omahasteaks at a MUCH cheaper
price!

John Weiss said:

<[email hidden]> wrote...

Quoted message said:

This place does online ordering, and apparently has a few
physical locations:

http://www.omahasteaks.com/servlet/OnlineShopping?DSP=114

VERY overpriced!

Not a very good value compared to a supermarket, no. But that's
what it costs to have something overnight shipped in a dry ice
container.

It's an apples and oranges comparison to a supermarket.

--
Reg

James said:

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

James said:

Is it a good idea to freeze fresh steak when they are on sale?
Usually already frozen steaks are cheaper than fresh.

I've never seen frozen steaks for sale.

Yes, I freeze steaks when I get them on sale.

Double bagged or vacuum sealed.
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I've seen a couple of places that sell large packages of individually
portioned steaks frozen steaks at good prices. When I looked closely
they are from Australia. Not sure if thats good or bad or indifferent.

Growing up as a kid we used to buy beef in bulk and wrap ourselves for
the freezer. Never had a problem with steaks.

James
James

I've got a meat market a couple miles from me that does the half a cow
processed however you want for your freezer thing. Problem is the cost
of power for a chest freezer would exceed any savings on the meat vs.
just getting it "fresh" as I need it from another market, based on how
long it would take a single guy to use up half a cow.

Pete C.

"Pete C." <[email hidden]> wrote

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I've got a meat market a couple miles from me that does the half a cow
processed however you want for your freezer thing. Problem is the cost
of power for a chest freezer would exceed any savings on the meat vs.
just getting it "fresh" as I need it from another market, based on how
long it would take a single guy to use up half a cow.

Even the price of a freezer alone, you would have to save a hell
of a lot on your purchases to make up that money. Then you
add the cost of running it, as you say.

Like the guy giving an estimate to replace my windows, his spiel
included How much is your heating bill. I told him, forget that
part of the presentation, I could have free heat till I'm dead and
buried and these windows will never pay for themselves that way.

Not sure he appreciated that. Oh, well.

nancy

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Melissa said:

Just don't freeze them in the wrapping they are in from the store. Re-wrap
in something that allows you to get as much air out as possible. Then use
them within 6 months at the most.

Melissa

I do.
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This place does online ordering, and apparently has a few
physical locations:

http://www.omahasteaks.com/servlet/OnlineShopping?DSP=114

And they've also been sending me spam the last few weeks.

And no, I haven't bought anything from them, ever, so I don't
have an existing business relationship with them.

- Logan

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Quoted message said:

Is it a good idea to freeze fresh steak when they are on sale?
Usually already frozen steaks are cheaper than fresh.

I usually freeze most of the steak I buy because I can't eat very much of it
at a single sitting. The market near me sells excellent USDA prime meats
and I like the boneless ribeye the best. I put them in sandwich size zip
lock bags and squeeze the air out as soon as I get home from the market.
When I thaw them out in warm water, it is hard to tell they have been
frozen.

I once bought some ribeyes online that the seller claimed to be USDA prime.
The LA Times gave this seller a great review. The steaks were garbage.

I suspect that most prepackaged steaks are garbage. I suspect they were
garbage before they were frozen.

Mitch

In article said:

Melissa <[email hidden]> wrote

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Omelet <[email hidden]> wrote

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James <[email hidden]> wrote

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Quoted message said:

> Is it a good idea to freeze fresh steak when they are on sale?
> Usually already frozen steaks are cheaper than fresh.

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I've never seen frozen steaks for sale.
Yes, I freeze steaks when I get them on sale.
Double bagged or vacuum sealed.

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Just don't freeze them in the wrapping they are in from the store.
Re-wrap in something that allows you to get as much air out as possible.

Its a lot easier to let the steak wet the plastic than to try getting as much
air out as possible.

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Then use them within 6 months at the most.

They're fine for longer than that if you let the steak wet the plastic before
freezing.

Hey, Rod! What are you doing here in rec.food.cooking? Or are you
just living frugally these days? (With no water in the creek down
there I suppose you have to be careful. :-) [The Condamine is running
again in the headwaters, maybe some will reach you. Pity the 713 mm
received at Rainbow Beach in the past 24 hours (to 9 a.m. 24 Aug 07)
just ran back into the bloody sea instead of into a dam somewhere! ]

Returning to topic: Oz MSA standards seem to be pretty reliable now,
certainly possible to get some really good chewing steak these days
fairly consistently (at a price!) instead of the traditional roulette!

Cheers, Phred.

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James said:

Is it a good idea to freeze fresh steak when they are on sale?
Usually already frozen steaks are cheaper than fresh.

I thought school was back in session? The best idea is to killfile anyone
who immediately cross-posts with stupid questions.

Dinner here tonight will be grilled Andouille sausage and yellow squash.

Jill

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John Weiss said:

<[email hidden]> wrote...

Quoted message said:

This place does online ordering, and apparently has a few
physical locations:

http://www.omahasteaks.com/servlet/OnlineShopping?DSP=114

VERY overpriced!

Not a very good value compared to a supermarket, no. But that's
what it costs to have something overnight shipped in a dry ice
container.

It's an apples and oranges comparison to a supermarket.

No, it's not "apples and oranges," it's "steaks and steaks." These are
two ways of getting essentially the same product and the various
elements that go into the price are all part of the picture.

--
Peter Aitken

Phred <[email hidden]> wrote

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Rod Speed <[email hidden]> wrote

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Melissa <[email hidden]> wrote

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Omelet <[email hidden]> wrote
> James <[email hidden]> wrote

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> Is it a good idea to freeze fresh steak when they are on sale?
>> Usually already frozen steaks are cheaper than fresh.

Quoted message said:

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> I've never seen frozen steaks for sale.
> Yes, I freeze steaks when I get them on sale.
> Double bagged or vacuum sealed.

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Just don't freeze them in the wrapping they are in from the store.
Re-wrap in something that allows you to get as much air out as possible.

Quoted message said:

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Its a lot easier to let the steak wet the plastic
than to try getting as much air out as possible.

Quoted message said:

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Then use them within 6 months at the most.

Quoted message said:

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They're fine for longer than that if you let the steak wet the
plastic before freezing.

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Hey, Rod!

Hay, Phred!!!

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What are you doing here in rec.food.cooking?

Its the result of the OP's original cross post.

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Or are you just living frugally these days?

Nope, just find the group interesting.

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(With no water in the creek down there I suppose you have to be careful. :-)

Its been a complete yawn for me, we only got watering restrictions at
the start of winter and I dont water in the winter anyway and we got
some decent rain in the first half of winter too, everything is quite green.

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[The Condamine is running again in the headwaters, maybe some will reach you.

Nar, that cant ever end up in my river unless we get another Noah type flood.

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Pity the 713 mm received at Rainbow Beach in the past 24 hours (to 9 a.m.
24 Aug 07) just ran back into the bloody sea instead of into a dam somewhere! ]

Yeah, looks like Noosa has been washed out to sea too.

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Returning to topic: Oz MSA standards seem to be pretty reliable now,
certainly possible to get some really good chewing steak these days
fairly consistently (at a price!) instead of the traditional roulette!

Thats a significant improvement for you denizens of the north. Tropical beef has never been that
flash.

Rod Speed said:

Phred <[email hidden]> wrote

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Rod Speed <[email hidden]> wrote

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Melissa <[email hidden]> wrote
> Omelet <[email hidden]> wrote
>> James <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>> Is it a good idea to freeze fresh steak when they are on sale?
>>> Usually already frozen steaks are cheaper than fresh.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> I've never seen frozen steaks for sale.
>> Yes, I freeze steaks when I get them on sale.
>> Double bagged or vacuum sealed.

Quoted message said:

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> Just don't freeze them in the wrapping they are in from the store.
> Re-wrap in something that allows you to get as much air out as possible.

Quoted message said:

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Its a lot easier to let the steak wet the plastic
than to try getting as much air out as possible.

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> Then use them within 6 months at the most.

Quoted message said:

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They're fine for longer than that if you let the steak wet the
plastic before freezing.

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Hey, Rod!

Hay, Phred!!!

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What are you doing here in rec.food.cooking?

Its the result of the OP's original cross post.

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Or are you just living frugally these days?

Nope, just find the group interesting.

Yeah interesting because of the unfrugal ways of so many here.

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(With no water in the creek down there I suppose you have to be careful. :-)

Its been a complete yawn for me, we only got watering restrictions at
the start of winter and I dont water in the winter anyway and we got
some decent rain in the first half of winter too, everything is quite green.

Quoted message said:

[The Condamine is running again in the headwaters, maybe some will reach you.

Nar, that cant ever end up in my river unless we get another Noah type flood.

Quoted message said:

Pity the 713 mm received at Rainbow Beach in the past 24 hours (to 9 a.m.
24 Aug 07) just ran back into the bloody sea instead of into a dam somewhere! ]

Yeah, looks like Noosa has been washed out to sea too.

Might bring them down to earth for a while, they've been getting a bit
uppity lately.
I must query the 713mm, i sense somebody's poured a jug of water into
the gauge. Nearby areas didn't get within coo-ee of that amount.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Returning to topic: Oz MSA standards seem to be pretty reliable now,
certainly possible to get some really good chewing steak these days
fairly consistently (at a price!) instead of the traditional roulette!

Thats a significant improvement for you denizens of the north. Tropical beef has never been that
flash.

It seems to have improved in the past years. In fact i'd almost
forgotten about that.

Jim.
http://inghamwebcam.com/
My dull website.

Jimington <[email hidden]> wrote

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Rod Speed <[email hidden]> wrote

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Phred <[email hidden]> wrote

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Rod Speed <[email hidden]> wrote
> Melissa <[email hidden]> wrote
>> Omelet <[email hidden]> wrote
>>> James <[email hidden]> wrote

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>>>> Is it a good idea to freeze fresh steak when they are on sale?
>>>> Usually already frozen steaks are cheaper than fresh.

Quoted message said:

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>>> I've never seen frozen steaks for sale.
>>> Yes, I freeze steaks when I get them on sale.
>>> Double bagged or vacuum sealed.

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>> Just don't freeze them in the wrapping they are in from the store.
>> Re-wrap in something that allows you to get as much air out as possible.

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> Its a lot easier to let the steak wet the plastic
> than to try getting as much air out as possible.

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>> Then use them within 6 months at the most.

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> They're fine for longer than that if you let the steak wet the
> plastic before freezing.

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Hey, Rod!

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Hay, Phred!!!

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What are you doing here in rec.food.cooking?

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Its the result of the OP's original cross post.

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Or are you just living frugally these days?

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Nope, just find the group interesting.

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Yeah interesting because of the unfrugal ways of so many here.

And for other reasons too.

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(With no water in the creek down there I suppose you have to be careful. :-)

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Its been a complete yawn for me, we only got watering restrictions at
the start of winter and I dont water in the winter anyway and we got
some decent rain in the first half of winter too, everything is quite green.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[The Condamine is running again in the headwaters, maybe some will reach you.

Quoted message said:

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Nar, that cant ever end up in my river unless we get another Noah type flood.

Quoted message said:

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Pity the 713 mm received at Rainbow Beach in the past 24 hours (to
9 a.m. 24 Aug 07) just ran back into the bloody sea instead of into
a dam somewhere! ]

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Yeah, looks like Noosa has been washed out to sea too.

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Might bring them down to earth for a while,

Or they might get washed out to sea |-)

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they've been getting a bit uppity lately.

True.

Quoted message said:

I must query the 713mm, i sense somebody's poured a jug of water
into the gauge. Nearby areas didn't get within coo-ee of that amount.

Yeah, I auto update the national rainfall map at 2pm.

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Returning to topic: Oz MSA standards seem to be pretty reliable now,
certainly possible to get some really good chewing steak these days
fairly consistently (at a price!) instead of the traditional roulette!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thats a significant improvement for you denizens of the north.
Tropical beef has never been that flash.

Quoted message said:

It seems to have improved in the past years. In fact i'd almost forgotten about that.

Presumably we send the worst of the tropical beef to the yanks now.

They just grind it up and wouldnt even notice.

Peter A said:

No, it's not "apples and oranges," it's "steaks and steaks." These are
two ways of getting essentially the same product and the various
elements that go into the price are all part of the picture.

You crack me up.

You wanna argue about the TRUE meaning of "Apples and Oranges"?

I think not.

But thanks anyway 🙂

--
Reg

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Phred <[email hidden]> wrote

[snip]

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What are you doing here in rec.food.cooking?

Its the result of the OP's original cross post.

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Or are you just living frugally these days?

Nope, just find the group interesting.

[snip]

Hmm... Maybe an old pov like me should drop in on
misc.consumers.frugal-living too. Especially given your
recommendation. ;-) Think I'll have a squiz at it tonight.

Cheers, Phred.

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Jimington <[email hidden]> wrote

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Rod Speed <[email hidden]> wrote

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Phred <[email hidden]> wrote

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> Pity the 713 mm received at Rainbow Beach in the past 24 hours (to
> 9 a.m. 24 Aug 07) just ran back into the bloody sea instead of into
> a dam somewhere! ]

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Yeah, looks like Noosa has been washed out to sea too.

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Might bring them down to earth for a while,

Or they might get washed out to sea |-)

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they've been getting a bit uppity lately.

True.

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I must query the 713mm, i sense somebody's poured a jug of water
into the gauge. Nearby areas didn't get within coo-ee of that amount.

It does look a bit sus. Tewantin and Double Is Pt both got a bit over
300 mm, but that's a long way short of 713 -- maybe they measured in
points and forgot to divide by four. :-) However, it must be said
the met bureau guy seemed to be taking it seriously on the Country
Hour weather summary yesterday (24 Aug 2007).

That part of the world seems to have a history of unusual rainfall
events. I've always been suspicious of Inigo Jones's record from
Crohamhurst, for example. But then, maybe it takes a professional
weather forecaster to keep emptying the gauge before it overflows!

Quoting from the biog of Inigo Jones at:
<http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A090511b.htm>

"In 1892 his parents bought a farm about sixty miles (97 km) north of
Brisbane and named it Crohamhurst after a property near Inigo's
birthplace. Inigo joined them there and on 2 February 1893 recorded an
Australian record for one day's rainfall of 37.714 inches (958 mm)."

{Did he *really* measure to thousandths of an inch?]

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Yeah, I auto update the national rainfall map at 2pm.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Returning to topic: Oz MSA standards seem to be pretty reliable now,
> certainly possible to get some really good chewing steak these days
> fairly consistently (at a price!) instead of the traditional roulette!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thats a significant improvement for you denizens of the north.
Tropical beef has never been that flash.

Quoted message said:

It seems to have improved in the past years. In fact i'd almost forgotten

about that.

Presumably we send the worst of the tropical beef to the yanks now.

They just grind it up and wouldnt even notice.

The "hamburger trade" was the saviour of the northern beef cattle
industry decades ago, and continues to be a major market for the
lesser quality beef. The yanks like the low-fat grass-fed product to
mix with their own stuff for healthier burgers. :-)

Cheers, Phred.

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Phred <[email hidden]> wrote

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Rod Speed <[email hidden]> wrote

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Jimington <[email hidden]> wrote

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Rod Speed <[email hidden]> wrote
> Phred <[email hidden]> wrote

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>> Pity the 713 mm received at Rainbow Beach in the past
>> 24 hours (to 9 a.m. 24 Aug 07) just ran back into the
>> bloody sea instead of into a dam somewhere! ]

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> Yeah, looks like Noosa has been washed out to sea too.

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Might bring them down to earth for a while,

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Or they might get washed out to sea |-)

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they've been getting a bit uppity lately.

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True.

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I must query the 713mm, i sense somebody's poured a jug of water
into the gauge. Nearby areas didn't get within coo-ee of that amount.

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It does look a bit sus.

Dunno, after the ABC TV News footage last night, something made the two
rivers overflow to levels you only ever see a couple of times a century, so
presumably it was real and not someone playing silly buggers with the rain guage.

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Tewantin and Double Is Pt both got a bit over 300 mm, but that's a long way
short of 713 -- maybe they measured in points and forgot to divide by four. :-)

Its not that unusual to get that much variation between guages that close.

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However, it must be said the met bureau guy seemed to be taking it
seriously on the Country Hour weather summary yesterday (24 Aug 2007).

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That part of the world seems to have a history of unusual rainfall events.

Yeah, I've never seen rain like it.

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I've always been suspicious of Inigo Jones's record from Crohamhurst,
for example. But then, maybe it takes a professional weather forecaster
to keep emptying the gauge before it overflows!

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Quoting from the biog of Inigo Jones at:
<http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A090511b.htm>

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"In 1892 his parents bought a farm about sixty miles (97 km) north
of Brisbane and named it Crohamhurst after a property near Inigo's
birthplace. Inigo joined them there and on 2 February 1893 recorded
an Australian record for one day's rainfall of 37.714 inches (958 mm)."

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{Did he *really* measure to thousandths of an inch?]

Or maybe thats just the result of a couple of reverse metric conversions.

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Yeah, I auto update the national rainfall map at 2pm.

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>> Returning to topic: Oz MSA standards seem to be pretty reliable
>> now, certainly possible to get some really good chewing steak these
>> days fairly consistently (at a price!) instead of the traditional roulette!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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> Thats a significant improvement for you denizens of the north.
> Tropical beef has never been that flash.

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It seems to have improved in the past years. In fact i'd almost forgotten about that.

Quoted message said:

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Presumably we send the worst of the tropical beef to the yanks now.

Quoted message said:

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They just grind it up and wouldnt even notice.

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The "hamburger trade" was the saviour of the northern
beef cattle industry decades ago, and continues to be
a major market for the lesser quality beef.

Yeah, thats what I meant.

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The yanks like the low-fat grass-fed product to
mix with their own stuff for healthier burgers. :-)

And they dont even notice the kangaroo mixed in with it.

Phred <[email hidden]> wrote

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Rod Speed <[email hidden]> wrote

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Phred <[email hidden]> wrote

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What are you doing here in rec.food.cooking?

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Its the result of the OP's original cross post.

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Or are you just living frugally these days?

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Nope, just find the group interesting.

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Hmm... Maybe an old pov like me should drop in on
misc.consumers.frugal-living too. Especially given your
recommendation. ;-) Think I'll have a squiz at it tonight.

Its gone down hill quite a bit from what it used to be.

Guess its the sort of thing that is easily covered and doesnt change much over time.

The title does attract a lot of spam too.