Why Clark's zapper study is invalid



>From: "Peter Moran"

>Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid

Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

But doctors who committ repeated and deliberate fraud
and cover-ups remain on staff, and Peter can't see
anything wrong.

Like Peter Bowditch has NO medical qualifications and is a
keynote speaker, while squawking about REAL qualifications.

KERPLONK

Jan
 
On 12 Mar 2004 06:02:31 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>>From: "Peter Moran"
>
>>Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid

>
>Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.
>
>But doctors who committ repeated and deliberate fraud
>and cover-ups remain on staff, and Peter can't see
>anything wrong.
>
>Like Peter Bowditch has NO medical qualifications and is a
>keynote speaker, while squawking about REAL qualifications.
>
>KERPLONK

Hmm. Jan seems to have snipped Peter's reply to change the
meaning of his post. Here it is restored:

. Cancericidal platinum compounds are released into the
culture medium. This is how Cisplatin was discovered. Will
not work in vivo. http://chemcases.com/cisplat/cisplat02.htm

Peter Moran

Once again Jan Drew demonstrates selective snipping and
shows why it is impossible to discuss anything with her. Jan
lies about selective snipping to change meaning, lies about
it always being wrong to belittle and lies about not lying.
That's a wrap.

Aloha,

Rich

>
>Jan

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The best defense to logic is ignorance
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >From: "Peter Moran"
>
> >Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid
>
> Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.
=======================================
Is there any proof he's wrong? That is does work in vivo?
Why not provide us the proof that he's wrong instead of
personally attacking him? Do you know of any research to
prove he's wrong?

Kim
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >From: "Peter Moran"
>
> >Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid
>
> Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

Leave us out of this. It is a group of chemists who made the
prior discovery that Lai incompetently overlooks, that
platinum compounds from the electrodes would produce
cancericidal effects in this in vitro system. Look at the
web site I gave.

Electrical engineers explain why the Syncrometer won't do
what Hulda Clark claims.

Non-medical parasitologists will explain why her parasite
theories are wrong.

There is utterly no evidence that removing dental
fillings will help anyone cure cancer (that one is mine
and I stick by it).

Peter Moran
 
On 12 Mar 2004 06:02:31 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>>From: "Peter Moran"
>
>>Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid
>
>Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.
>
>But doctors who committ repeated and deliberate fraud
>and cover-ups remain on staff, and Peter can't see
>anything wrong.
>
>Like Peter Bowditch has NO medical qualifications and is a
>keynote speaker, while squawking about REAL qualifications.
>
>KERPLONK
>
>Jan

One of the thousands of cases where Jan Drew refuses to
accept the truth.

Jan Drew insits on advertizing for the criminal Hulda Clark.

Jan Drew is a notorious liar and forger. To fall for his
lies can be a serious threat to your life and the life of
your children.

More about the naturopath mafia advertizing agency Jan Drew
:

http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Reklame mit wahrheitswidrigen Behauptungen

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_wies.htm
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >From: "Peter Moran"
>
> >Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid
>
> Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.

Peter provided a good analysis of why the study is
invalid.You just cannot handle disagreeing points of view
and facts that refute your beliefs.
 
Hulda's zapper doesn't have platinum electrodes, so this
study is irrelevant. If she posts this as evidence, then she
should show evidence that cisplatin does not effect
bacteria, or indeed some evidence that cisplatin has anti
baterial/anti viral effects. Anth

"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:40517788$0$26964$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
> "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040312010231.01740.00001359@mb-
> m22.aol.com...
> > >From: "Peter Moran"
> >
> > >Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid
> >
> > Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.
>
> Leave us out of this. It is a group of chemists who made
> the prior discovery that Lai incompetently overlooks, that
> platinum compounds from the electrodes would produce
> cancericidal effects in this in vitro system. Look at the
> web site I gave.
>
> Electrical engineers explain why the Syncrometer won't do
> what Hulda Clark claims.
>
> Non-medical parasitologists will explain why her parasite
> theories are wrong.
>
> There is utterly no evidence that removing dental fillings
> will help
anyone
> cure cancer (that one is mine and I stick by it).
>
> Peter Moran
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Re: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid From:
> >"Peter Moran" [email protected] Date: 3/12/2004 12:40 AM
> >Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
>
><40517788$0$26964$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.
au>
> >
> >
> >"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040312010231.01740.00001359@mb-
> >m22.aol.com...
> >> >From: "Peter Moran"
> >>
> >> >Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid
> >>
> >> Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.
> >
> >Leave us out of this.
>
> Impossible.

I went to a lecture the other day on paranormal studies. The
guy claimed in his data he could not show any evidence that
paranormal effects were there and he dismissed the work of
another scientist who had shown paranormal effects in his
work. Randi does this in his studies, which in my opinion
doesn't make him much of a scientist.

Both studies were equally valid and significant, now today I
find out that there's an effect called the 'experimenter
effect' which is documented in this months new scientist.
Could this be what is making homeopathy work in some studies
and fail in others? On one side there was the sceptic and on
the other the believer who did the studies. This could also
have an impact on conflicting drug studies which show
effects from believers and non believers.

> It is a group of chemists who made the prior
> >discovery that Lai incompetently overlooks, that platinum
> >compounds from the electrodes would produce cancericidal
> >effects in this in vitro
system.

So why not use gold electrodes or other metals, or even
carbon electrodes?

> >Look at the web site I gave.
> >
> >Electrical engineers explain why the Syncrometer won't do
> >what Hulda
Clark
> >claims.
> >
> >Non-medical parasitologists will explain why her parasite
> >theories are wrong.
> >
> >There is utterly no evidence that removing dental
> >fillings will help
anyone
> >cure cancer (that one is mine and I stick by it).

There's anecdotes about dentists who have done treatments on
people, removing their amalgams and the people going into
remission. Of course this doesn't mean much, it only opens
the door to more studies.

> >
> >Peter Moran
>
> All of these opinions come from organized medicine.

Although I do believe there's a war of disinformation going
on towards natural treatments and that mainstream is
puppetted a lot by the pharms, I also think it's invalid to
not accept something using an assumption as science. If
anyone can show for sure that it is the platinum that's
having the anti cancer effect I'll be happy.

> I have never spoken about amalgams and cancer, hower the
> improvemnets
after
> removal of amalgams are well documented. Which you chose
> to deny.
>
>
> WHEN CORRECT PROTOCOL IS FOLLOWED!
>
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/index.html
>
> I. DENTAL AMALGAM FILLINGS PAGE- documents high common
> mercury exposure
levels
> from dental amalgam fillings; and common adverse health
> effects on people
and
> dental staff; plus results of 60,000 clinical cases of
> significant
improvements
> to chronic conditions after amalgam replacement and treatment-
> as followed
and
> documented by doctors; plus environmental effects of
> amalgam that affect everyone. (over 1500 peer-reviewed
> medical study or Gov't Agency references
documenting
> mechanisms by which mercury from amalgam causes over 30
> chronic health conditions)
>
>
> http://www.lichtenberg.dk/experience_after_amalgam_rem-
> oval.htm
>
> http://www.lichtenberg.dk/symptoms_before_and_after_pr-
> oper.htm
>
> http://www.rmdentalcentre.com/article.cfm?artid=4&catid=1
>
> http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Dentistry/b-
> urrow45.htm
>
> http://www.notdoctors.com/mercfill.html
>
> http://www.geocities.com/toothk/bernieref1.html
>
> http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:2MRH9H-
> lc08J:www.melisa.org/articles/
>
engel-
e.pdf+people+finding+improvements+from+removal+of+amalgams&-
hl=en&ie=UT F-8
>
> http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/frame_r.html#V
>
> http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Dentist/cra-
> wford76.htm
>
> http://www.cqs.com/amalgam.htm
 
Any electric shock to the human body causes the elevation
of white blood cells and endorphins. These are powerful
pain killers.

"Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040312165833.06571.00001353@mb-
> m05.aol.com...
> > >Subject: Re: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid From:
> > >"Peter Moran" [email protected] Date: 3/12/2004 12:40
> > >AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
> >
>
><40517788$0$26964$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.
> au>
> > >
> > >
> > >"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040312010231.01740.00001359@mb-
> > >m22.aol.com...
> > >> >From: "Peter Moran"
> > >>
> > >> >Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid
> > >>
> > >> Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.
> > >
> > >Leave us out of this.
> >
> > Impossible.
>
> I went to a lecture the other day on paranormal studies.
> The guy claimed in his data he could not show any evidence
> that paranormal effects were there and he dismissed the
> work of another scientist who had shown paranormal effects
> in his work. Randi does this in his studies, which in my
> opinion doesn't make him much
of
> a scientist.
>
> Both studies were equally valid and significant, now today
> I find out that there's an effect called the 'experimenter
> effect' which is documented in this months new scientist.
> Could this be what is making homeopathy work in some
> studies and fail in others? On one side there was the
> sceptic and on the other the believer
who
> did the studies. This could also have an impact on
> conflicting drug studies which show effects from believers
> and non believers.
>
> > It is a group of chemists who made the prior
> > >discovery that Lai incompetently overlooks, that
> > >platinum compounds
from
> > >the electrodes would produce cancericidal effects in
> > >this in vitro
> system.
>
> So why not use gold electrodes or other metals, or even
> carbon electrodes?
>
> > >Look at the web site I gave.
> > >
> > >Electrical engineers explain why the Syncrometer won't
> > >do what Hulda
> Clark
> > >claims.
> > >
> > >Non-medical parasitologists will explain why her
> > >parasite theories are wrong.
> > >
> > >There is utterly no evidence that removing dental
> > >fillings will help
> anyone
> > >cure cancer (that one is mine and I stick by it).
>
> There's anecdotes about dentists who have done treatments
> on people, removing their amalgams and the people going
> into remission. Of course this doesn't mean much, it only
> opens the door to more studies.
>
> > >
> > >Peter Moran
> >
> > All of these opinions come from organized medicine.
>
> Although I do believe there's a war of disinformation
> going on towards natural treatments and that mainstream is
> puppetted a lot by the pharms, I also think it's invalid
> to not accept something using an assumption as science. If
> anyone can show for sure that it is the platinum that's
> having the anti cancer effect I'll be happy.
>
> > I have never spoken about amalgams and cancer, hower the
> > improvemnets
> after
> > removal of amalgams are well documented. Which you chose
> > to deny.
> >
> >
> > WHEN CORRECT PROTOCOL IS FOLLOWED!
> >
> > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/index.html
> >
> > I. DENTAL AMALGAM FILLINGS PAGE- documents high common
> > mercury exposure
> levels
> > from dental amalgam fillings; and common adverse health
> > effects on
people
> and
> > dental staff; plus results of 60,000 clinical cases of
> > significant
> improvements
> > to chronic conditions after amalgam replacement and
> > treatment- as
followed
> and
> > documented by doctors; plus environmental effects of
> > amalgam that affect everyone. (over 1500 peer-reviewed
> > medical study or Gov't Agency references
> documenting
> > mechanisms by which mercury from amalgam causes over 30
> > chronic health conditions)
> >
> >
> > http://www.lichtenberg.dk/experience_after_amalgam_remo-
> > val.htm
> >
> > http://www.lichtenberg.dk/symptoms_before_and_after_pro-
> > per.htm
> >
> > http://www.rmdentalcentre.com/article.cfm?artid=4&c-
> > atid=1
> >
> > http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Dentistry-
> > /burrow45.htm
> >
> > http://www.notdoctors.com/mercfill.html
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/toothk/bernieref1.html
> >
> >
http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:2MRH9H-
lc08J:www.melisa.org/articles/
> >
>
engel-
e.pdf+people+finding+improvements+from+removal+of+amalgams&-
hl=en&ie=UT
> F-8
> >
> > http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/frame_r.html#V
> >
> > http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Dentist/c-
> > rawford76.htm
> >
> > http://www.cqs.com/amalgam.htm
 
Please explain why your a right to Jan?

"Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hulda's zapper doesn't have platinum electrodes, so this
> study is irrelevant. If she posts this as evidence, then
> she should show evidence that
cisplatin
> does not effect bacteria, or indeed some evidence that
> cisplatin has anti baterial/anti viral effects. Anth
>
> "Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
news:40517788$0$26964$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> >
> > "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:20040312010231.01740.00001359@mb-
> > m22.aol.com...
> > > >From: "Peter Moran"
> > >
> > > >Subject: Why Clark's zapper study is invalid
> > >
> > > Because organized medicine and Peter Moran say so.
> >
> > Leave us out of this. It is a group of chemists who made
> > the prior discovery that Lai incompetently overlooks,
> > that platinum compounds
from
> > the electrodes would produce cancericidal effects in
> > this in vitro
system.
> > Look at the web site I gave.
> >
> > Electrical engineers explain why the Syncrometer won't
> > do what Hulda
Clark
> > claims.
> >
> > Non-medical parasitologists will explain why her
> > parasite theories are wrong.
> >
> > There is utterly no evidence that removing dental
> > fillings will help
> anyone
> > cure cancer (that one is mine and I stick by it).
> >
> > Peter Moran
> >
>
 
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