Who is on the list of BANNED, GUILTY FIRED etc. cyclists due to doping

Who is on this list?

This came to mind in a split second

Floyd Landis
Marco Pantani
David Millar
Ivan Basso
Jan Ulrich
Ricco what's his name...
Vino
Michael Rasmussen
"Tricky" Beltran

WHO ELSE???

 

Do you get taken off the list when you're dead ?

 

Taken off like Pantani... OK you're right. I will say to my kids it is ok to be a doper as long as you die from a cocaine O.D. Sorry Elvis I am starch on this one, no insult to your question, just to Marco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Pantani

A roll model he was not.

Oh you can toss Tyler Hamilton on that list as well... Except he's not dead.

 

here are some more...

Alex Zulle
Bjarne Riis

...plus many of the personalities currently in Rock Racing... including Hamilton.

 

Thanks Cyclo... I appreciate the help! What was the name of the guy who's girlfriend (I think it was) was found with doping materials in her car trunk??

~CJ~

 

Can't remember the name of the guy... if I recall right he was from the former Soviet Union. However I just remembered another guy who confessed to doping and this is the former King of the Mountains Richard Virenque who was a member of the infamous Festina team, a team which was also accused of organizing the use of performance enhancing drugs by all its members.

 

LOL Cyclo... DUH ON ME! I have the Lotto Domo Jersey (STILL) from the Virenque (Spell check me) years... Dunno how I forgot him... I am sure there are a ton of other names... Lemme google "Cycling Dopers" etc...

 

Third time I am trying this... These come from this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operaci%C3%B3n_Puerto_doping_case

Francisco Mancebo

Constantino Zaballa
Alejandro Valverde

Jose Ignacio Gutierrez
Jose Enrique Gutierrez
Santiago Botero

Carlos Zarate
Koldo Gil


Oscar Sevilla

Jorge Jaksche

Carlos Garcia Quesada

Michele Bartoli
Angel Casero
Roberto Heras
Santiago Perez

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/07/98/tour_de_france/134842.stm


Along with Virenque his Festina teammates were Alex Zulle, Pascal Herve, Laurent Dufaux, Christophe Moreau, Armin Meier, Didier Rous and Neil Stephens. They were all thrown out of 1998 TdF.

1987

Mark Walsham, Great Britain

Willi Tackaert, Belgium



2008

Barloworld

Moisés Dueñas Nevado



Frankie Andreu (He is the lisping guy on the Versus Network… WTF!... )

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/12/sports/othersports/12cycling.html?scp=7&sq=cyclist%20EPO&st=cse



I am all for a lifetime ban on cyclists Pro or otherwise giving the rest of us a bad name… I know that paying attention to this sport is probably more prominent in Europe than it will ever be here in the US, but someone should make a real stand… You want to ban Astana… Great (Stupid).. Then hand out lifetime bans to riders as well… Otherwise the world gets filled with guys who make Hall of Fames like drug addicts that struggle to come clean. i.e. Lawrence Taylor from the NFL. How many times was he given a second chance… There were so many stories about him on the news … even after retirement that it all blurred into one story. Now over time people are forgetting his actions because of other sports bad boys. These are the role models of our children? IS this all we have? The best we can do? NICE! I don’t even want to touch upon baseball… I have lost faith in the serious depth of it’s governing body. I used to say, “Barry Bonds!” That became, “Barry who?” which changed into, “Barry? Who cares!” It is that final label that the players want most, that means people have begun giving up the convictions and the issue is that much closer to slipping from mind… it isn’t forgiveness it becomes more like forget-ness and that is not a proper sentence for substance abuse. The worst thing is it becomes a terrible teaching tool to future generations of athletes.



In closing I want to say that it would be great if we could differentiate between drug addicts, cheaters and athletes.

 

I don't know why cycling gets such a bad rap. Testing in football, baseball, and soccer is a complete joke. The doping problems in those sports are at least as bad as in cycling, but I guess there's more money to be made by those larger organizations when superstars break records, and those organization know that's what brings in the fans and sells merchandise. I used to have to bite my lip at work and just shake my head when the die hard, frothing at the mouth football and baseball types dissed cycling because - heaven forbid - they had dopers. I guess "denial" is not just a river in Egypt.

 

Kashechkin
Mayo
Kessler
Petacchi

 

Marco Pantani is still inspiring to me to this day. He is one of the greatest climbers of all time, not withstanding drug use. I think we all know by now that all pro riders use some kind of drugs. It has been part of the sport since the beginning of Tour de France. Cycling is hard and "no one wins the tour on mineral water" .

 

Sinkeitz!

 

Lance Armstrong

 

Sorry Armstrong only makes the list in the minds of those who want him to be guilty. No matter how much you may dislike him, he is still clean in the eyes of history (drug tested and settled) and that footprint now rests for all of time so it seems... I can't imagine his case being reopened unless some very serious proof comes forward... Not impossible, just doubtful.

 

hard proof... like six b samples that contained EPO aren't proof enough... what a joke!!!

sure he isn't officially guilty but c'mon... you don't see that he got off on a technicality? and a completely idiotic one at that.. you need both an a and b sample to get a positive.. but he actually had SIX POSITIVE B's.. so it's all good?? the naivety of some is pretty pathetic! please get a clue!

Lance Armstrong was definitely busted with 6 positive sample containing EPO.. only in the eyes of the ignorant, naive or those who really want him to be clean is he innocent.

 

Tammy Thomas

yes... yes that's a female i.e. 1st name is Tammy.. she might actually do jail time like Marion Jones for lying to congress...

 

You seem to be in the know and since I have spent much of my time deployed, perhaps you could enlighten me and all of us less informed with where the positive "A" samples or test results are. So like you said, "I haven't a clue".

I heard it put this way once: If females were the "A" samples, males were the "B" samples and Noah could only round up the "B"s... The issues with "B"s die like the Armstrong "B" situation did.

 

Thanks for the photo... I was gonna eat dinner this evening, but now I think I will skip it...

 

it's a long sworded tail..

the samples that contained EPO were from 1999... when a urine sample is taken from an athlete it's separated into an A vile and a B vile so it can go through the testing procedure twice so positives can be confirmed. the A samples were tested at that time.. a time when there was no test for EPO, so of course they came back negative... the B samples were never used since the A's were negative... but were kept frozen for research.

In 2005 the UCI ordered a retrospective research, anonymous test of the B samples left over from the 1999 tour in order to see how well their current tests were working.. 1999 would be at a time when no one was actually trying to hide their use since EPO was undetectable at the time... so they could also see what percentage of the peleton would use a product if it was undetectable.. there would be lots of use for the project...

when a urine sample is given the same code is attached to the paper work and the sample so that the sample, the paper work and the athlete can be linked up later. Unfortunately/fortunately WADA used this same code for its samples they tested in 2005... but they didn't have the paper work to link it to athletes, so the test was still anonymous.

long story short a scheming LeMond reporter who saw and had a copy of the results of 1999 B samples and saw the codes along the side managed to get Armstrong and the head of the UCI's permission to show him and even to photocopy Armstrong's paper work from 1999... under the false pretence that he wanted to write a story to prove that Armstrong didn't have any special permission to use EPO because of his cancer (a common misperception that some even now believe). anyway, with the forms from the 1999 tour that had the codes and the tests of the B samples from 1999, tested in 2005 which also had the same codes it was possible to see which samples were Armstrong's... turns out 6 of the sample from the 1999 tour that contained EPO over the limit were Armstrong's.

these results can never be used to ban or secure a positive result for Armstrong because 1) they are B samples and by the letter... you need an A and a B sample positive to get a positive test. 2) the WADA procedures were not followed to the letter since this was meant to be a research project and never meant to convict anyone.. but of course this is a world renowned lab... they did follow standard lab procedures

but you need to ask yourself if just two sample.. an A and a B can be used to corroborate each other and is enough to convict someone of drug use... what do you make of 6 samples, many on consecutive days of the tour that contain EPO? sure he can never be deemed positive officially because of the technicalities but C'MON... it's a technicality, the guy is guilty as hell... that's obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.