Who do you think is doping in the '09 tour?
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easthwk said:
Don't let these hatchet men put you off. It's true there was a wide spread doping problem in the 1990s. But even then it didn't make much difference to the results because everybody was using it. You couldn't suddenly win because you decided to take EPO. But since testing has improved, the problem has gone down dramatically, with the last few years only a hand full of people doing it. The vast majority of the peleton this year is clean, and that certainly includes the top riders who are now scrutinised more than ever. Due to the new blood passsport scheme, and the fact results are offically kept in proper storage for seven years after the race, it's just not worth it anymore. But some socalled fans like to sound intelligent and 'in the know' by pretending nothing has changed and everybody who wins a stage is on something. It's just not the reality.
greg52 said:
great post and research. armstrong should be read too though, no amount of legal wrangling can cover up those failed epo and corticoid tests. leipheimer too is a known doper. pretty much everyone who raced on any lance team is. heres a fun article
Non-Doping Cyclists Finish Tour De France | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
classic1 said:
that stood out.
The only one with some doubt, would be Evans. But heard from the Dutch journo who used to post here, he worked with Ferrari. But the journo coulda conflated Rogers and Evans.
Sastre at ONCE and CSC. Can anyone seriously believe he was clean.
Evans was on Mapei, T-Mobile. But hear the 2004 Vuelta, where everyone pulled out, Vino and the rest, besides Evans, Konecny, and Zabel, that it was the ol' food poisoning euphemism. Food poisoning with bad blood transfusions. But Zabel, Evans and Konecny, did not get the transfusion. Vino and the other Germans did.
My question is why don't baseball, football, basketball and others have to be tested everytime they turn around. It's like bikers have to adhere to such strict rules. If they have to be tested and they aren't around they had better have a damn good excuse. They always make bikers answer to such scrutiny. When we have many felons playing football. When they catch bikers doping their career is screwed, because they get no endorsements. It's not like basketball where you can be accused of rape and still be able to endorse products. Would Lance Armstrong still be racing bikes if he was charged with rape? No way.
Grater said:
YOU got banned there? You're probably one of the most vanilla posters I've seen on any forum. What happened? Did you exceed your quota of predictions?
Seriously what happened?
bicycledick said:
With your screenname, I hesitate to even take your comments seriously but I'm going to overlook that issue for a moment.
To address your emotional rant directed at football and basketball - interesting you didn't include baseball, professional soccer, weightlifting, biathlon, pro wrestling, etc. in your little rant. I'm pretty sure I know the reason why as the majority constituents of pro football and basketball are fairly easy to distinguish, but I'll overlook that issue too for the moment.
1. This argument "they're picking on us and allowing the other sports to get away with proverbial murder" is silly. Only in cycling is/has doping been so well established/entrenched/condoned/promoted that you're almost castigated by your management and other racers if you don't dope. That attitude is changing - maybe.
As a former pro football player, I KNOW that taking steroids was NOT a rampant entity on any of the several teams I played for. The same can not be said of doping for most pro cycling teams.
Pro cycling needs to focus on its own dirty laundry and messy backyard rather than trying to put things in perspective by looking over the fence and pointing the dirty finger at other sports' messy backyard. Doing serves no purpose in cleaning up pro cycling. All it does is provide fuel and traction for rationalization the pervasive doping in pro cycling.
2. Who is this "they" to which you refer? The media? The UCI? The World Anti-Doping Agency. You personally? Probably not you as you seem to sympathize with the doping in pro cycling. If it's media, then "they"'ve also hounded track and field as well as cyclists.
3. Your attitude attempts to make pro cycling's dopers out as unfairly scrutinized victims, and this is the furthest thing from the truth. Dopers are selfish cheats and frauds that are taking money out of the pockets of clean pro racers - if there really is/are such a thing, and the sport as a whole as sponsor money is leaving/has left cycling because of the tarnished rep of pro cycling.
Doping takes alot of complicity on a number of levels (doctors, soigneurs, directors, management, etc...) and I don't believe there are single, rogue pro racers that are doing their dope such a manner that no one else knows. Dopers - in any sport - "make their bed" and they should "lay in it" when they're busted.
4. Get your facts straight before you start making wild accusations. I'd like for you to name a few of the "many" convicted felon pro football players. There are maybe 2300 or so pro football players, so what constitutes "many"?
5. Think about it for a moment - you're "accused" of something, but not convicted. Should YOU lose endorsements because someone said you committed a crime that you did not commit?
I'll stop at this juncture as I'm sure I've made my point and don't feel like expending any further energy on this lame argument...
Cobblestones said:
I think it's because of what I said. You know how we can joke on here - like I mentioned that stuff about Armstrong in the "Is he paying people thread?". Well, I stepped over the mark.
WBT started the topic, will Armstrong help Armstrong up Ventoux. I then said the following. "Yes he will. He's doing what he did since 1999, dope. He took his EPO dose yesterday morning in preparation for today. He'll be fine."
If I said that here, we'd be fine. Nothing will happen!
Naturally, they probably **** themselves, deleted the comment and then banned me.
I think that's what it was for. Unless they got sick of me bagging the **** out of Phil Liggett. Who, mind you, makes at least 1000 mistakes every race he calls!
Football players have always taken steroids. Bikers can't take vitamins or any kind of supplement. The bikers are the true athletes. Football players are boneheads. Phil Liggett doens't make mistakes like that does he?
The biggest crime is that this foundation of Lance's to cure cancer is a joke. A bottle of food grade hydrogen peroxide or hemp oil and you're good to go. The cancer industry is using Lance Armstrong. I hope Lance will learn the truth and come out and let people know the cancer industry is one big lie.
The biggest crime is that this foundation of Lance's to cure cancer is a joke. A bottle of food grade hydrogen peroxide or hemp oil and you're good to go. The cancer industry is using Lance Armstrong. I hope Lance will learn the truth and come out and let people know the cancer industry is one big lie.
Football players, basketball players and baseball players work about 1% as much as long distance bicyclers. They shouldn't have to take steroids. The only ones close are the long distance runners. These people work. While football players run 20' and stop and huddle. Football, baseball and basketball I don't know which one is the biggest joke.
I'm not defending them. But steroids are illegal and WWF wrestlers and body builders use them. Why are they so strict on bike riders. I mean if you use something that's not banned. Maybe it's just something natural why is is such a big deal.
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