Who one the 1st president debate?

Discussion in 'Your Bloody Soap Box' started by KeSs, Sep 30, 2004.

  1. lokstah

    lokstah New Member

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    I think you both made good points when you pointed out how artificial and stilted these debates are. To be fair, there are still quality political debates in the United States, but they're rare; on top of that, this particular situation (the Kerry-Bush race) is a bad-debate perfect storm.

    It's the most closely watched, emotionally charged and electorate-polarizing race in ages, so there's an exaggerated sense of high stakes. Presidential races are always high stakes, of course, but this is a new day.

    Each succesive election year also sees greater and greater evolutions in the media, and in the information technology we respond to -- polling sciences, internet services, blogs, advocacy sites, fundraising techniques and news delivery methods are all more varied and extreme than they were 4, 8, or 12 years ago.

    Throw into the mix a particularly unusual matchup of personalities and styles: could these two guys give off more different auras? It's such a odd missmatch that each side has feverishly over-strategized how to simply appear human next to the other guy. The Bush team has overworked the hell out of preventing the president from coming across as a moron who's too short; the Kerry boys have overworked the hell out of preventing the senator from looking like a wordy jerk with an enormous, wrinkled brow. Every word has been focus-grouped for offensiveness, effectiveness, stickability, toughness and sensitivity.

    The lack of real interaction makes it feel like watching two guys play a video game about debating.
     


  2. lokstah

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    I think the VEEP debate has a greater probability of looking and feeling more natural, and with a greater exchange of arguments. Both Cheney and Edwards are perceived as intelligent and articulate guys; there's less pressure to ensure that one or the other doesn't appear immensely more intellectual or simple than the other, and less pressure for VEEPs in general to be congenial. I suspect (hope) they'll speak a bit more freely.
     
  3. Bikerman2004

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    It almost as if they are pre-packaged. Like going to the grocery store to buy something. Which package is more attractive, which is more appealing, regardless of the actual product inside. But that is typical America today.
     
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    Predictabily, Bush looked like a blithering idiot. Or maybe like a high school snot, snearing at everyone.
     
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    Yea, the 'Simpsons' is proof of how satire (intended to enrage people toward change for the better) becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. So many see it and say, "Yea, that's me, SO WHATCHA GONNA DO ABOUT IT?" Instead of introspection and change toward SOME NOTION of self-improvement/ENLIGHTENMENT. Now I know how the 'late J.C.' oftimes felt (deeply thoughtful, and oftimes out of place)! Somebody save us!
     
  6. davidmc

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    I believe the standard fee is around 35-40% :)
     
  7. davidmc

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    It's going to be interesting to see Edward's debate the current President (er... i mean Vice President) ;) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565848403/qid=1096947231/sr=11-1
     
  8. zapper

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    Really? It seems that you describe yourself and your candidate...Bush was probably "sneering" at kerry who is a liar and a cheat...Below is just one of his lies...oh, BTW, you might want to (learn how to spell when calling someone an idiot...)

    Kerry recounted how he had (with former Senator Smith (R-NH)) gone down into the bowels of the former KGB under TREBLINKA SQUARE.

    Truth... Treblinka was the name of a NAZI EXTERMINATION CAMP

    Kerry is so used to making up war stories that he can't tell fact from fiction :p
     
  9. pomod

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    Name me a politician who doesn't lie? At least none of Kerry's lies have cost any lives. Which is worse lying about your war stories, or lying to start a war? I don't know who is more pathetic, the Bush administration for actually thinking they were fooling anyone or those who continue to buy their line, hook and sinker.
     
  10. DOC69

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    Well, apparently Dubya can't tell the difference between Saddam and Osama. Or al-Qaeda and Iraq. :D
     
  11. limerickman

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    Now Rumsfeld has admitted that he saw no evidence to link Hussein with Al Qaeda : despite saying that there was evidence to link Al Qaeda to Hussein as
    one of the other reasons for going to war (along with the vanishing WMD).
    It's always the same with liars - they forget the lie that they told initially.
     
  12. zapper

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    Oh really??Why don't you ask the POW's that were being tortured to his lies elrod...Additionally, how many lives has your boy Kerry put in danger after being absent for 76% of the Senate Intelligence Committee's public hearings during the time he served there. Whoops, wait a minute...he might have actually saved lives by not attending.... :rolleyes:
     
  13. Bikerman2004

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    Trying to justify one lie as less evil than another is pathetic. If neither can tell the truth then what's the point?
     
  14. Danian

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    The former KGB (now FSB) buildings are located at Lubyankaya Square. The main building is a typical grey & brown Stalin-style building. And there is a rumor amongst the people that there is a special prison under one of those buildings. Rather than hound Senator Kerry for possibly confusing "Lubyankaya" with "Treblinka", it would prove to be more interesting to find out if he indeed DID go to Russia to visit the former-KGB complex, as he was apparently attempting to say.
     
  15. davidmc

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    True, just heard, something like 43%, polled, believe hussein was responsible for 9-11. Who are these "ham n' egger's" who believe this tripe? Maybe they don't read the news as Shrub is prone not to do. :rolleyes:
     
  16. davidmc

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    Does this mean Cheney will be the only 1, left, believing this "fairytale"? :p
     
  17. zapper

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    Ah..very refreshing..now there is a call for us all to step back and think about what he actually meant, not what he said...Funny, Kerry made a lot of f%$% ups in the debate this one among them.. I just find it odd, if bush makes a mistake, his words are taken as face value and used against him but when kerry does the same...we need to step back and try to decipher what he really meant to say???? Very amusing :rolleyes:
     
  18. davidmc

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    Any questions should be directed to the thread:
    George Bush: Former Drunkard, Cocaine-user, War-dodger becomes War President
     
  19. limerickman

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    You have to be smart to be a good liar and - if proof were ever needed - Rumsfeld certainly isn't smart.

    Rumsfeld comments about there being no evidence to link Al Qaeda to Iraq
    typifies the double standard, lying, duplicitious, putrid, and incompetent
    Bush administration.

    Do the right thing on November 2nd - consign this useless, lying goverment to the bin of history.
     
  20. davidmc

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    I've already planned it out, i'm going to tell all the pollsters, i see, that "I'm here to vote for the "combat war vetreran". :D
     
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