Who is the greatest rider of all-time

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Who is the greatest rider of all-time

  1. Bernard Hinault

    10 vote(s)
    1.0%
  2. Fausto Coppi

    24 vote(s)
    2.5%
  3. Francesco Moser

    28 vote(s)
    2.9%
  4. Eddy Merckx

    2 vote(s)
    0.2%
  5. Gino Bartali

    604 vote(s)
    63.1%
  6. Luison Bobet

    4 vote(s)
    0.4%
  7. Felice Gimondi

    1 vote(s)
    0.1%
  8. Rik Van Looy

    2 vote(s)
    0.2%
  9. Lance Armstrong

    2 vote(s)
    0.2%
  10. Miguel Indurain

    280 vote(s)
    29.3%
  1. ErikdeVlaeminck

    ErikdeVlaeminck New Member

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    I voted for Eddy.
    but, i'd add Laurent Jalabert to the list
    an hors categorie cyclist
     


  2. hemplands

    hemplands New Member

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    I voted for EddyMerckx as well, even though I'll probably get a clip round the ear for doing it because I am having a continual argument with a Fausto Coppi fan.

    To my mind LA just doesn't make the grade, if ego's won races he'd scoop everything.

    Eddy did his using the grey matter that he was born with and he could read a race, and not have the delights of a team manager shouting at him through an earpiece.

    Cycle racing should go back to its roots, man and machine against the world. Alright leave all the new technologies on the bike but the skill of the racer should prevail, because all they seem to be now are 'Yes men' following orders.
     
  3. jstraw

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    Yeah, it would be something if Armstrong could back up that ego with some results alright.
     
  4. hemplands

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    I've just been looking at www.cyclinghalloffame.com website. If you want any further proof at the greatest cyclist check there. Eddy Merckx has 21730points in first place and Lance has 6930 in 10th place. In between there is Hinault, Coppi, Bartali, Anquetil, Indurain, Gimondi, Bobet and Zoetemelk. I know Lance is the only one still racing but making up nearly 14000 points well pigs might fly.
     
  5. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    An excellent point, Hemplands - but I want to expand the case that you make because if you look at the weighting that's given to races at www.cyclinghalloffame.com (and we have both discussed this at another site !!!!), you will see that TDF get's
    a weighting 1200 for each victory
    So Armstrong's rating 6,930 is made up of five 1200 victories in
    the TDF (=6000 points), plus, er, 930 points for his bulging palmares !!!!!!!.
    As I've stated elsewhere - LANCE YOU'VE GOT TO WIN ANOTHER
    12.33 TOURS DE FRANCE TO BE CONSIDERED THE GREATEST RIDER EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    EVER
     
  6. rob of the og

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    Rivals: Rominger and Zülle were both big tour winners, he thrashed Lemond in 1991, Bugno was a world champion with a strong team, Chiappucci was as good a climber as Pantani. In Armstrong's time there are 2 other tour winners in the field: Pantani and Ullrich; in Indurain's Lemond, Fignon, Delgado, Roche and (albeit later) Riis and Pantani (also Ullrich, but Mig never beat him)

    Domination: How about the Lac Madine itt in 1992 when over 60km he put 3.30 into the next man (Bugno) or the climb to Hautacam in 1993 that demolished the whole field. How many times has Lance surprised his rivals and attacked on the flat (the day before a tt no less!) as Mig did in 93? In many ways Indurain is Armstrong's model, and you can look to his "strategic losses" esp to Rominger as model for Lance's early tour victories over Pantani.

    My only problem with Mig though was that it all tailed off a bit. The last 2 victories were nowhere near as dramatic as the 1st 3. There were also some key losses, eg to Berzin in the 94 Giro, costing him the 3rd straight Giro-Tour double, then to Ugromov in the hilly tt of the 94 tour. We thought it was all boring at the time, but what an era to have been a cycling fan in :)
     
  7. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    Excellent points - and indeed the stength of any achievements
    in our sport need to be assessed against the level of ability
    of the opposition.
    This era (since 199:cool: has been poor as regards the level of really top quality riders.
    In fact, I cannot recall an era where the level of top quality consistenet cyclists has been so poor.

    As you point out the late 80' and early 90's were competitive.
    Look at Hinaults era too : Fignon, Delgado, Kelly, Anderson,
    LeMond, Rooks, Roche, Millar, Lajerreta etc.
    Quality opposition for both Indurain and Hinault : simply endorses
    their great achievements againts quality opposition,
     
  8. mjolnir2k

    mjolnir2k New Member

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    Too many posts to sort through, but this one is easy:

    Eddy Merckx

    all you have to do is look at his palmares v. ANYONE else and there is no question.
     
  9. Michuel

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    On what basis is Chiapucci as good a climber as Pantani? Pantani holds the record on Alpe d'Huez and I'm not aware of Chiapucci getting near his time. Chiapucci was a good tryer who was daring and enlivened the Tour - for instance trying to outbluff Lemond or making suicide breakaways and winning when not in contention for maillot jaune. But Pantani was fast and feared by everyone on mountains - I'd rate him just behind Gaul, Bahamontes over the last 50 years.
     
  10. rob of the og

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    Sestriere 1992. Possibly the finest mountain ride of recent times. Can you think of another example of a genuine GC contender pulling off that sort of thing?
     
  11. Michuel

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    Hi Rob

    Yes it was a great victory for Chiappucci and commentators rank it among the greatest stages. At the time I tended to downgrade his performance thinking it was an easy victory before the next day's bigger mountain stage of AdH tho now I see it gave hime a 1m45s deficit on Indurain which eroded to 4m but still 2nd at Paris (after ITT). Chiappucci had the spirit that Armstrong's competitor's don't have, but I think Pantani had that same fire (I think Chiappucci chose Pantani as a youngster for his team but they quickly fell out - too big egos).
     
  12. limerickman

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    Got to agree Pantani is up their with Gaul and Bahamontes
    as one of the all times great, great climbers.
    I'd put Van Impe there as well.
     
  13. soneca2

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    Eddy Merckx by far.
     
  14. apolack1

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    except of course those tours he entered in and never even finished, right. remember how he didnt finish any of the tours he entered until 99? Oh yeah, and then in 99 remember how he was gifted the win when no one else could compete b/c of the scandal the previous year?
     
  15. limerickman

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    Originally posted by Cycling expert
    Merckx is no comparism to armstrong.
    Merckx never had any serious competition and also got gifted a tour when the leader by 20mins crashed out.
    If it wasn't for that fluke he wouldn't be in the 5-time winner list.
    Lance would win every tour he entered if he bothered.

    Cycling Expert,
    Are you suggesting that LA is better tham Merckx ?
     
  16. tomdavis80

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    "Originally posted by Cycling expert
    Merckx is no comparism to armstrong.
    Merckx never had any serious competition and also got gifted a tour when the leader by 20mins crashed out.
    If it wasn't for that fluke he wouldn't be in the 5-time winner list.
    Lance would win every tour he entered if he bothered. "

    Whoa, whoa, cyclingexpert, you're wrong on your assumption that Lance could win every Tour if he bothered. The problem is trying to peak for every Giro, TDF, and Vuelta. That's very difficult to do and so far no modern cyclist wants to try or even if they've tried, they've failed. Secondly, Eddy Merckx may have gotten gifted a tour, but so has practically every 5 time Tour winner. Even if the leader crashed out, what's the difference? The end result matters, Eddy won that tour. When Eddy was trying to win his 6th, you could say that the winner of that year's tour got gifted, that's because Eddy got punched in the stomach pretty damn hard by a fan, go figure. Also, food for thought, Lance was built like a linebacker and a terrible climber before he had cancer, the answer's no, not a chance in hell would he have possible won every tour if he cared.

    Apolack1, don't knock Lance because he was "gifted" a tour. He had to fight off a couple rivals that year and a couple of them were quite nasty. The doping scandal didn't happen in '98, it happened in '97. I am sure that every rider here and there has occasionally gotten a cheap win because another rival was off form or crashed out or whatever and that's part of bike racing, get used to it. Besides, Richard Virenque and Alex Zulle were competing against him that year, two quality opponents.

    Thomas Davis
     
  17. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    Cycling Expert : these another thread in this forum called Oxymoron : with the comments that you made above and with your name : I suggest that you confine your comments to the Oxy-moron thread !

    Tom : I agree with your sentiments : one issue Festina Scandal broke while the TDF was here in Dublin on June 25th 1998, and not 1997.
    (Willy Voet was arrested on the day of the Prologue in city centre Dublin).
    But I agree with what you've said.
     
  18. lucky36

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    Eddy Merckx is realy the Greatest Rider of all-time !
     
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    Eddy Merckx is without doubt the greatest racing cyclist who ever lived.
     
  20. drewjc

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    I agree That Eddy Merckx was the greatest cyclist of all time. Who else won the green, polka dot and yellow all in the same yr not to mention multiple worlds, paris-roubaix, giros and vueltas. Sorry but Lance is a modern champion but not by any means the greatest of all time.
     
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