On 28 May 2004 23:04:36 -0700,
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..> .Mike Vandeman <
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..> .> On Thu, 27 May 2004 15:55:33 GMT, "Pete" <
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..> .> .
..> .> ."Mike Vandeman" <
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..> .> .> On Thu, 27 May 2004 03:42:10 GMT, "Pete" <
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..> .> .> ."Mike Vandeman" <
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..> .> .> .> National parks are closed to mountain biking.
..> .> .> .
..> .> .> .Liar
..> .> .>
..> .> .> In general, mational parks are closed to mountain biking. You may have
..> .> .found the
..> .> .> regulations on mountain biking.
..> .> .
..> .> .No. I found specific references to mountain biking being allowed in several
..> .> .National Parks.
..> .>
..> .> You didn't read carefully. Most of those "trails" are actually just dirt
..> .> roads,in some cases shared with SUVs. I think there is only ONE possible
..> .> singletrack mountain biking trail in all of the National Park System.
..> .
..> .
..> .Yah know Doc, he might have you on this one. Really, it is a lie when
..> .you know the truth but insist that the opposite is true. We covered
..> .the "National Parks are closed to Mountain Biking," pretty well in
..> .2000,2001,2002 and 2003. As it has been pointed out to you there are
..> .at least 3 NPS units in California alone, that have "single track."
..> .Then of course there is "the one dedicated single track" in Arizona,
..> .and another unit in New Mexico (open on a limited basis).
..> .
..> .Pete F had this snip addressed to you back in 2001
..> ."Visitor Centers offer a free map (494K PDF) of the park's trails,
..> .indicating which trails are designated for bike travel. Point Reyes
..> .permits biking only outside of wilderness areas along emergency
..> .access/dirt fire roads, paved roads and a few single-track trails."
..> .
..> .In ~2000 Gt pointed out that REDW had several trails
..> .
..> .In 2003, I pointed out that JOTR and SAGU both have trails open to
..> .Mountain biking.
..> .
..> .> .So you admit your blanket statement of "National parks are closed to
..> .> .mountain biking" is a lie?
..> .>
..> .> No, in general, it is a fact.
..> .
..> .You poor, poor, little man ... You know you are wrong and you still
..> .try to wiggle out of it. You said "National parks are closed to
..> .mountain biking."
..>
..> Generally speaking, the National Parks ARE closed to mountain biking.
..
..There is no CFR prohibiting the use of mountain bikes in side of
..National Parks. There are CFR's limiting the use to specific areas,
..but that does not make a Park "closed" to the use of a mountain bike.
Can't you read??? I am talking about mountain biking, NOT "use of a mountain
bike". You are free to use your as a chair, if you like. DUH!
..> I never
..> said "ALL National Parks ...", which would have been untrue. Learn to read....
..
..You said "National parks are closed to mountain biking." That
..statement has no modifier. It is an inclusive statement.
Yes. It means the same as "In general, National parks are closed to mountain
biking."
..> You know this isn't the truth, so you try redirect
..> .the argument by saying, "Most of those "trails" are actually just dirt
..> .roads,in some cases shared with SUVs." It is as if you are try to say
..> .that it isn't mountian biking unless it is on single track. And
..> .finally you try to redirect the argument by saying "I think there is
..> .only ONE possible singletrack mountain biking trail in all of the
..> .National Park System," which you also know is not true, since it has
..> .been pointed out to repeatedly that there are several parks that allow
..> .mountain biking on trails.
..>
..> BS. You forgot that I said "I think ...", which makes it true.
..
..It does not make the statement true. Just because you believe it to be
..true does not preclude the possibility that you were wrong. Are you so
..afraid of being wrong doc?
If I say "I think ...", then it's true as long as I really think that,
REGARDLESS of whether what I think is a fact.
..What makes it a lie is not the fact that you "think" it to be the case
..when it is not. What makes it a lie is that the number of trails that
..are open to Mountain biking in the National Park system has been
..repeatedly pointed out to you, you have even responded to the postings
..by GT, Pete F, and others, and yet you say "I think there is only ONE
..possible singletrack mountain biking trail in all of the National Park
..System." You are either a liar, or you have a terrible memory.
It's still true.
..<snip>
..
..R
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