Why did God allow the Tsuami?



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Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the idolant
sloths laying around on the beach!
 
goodboy <[email protected]> wrote in news:Xns95CEC5136FEC6nospamcharternet@
69.28.186.121:

> Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the idolant
> sloths laying around on the beach!
>
>

YOU ARE AN INDOLANT JACKASS!
 
goodboy wrote in message ...
>Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the idolant
>sloths laying around on the beach!

To the Christian conservatives like Bush it's a sign of the end times right.
Maybe that's why it took him 4 days to come out of his ranch house to
express his sympathy. That sluggish gesture won't be lost on the Muslims
over in that part of the world. No matter what the US does now to help it
will be seen as too little too late.

-T
 
carver wrote:
> goodboy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:Xns95CEC5136FEC6nospamcharternet@
> 69.28.186.121:
>
> > Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the idolant
> > sloths laying around on the beach!
> >
> >
>
> YOU ARE AN INDOLANT JACKASS!

You may not like his ANSWER, but it's a very good philosophical
and religious QUESTION!

A well-known expression for someone who died from doing
something extremely stupid is that "Darwin took him away
to improve the gene pool" or something to that effect.
Darwin (of the Theory of Evolution) was given as a reason.

Of course that would NOT apply to the present disaster.
And even if it did, it would violate certain Christians'
belief (such as the Southern Baptists in the USA) who
even tries to legislate against the TEACHING of Darwin's
THEORY of Evolution!

So, on the SERIOUS side, what do each of the RELIGIOUS
groups/sects/demominations have to say WHY did god/christ/
allah/buddha/etc. allow this to happen (to obviously
thousands of INNOCENT victims)?


On the LESS SERIOUS side, the tsunamis are obviously
examples of "**** Happens".

With which of these religious/philogophical statements do
you agree or disagree? :)

Agnosticism How can we know if **** happens? or What is this
****?
Buddhism If **** happens it is not really ****
Calvinism **** happens because you didn't work hard enough.
Cannibalism Don't eat the ****.
Catholicism If **** happens, you deserve it
Christian Science **** is in your mind.
Communism **** happens to all of us.
Confucianism Confucias say, ``**** Happens''
Denialism What ****?
Environmentalism **** is biodegradable.
Existentialism What is **** anyway?
Fatalism Oh ****, it's going to happen!
Fetishism I love it when **** happens.
Freudianism **** is a phallic symbol.
Fundamentalism **** happens, but don't publish it.
Hare Krishna **** happens rama rama.
Hedonism There's nothing quite like a good ****.
Hinduism This **** happened before.
Islam If **** happens, take a hostage.
If **** happens, it is the will of Allah.
Jehovah's Witnesses **** happens door to door.
Judaism Why does this **** always happen to us?
Lutheranism **** happens, but as long as you're sorry, it's OK.
Masochism Do **** to me!
Moonies Only happy **** really happens.
Mormon This **** is going to happen again.
Nihilism **** doesn't mean anything.
Paganism **** happens for a variety of reasons.
Protestantism Let the **** happen to someone else.
Rastafarianism Let's smoke this ****.
Rationalism I ****, therefore I am.
Repressionism I'll hold this **** in forever.
Sadism I will **** on you!
Scientology All this happens to be ****
Seventh Day Adventist No **** on Saturdays.
Stoicism This **** is good for me.
Taoism **** happens.
Unitarianism It's not the **** that matters. It's the process.
Vegetarianism If it happens to ****, don't eat it.
Wicca The Goddess makes **** happen.
Witchcraft Mix this **** together and it will happen
Zen What is the sound of **** happening?
Zoroastrianism **** happens half the time


The words of wisdom above were posted in a ng in 1992. There
has been many, many more NEW ones since that are easily
google-retrievable. Happy ****-hunting when you're not running.
-- Bob.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> >
> With which of these religious/philogophical statements do
> you agree or disagree? :)
>
> Agnosticism How can we know if **** happens? or What is this
> ****?
> Buddhism If **** happens it is not really ****
> Calvinism **** happens because you didn't work hard enough.
> Cannibalism Don't eat the ****.
> Catholicism If **** happens, you deserve it
> Christian Science **** is in your mind.
> Communism **** happens to all of us.
> Confucianism Confucias say, ``**** Happens''
> Denialism What ****?
> Environmentalism **** is biodegradable.
> Existentialism What is **** anyway?
> Fatalism Oh ****, it's going to happen!
> Fetishism I love it when **** happens.
> Freudianism **** is a phallic symbol.
> Fundamentalism **** happens, but don't publish it.
> Hare Krishna **** happens rama rama.
> Hedonism There's nothing quite like a good ****.
> Hinduism This **** happened before.
> Islam If **** happens, take a hostage.
> If **** happens, it is the will of Allah.
> Jehovah's Witnesses **** happens door to door.
> Judaism Why does this **** always happen to us?
> Lutheranism **** happens, but as long as you're sorry, it's OK.
> Masochism Do **** to me!
> Moonies Only happy **** really happens.
> Mormon This **** is going to happen again.
> Nihilism **** doesn't mean anything.
> Paganism **** happens for a variety of reasons.
> Protestantism Let the **** happen to someone else.
> Rastafarianism Let's smoke this ****.
> Rationalism I ****, therefore I am.
> Repressionism I'll hold this **** in forever.
> Sadism I will **** on you!
> Scientology All this happens to be ****
> Seventh Day Adventist No **** on Saturdays.
> Stoicism This **** is good for me.
> Taoism **** happens.
> Unitarianism It's not the **** that matters. It's the process.
> Vegetarianism If it happens to ****, don't eat it.
> Wicca The Goddess makes **** happen.
> Witchcraft Mix this **** together and it will happen
> Zen What is the sound of **** happening?
> Zoroastrianism **** happens half the time
>

You left out two:

Atheism: **** doesn't happen
Satanism: **** happens to you, not I!
Martha
Real Men wear pants over their asses
 
Black Metal Martha wrote:
>
> You left out two:
>
> Atheism: **** doesn't happen
> Satanism: **** happens to you, not I!
> Martha

I left out MUCH more. :) In the abbreviated post cited,

Atheism Sheeit. or I don't believe this ****

Elsewhere:

Satanism SNEPPAH TIHS

Presbyterian This **** was bound to happen.
Episcopalian It's not so bad if **** happens,
---- as long as you serve the right wine with it.
Methodist It's not so bad if **** happens,
---- as long as you serve grape juice with it.
Lutheran If **** happens, don't talk about it.
Fundamentalism If **** happens, you will go to hell,
---- unless you are born again (Amen!)
Quakers Let us not fight over this ****.
Jehovah's Witnesses Knock Knock. **** happens

.... and more.
 
"Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pmJAd.14780$152.478@trndny01...
> goodboy wrote in message ...
>>Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the idolant
>>sloths laying around on the beach!
>
> To the Christian conservatives like Bush it's a sign of the end times
> right.
> Maybe that's why it took him 4 days to come out of his ranch house to
> express his sympathy. That sluggish gesture won't be lost on the
> Muslims
> over in that part of the world. No matter what the US does now to
> help it
> will be seen as too little too late.

I'm not sure it's because he/they don't have a clue(or care) or our US
economics are in such deep **** and spiraling lower that spare change
will crush him. Hmmm, how much debt will this second Viet Nam cost!

-DF
 
Why did God allow the Tsunami? Thu, Dec 30, 2004, 1:32am (EST+5)
(goodboy)
Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the indolent sloths laying
around on the beach!

Your Question is Religion, read the Bible and other book. a life time to
do.and live.

Luv waves there news said here this a.m., 5½ feet.
first is P wave.
second is W wave.
last is luv wave.
runners taken to high ground. is luv wave now.
news do P wave and
home movies is P and W wave.
Note to self.
there is a wide mix of goods there to pick and live off just everywhere
from view I see on news.
diamonds are brought up to surface from magma.
so the 2 or 3 minutes before. P hit was to say. not runner
friendly. it push onto shore from bounders force under the sight of
ocean.

earth liquid core is unbalance this is why we tilt 28°. now the N
hemp is facing away direction of our sun and the southern hemp is
closer. so they are 1 day before us some and it is summer there.
greenish time.0to24h indian ocean or "The East" s.e. asia.

The earth is the blame.
God well receive the souls in time and send them on.

as to are closest solar system pic from hubble the planets around it
was not e.t. it is like 1½ 1/y (billon) years younger. in our own
help a 1½ 1/y Titan one of near 29 or 30 satellites or moons to be.
well be able to support human life.

from Galaxies to Tolerances.
Time travel is able thru a worm hole yet the force needed to is a black
hole, yet the hole well not with stand the hole. the work is in progress
to make a worm hole. or we can just live serve God some and jesus
and and try not to wreck our planet.
Nebula in W M star in north polar..
and Triangle summer is were the e.t not live. or maybe stair way to
heaven,and e.t live. not know yet. and hell too (vega)

the closest sun. were no e.t found yet. a hubble pictures show. of
planets not livable for near 1 1/2 billion more years. passion is
all.

galaxies colide in 1 1/y ours
we well live thru it.?/.

our sun dies 1 1/2 billion years.

possble plantets. is two. titan and this hubble pictures one.

visible light/

Fusion: Nucleus eruption from the core of the planet did it. magma
earthquake from zenith the Indian ocean tectonic plate line.

all cosmology (universe) studies are done with High Tech instruments.
probes and others. is how nasa finds theories of physics and Quantum
Mechanics of both the Big and Small. Theories.
were one can go from physics to philosophes.

the Biosphere (Earth) and the universe (=1 mores=1+1=2)from voyager2
lift off 1972.
travels like 270³ (thousands) miles per second. like reach (2) a year
back or so.
we a soupier of chemicals amino acids. evolutions (2 arms, 2 legs 1
head.) 300³+³ (million) years. ³more zeros .
Nebula in the M or W. the eye. one of maybe 9. or not. (passion)
theories. has to live with earth and the universes.
or not. the soupier do.
anyways....running up the hill helps.

Health and running.
Got 17 more from 105=88 miles
or 2649 miles. for 2004
go with my 26 inch tires.
not work in 112 weeks still.
I not do ****. (-1-) :>)

numberus years painting. by the hour or job, you buy the paint and
supplies. Local of Ortonville Michigan. phone not in the book. e mail
only please. for work only or contact. ( a nature person. most likely be
outside.)
e-mail. [email protected]
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
: carver wrote:
: > goodboy <[email protected]> wrote in
: news:Xns95CEC5136FEC6nospamcharternet@
: > 69.28.186.121:
: >
: > > Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the idolant
: > > sloths laying around on the beach!
: > >
: > >
: >
: > YOU ARE AN INDOLANT JACKASS!
:
: You may not like his ANSWER, but it's a very good philosophical
: and religious QUESTION!
:
: A well-known expression for someone who died from doing
: something extremely stupid is that "Darwin took him away
: to improve the gene pool" or something to that effect.
: Darwin (of the Theory of Evolution) was given as a reason.
:
: Of course that would NOT apply to the present disaster.
: And even if it did, it would violate certain Christians'
: belief (such as the Southern Baptists in the USA) who
: even tries to legislate against the TEACHING of Darwin's
: THEORY of Evolution!
:
: So, on the SERIOUS side, what do each of the RELIGIOUS
: groups/sects/demominations have to say WHY did god/christ/
: allah/buddha/etc. allow this to happen (to obviously
: thousands of INNOCENT victims)?

I like the way the question is worded: "Why did god...ALLOW this to happen?"
Hits the nail right on the head. God didn't cause it. He's not gleefully
rubbing his hands together and cackling in joy at all the pain and
suffering. But he did allow it- surreptitiously. He allowed it by allowing
free will. Free will means we get to be like God in that we have the
ability to choose good, evil or neutral options. And because of choices
made long ago, we are considered by Christians to be fallen people who live
in a fallen world. One in which all people have the capacity to do horrible
things to one another- and in which some people do. And a world in which
bad things happen in nature as well. In other words, humankind's fallenness
affects the earth's fallenness as well.

So Christians believe God allowed the Tsunami in that he allowed for the
choices that led to the fallen nature of humanity and the world in which we
live. But in the midst of that, you also see the good in people, the
choices that lead to life and restoration and peace. People are sacrificing
to send help, or to go themselves and be part of the answer. From our
perspective, it's a huge tragedy that so many died so early and that so many
more are suffering.

From God's perspective, the suffering and death is a tragedy. But we all
die. The only issue is when. And these people left earth now rather than
in a few short years. And now many have peace who maybe didn't just a week
ago. People who were concerned with bills and health issues and working and
relationships breaking-up and all the rest- no longer have to deal with
those things. Young children who may have never known that kind of pressure
now maybe know absolute peace and joy.

Just a few thoughts.

On topic- I'm heading out for my 20-miler today. I need to do 2 "20's"
before the 'thon on Feb. 6. Hoping the Tampa Bay Marathon won't toast my
melon. I hear it's pretty freakin' hot there.

Brian
 
bikeme wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> :
> : carver wrote:
> : > goodboy <[email protected]> wrote in
> : news:Xns95CEC5136FEC6nospamcharternet@
> : > 69.28.186.121:
> : >
> : > > Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the idolant
> : > > sloths laying around on the beach!
> : > >
> : > >
> : >
> : > YOU ARE AN INDOLANT JACKASS!
> :
> : You may not like his ANSWER, but it's a very good philosophical
> : and religious QUESTION!
> :
> : A well-known expression for someone who died from doing
> : something extremely stupid is that "Darwin took him away
> : to improve the gene pool" or something to that effect.
> : Darwin (of the Theory of Evolution) was given as a reason.
> :
> : Of course that would NOT apply to the present disaster.
> : And even if it did, it would violate certain Christians'
> : belief (such as the Southern Baptists in the USA) who
> : even tries to legislate against the TEACHING of Darwin's
> : THEORY of Evolution!
> :
> : So, on the SERIOUS side, what do each of the RELIGIOUS
> : groups/sects/demominations have to say WHY did god/christ/
> : allah/buddha/etc. allow this to happen (to obviously
> : thousands of INNOCENT victims)?
>
> I like the way the question is worded: "Why did god...ALLOW this to
happen?"
> Hits the nail right on the head. God didn't cause it. He's not
gleefully
> rubbing his hands together and cackling in joy at all the pain and
> suffering. But he did allow it- surreptitiously.

So far I can buy your religious rhetoric, though somme of it is
highly debatable.

> He allowed it by allowing free will.

This is where your pedantic argument went completely astray. Free will
to choose whether to have the earthquake and tsunamis or not????

Surely you jest.


> So Christians believe God allowed the Tsunami in that he allowed for
the
> choices that led to the fallen nature of humanity and the world in
which we
> live.

By indiscriminantly killing the innocent and the "good" as well as
those that caused the "fallen nature of humanity"?


> From God's perspective,

Jeez, now you have positioned yourself as God's spokesman.


I am feeling ILL!

> Just a few thoughts.

Sounds a a few regurgitation of religious gobbledy gook without
any critical thought to me.

>
> On topic- I'm heading out for my 20-miler today.
>
> Brian

Good for you. I am running downstair to throw up from some of your
"thoughts". :)

-- Bob.
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
: bikeme wrote:
: > <[email protected]> wrote in message
: > news:[email protected]...
: > :
: > : carver wrote:
: > : > goodboy <[email protected]> wrote in
: > : news:Xns95CEC5136FEC6nospamcharternet@
: > : > 69.28.186.121:
: > : >
: > : > > Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the idolant
: > : > > sloths laying around on the beach!
: > : > >
: > : > >
: > : >
: > : > YOU ARE AN INDOLANT JACKASS!
: > :
: > : You may not like his ANSWER, but it's a very good philosophical
: > : and religious QUESTION!
: > :
: > : A well-known expression for someone who died from doing
: > : something extremely stupid is that "Darwin took him away
: > : to improve the gene pool" or something to that effect.
: > : Darwin (of the Theory of Evolution) was given as a reason.
: > :
: > : Of course that would NOT apply to the present disaster.
: > : And even if it did, it would violate certain Christians'
: > : belief (such as the Southern Baptists in the USA) who
: > : even tries to legislate against the TEACHING of Darwin's
: > : THEORY of Evolution!
: > :
: > : So, on the SERIOUS side, what do each of the RELIGIOUS
: > : groups/sects/demominations have to say WHY did god/christ/
: > : allah/buddha/etc. allow this to happen (to obviously
: > : thousands of INNOCENT victims)?
: >
: > I like the way the question is worded: "Why did god...ALLOW this to
: happen?"
: > Hits the nail right on the head. God didn't cause it. He's not
: gleefully
: > rubbing his hands together and cackling in joy at all the pain and
: > suffering. But he did allow it- surreptitiously.
:
: So far I can buy your religious rhetoric, though somme of it is
: highly debatable.
:
: > He allowed it by allowing free will.
:
: This is where your pedantic argument went completely astray. Free will
: to choose whether to have the earthquake and tsunamis or not????
:
: Surely you jest.
:
:
: > So Christians believe God allowed the Tsunami in that he allowed for
: the
: > choices that led to the fallen nature of humanity and the world in
: which we
: > live.
:
: By indiscriminantly killing the innocent and the "good" as well as
: those that caused the "fallen nature of humanity"?
:
:
: > From God's perspective,
:
: Jeez, now you have positioned yourself as God's spokesman.
:
:
: I am feeling ILL!
:
: > Just a few thoughts.
:
: Sounds a a few regurgitation of religious gobbledy gook without
: any critical thought to me.
:
: >
: > On topic- I'm heading out for my 20-miler today.
: >
: > Brian
:
: Good for you. I am running downstair to throw up from some of your
: "thoughts". :)
:
: -- Bob.
:
Let me try one more time. The nature of free will is that it always affects
those who are innocent of the choices made by others. For instance, a man
get's totally blitzed one night and get's in his car to drive home. One the
way, he wrecks and takes out a family of four on their way home from a
baseball game. What did they do to deserve it? Nothing.

But, because we are all interconnected, the nature of free will demands that
we will always affect others with our choices.

On the other hand, the concept of grace is also completely unfair...
 
bikeme wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> :
> : bikeme wrote:
> : > <[email protected]> wrote in message
> : > news:[email protected]...
> : > :
> : > : carver wrote:
> : > : > goodboy <[email protected]> wrote in
> : > : news:Xns95CEC5136FEC6nospamcharternet@
> : > : > 69.28.186.121:
> : > : >
> : > : > > Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the idolant
> : > : > > sloths laying around on the beach!
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > : >
> : > : > YOU ARE AN INDOLANT JACKASS!
> : > :
> : > : You may not like his ANSWER, but it's a very good philosophical
> : > : and religious QUESTION!
> : > :
> : > : A well-known expression for someone who died from doing
> : > : something extremely stupid is that "Darwin took him away
> : > : to improve the gene pool" or something to that effect.
> : > : Darwin (of the Theory of Evolution) was given as a reason.
> : > :
> : > : Of course that would NOT apply to the present disaster.
> : > : And even if it did, it would violate certain Christians'
> : > : belief (such as the Southern Baptists in the USA) who
> : > : even tries to legislate against the TEACHING of Darwin's
> : > : THEORY of Evolution!
> : > :
> : > : So, on the SERIOUS side, what do each of the RELIGIOUS
> : > : groups/sects/demominations have to say WHY did god/christ/
> : > : allah/buddha/etc. allow this to happen (to obviously
> : > : thousands of INNOCENT victims)?
> : >
> : > I like the way the question is worded: "Why did god...ALLOW this
to
> : happen?"
> : > Hits the nail right on the head. God didn't cause it. He's not
> : gleefully
> : > rubbing his hands together and cackling in joy at all the pain
and
> : > suffering. But he did allow it- surreptitiously.
> :
> : So far I can buy your religious rhetoric, though somme of it is
> : highly debatable.
> :
> : > He allowed it by allowing free will.
> :
> : This is where your pedantic argument went completely astray. Free
will
> : to choose whether to have the earthquake and tsunamis or not????
> :
> : Surely you jest.
> :
> :
> : > So Christians believe God allowed the Tsunami in that he allowed
for
> : the
> : > choices that led to the fallen nature of humanity and the world
in
> : which we
> : > live.
> :
> : By indiscriminantly killing the innocent and the "good" as well as
> : those that caused the "fallen nature of humanity"?
> :
> :
> : > From God's perspective,
> :
> : Jeez, now you have positioned yourself as God's spokesman.
> :
> :
> : I am feeling ILL!
> :
> : > Just a few thoughts.
> :
> : Sounds a a few regurgitation of religious gobbledy gook without
> : any critical thought to me.
> :
> : >
> : > On topic- I'm heading out for my 20-miler today.
> : >
> : > Brian
> :
> : Good for you. I am running downstair to throw up from some of your
> : "thoughts". :)
> :
> : -- Bob.
> :
> Let me try one more time. The nature of free will is that it always
affects
> those who are innocent of the choices made by others. For instance,
a man
> get's totally blitzed one night and get's in his car to drive home.
One the
> way, he wrecks and takes out a family of four on their way home from
a
> baseball game. What did they do to deserve it? Nothing.
>
> But, because we are all interconnected, the nature of free will
demands that
> we will always affect others with our choices.

Thanks for trying. But all you have managed to convey to me is
that you have a very peculiar interpretation of "free will", even
for a religion-indoctrinated mind.

> On the other hand, the concept of grace is also completely unfair...


Perhaps that's why there are over 300 different sects of Baptists
alone, because everyone can (ab)use the 'bible' and make whatever
they want out of it, however illogical, self-contradicting, and
absurd the conclusions may be. Religious justice is an oxymoron.

That's why the cliche is very true:

Don't disucss POLITICS, RELIGION, or SEX.

because you'll only be going in circles getting nowhere.
-- Bob.
 
Monday, as the scope of the Indian Ocean tragedy became apparent, I
commented (quite seriously) to a co-worker that, within 24 hours, the
United States would, directly or indirectly, be blamed for this horrific
"natural" disaster. Turns out I was right (and not too proud of it
either). First, there was the charge that we didn't try hard enough to
warn the affected region of a possible tsunami threat when we detected
the seismic disturbance (are we the only ones monitoring these events?).
Not that it would have done any good, since the countries of the region
had shown no serious interest in even a rudimentary warning system.
Then, there was that twit from the Netherlands who felt entitled to a
blank check from all the major economic powers even before the scope of
the disaster had been accertained. As to your naive view that Bush
quietly "fiddled while Rome burned" for 4 days; do you think that the
victims and their families give a whit as to whether or not there was
some empassioned, tearful, choreographed press event? My guess is that
the past 4 days have been rather intense for the President, as the
administration has tried to discern the most appropriate (and effective)
course of action and distribution of aid.
For the "blame America first crowd" anything we do (anywhere) will be
seen as "too little, too late. Fortunately, we "Christian Conservatives"
are usually able to ignore the "petty gripes of petty people" and
concentrate on the daunting business of responding to the needs that
disaster circumstances present.

Tony wrote: (Snip)

> To the Christian conservatives like Bush it's a sign of the end times right.
> Maybe that's why it took him 4 days to come out of his ranch house to
> express his sympathy. That sluggish gesture won't be lost on the Muslims
> over in that part of the world. No matter what the US does now to help it
> will be seen as too little too late.


--
Quality is a function of design, materials, and craftsmanship.
Inspection can only confirm quality or reveal deficiencies.
In no case, can quality be inspected into anything.
 
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:57:00 GMT, "Doug Freese" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>I'm not sure it's because he/they don't have a clue(or care) or our US
>economics are in such deep **** and spiraling lower that spare change
>will crush him. Hmmm, how much debt will this second Viet Nam cost!
>
>-DF

Who cares, but did you see the thighs on that victoria secret model that survived!
God was watchin out for that ****!

M.T.
 
I was speaking to impressions. Any other President in recent memory would
have come out and spoken on the same day or at the very least the day after
such an event and expressed support and sympathy. I don't doubt our
government is and was doing a great deal from the beginning to help the
relief effort, more than any other country in fact. Also I never 'blamed
America first' or at all. However, the appearance of insensitivity does
matter in the long run given that the public perception of the US has been
in a serious decline for several years now. If you consider me a petty
person for saying that perceptions matter - as this President well knows as
evidenced by his very public efforts after the Florida hurricanes - I think
you're missing the point.

The remark about Christian conservatives perhaps believing this natural
disaster might be a sign of the end times is a side comment to the main
point. I personally don't believe for one minute that Mr. Bush spent much
time personally on this disaster, as that's not his style, and I wouldn't
care if he did or not. I'm sure he directed others to do things, but his
ongoing brusque public style is clearly exacerbating the decline in public
opinion of the US throughout the world. Of this there can be little doubt.

-Tony

Wayne Conway wrote in message <4mYAd.3883$4h.1713@okepread03>...
> Monday, as the scope of the Indian Ocean tragedy became apparent, I
>commented (quite seriously) to a co-worker that, within 24 hours, the
>United States would, directly or indirectly, be blamed for this horrific
>"natural" disaster. Turns out I was right (and not too proud of it
>either). First, there was the charge that we didn't try hard enough to
>warn the affected region of a possible tsunami threat when we detected
>the seismic disturbance (are we the only ones monitoring these events?).
>Not that it would have done any good, since the countries of the region
>had shown no serious interest in even a rudimentary warning system.
>Then, there was that twit from the Netherlands who felt entitled to a
>blank check from all the major economic powers even before the scope of
>the disaster had been accertained. As to your naive view that Bush
>quietly "fiddled while Rome burned" for 4 days; do you think that the
>victims and their families give a whit as to whether or not there was
>some empassioned, tearful, choreographed press event? My guess is that
>the past 4 days have been rather intense for the President, as the
>administration has tried to discern the most appropriate (and effective)
>course of action and distribution of aid.
> For the "blame America first crowd" anything we do (anywhere) will be
>seen as "too little, too late. Fortunately, we "Christian Conservatives"
>are usually able to ignore the "petty gripes of petty people" and
>concentrate on the daunting business of responding to the needs that
>disaster circumstances present.
>
>Tony wrote: (Snip)
>
>> To the Christian conservatives like Bush it's a sign of the end times
right.
>> Maybe that's why it took him 4 days to come out of his ranch house to
>> express his sympathy. That sluggish gesture won't be lost on the Muslims
>> over in that part of the world. No matter what the US does now to help
it
>> will be seen as too little too late.
>
>
>--
>Quality is a function of design, materials, and craftsmanship.
>Inspection can only confirm quality or reveal deficiencies.
>In no case, can quality be inspected into anything.
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
: bikeme wrote:
: > <[email protected]> wrote in message
: > news:[email protected]...
: > :
: > : bikeme wrote:
: > : > <[email protected]> wrote in message
: > : > news:[email protected]...
: > : > :
: > : > : carver wrote:
: > : > : > goodboy <[email protected]> wrote in
: > : > : news:Xns95CEC5136FEC6nospamcharternet@
: > : > : > 69.28.186.121:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > > Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the idolant
: > : > : > > sloths laying around on the beach!
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > >
: > : > : >
: > : > : > YOU ARE AN INDOLANT JACKASS!
: > : > :
: > : > : You may not like his ANSWER, but it's a very good philosophical
: > : > : and religious QUESTION!
: > : > :
: > : > : A well-known expression for someone who died from doing
: > : > : something extremely stupid is that "Darwin took him away
: > : > : to improve the gene pool" or something to that effect.
: > : > : Darwin (of the Theory of Evolution) was given as a reason.
: > : > :
: > : > : Of course that would NOT apply to the present disaster.
: > : > : And even if it did, it would violate certain Christians'
: > : > : belief (such as the Southern Baptists in the USA) who
: > : > : even tries to legislate against the TEACHING of Darwin's
: > : > : THEORY of Evolution!
: > : > :
: > : > : So, on the SERIOUS side, what do each of the RELIGIOUS
: > : > : groups/sects/demominations have to say WHY did god/christ/
: > : > : allah/buddha/etc. allow this to happen (to obviously
: > : > : thousands of INNOCENT victims)?
: > : >
: > : > I like the way the question is worded: "Why did god...ALLOW this
: to
: > : happen?"
: > : > Hits the nail right on the head. God didn't cause it. He's not
: > : gleefully
: > : > rubbing his hands together and cackling in joy at all the pain
: and
: > : > suffering. But he did allow it- surreptitiously.
: > :
: > : So far I can buy your religious rhetoric, though somme of it is
: > : highly debatable.
: > :
: > : > He allowed it by allowing free will.
: > :
: > : This is where your pedantic argument went completely astray. Free
: will
: > : to choose whether to have the earthquake and tsunamis or not????
: > :
: > : Surely you jest.
: > :
: > :
: > : > So Christians believe God allowed the Tsunami in that he allowed
: for
: > : the
: > : > choices that led to the fallen nature of humanity and the world
: in
: > : which we
: > : > live.
: > :
: > : By indiscriminantly killing the innocent and the "good" as well as
: > : those that caused the "fallen nature of humanity"?
: > :
: > :
: > : > From God's perspective,
: > :
: > : Jeez, now you have positioned yourself as God's spokesman.
: > :
: > :
: > : I am feeling ILL!
: > :
: > : > Just a few thoughts.
: > :
: > : Sounds a a few regurgitation of religious gobbledy gook without
: > : any critical thought to me.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > On topic- I'm heading out for my 20-miler today.
: > : >
: > : > Brian
: > :
: > : Good for you. I am running downstair to throw up from some of your
: > : "thoughts". :)
: > :
: > : -- Bob.
: > :
: > Let me try one more time. The nature of free will is that it always
: affects
: > those who are innocent of the choices made by others. For instance,
: a man
: > get's totally blitzed one night and get's in his car to drive home.
: One the
: > way, he wrecks and takes out a family of four on their way home from
: a
: > baseball game. What did they do to deserve it? Nothing.
: >
: > But, because we are all interconnected, the nature of free will
: demands that
: > we will always affect others with our choices.
:
: Thanks for trying. But all you have managed to convey to me is
: that you have a very peculiar interpretation of "free will", even
: for a religion-indoctrinated mind.

My mind is not religion-indoctrinated. I hate most organized religion. I
find it full of empty ritual and meaningless words that have no impact in
how I live my daily life. You say I have a peculiar interpretation of free
will. How so? How do you deal with the guy who made the choice to drive
blitzed and took out a family of four? Free will- it always affects people
who didn't have any say in the choice.

:
: > On the other hand, the concept of grace is also completely unfair...
:
:
: Perhaps that's why there are over 300 different sects of Baptists
: alone, because everyone can (ab)use the 'bible' and make whatever
: they want out of it, however illogical, self-contradicting, and
: absurd the conclusions may be. Religious justice is an oxymoron.

Who cares about the Baptists? Seems your problem is with your own
upbringing, not God.

:
: That's why the cliche is very true:
:
: Don't disucss POLITICS, RELIGION, or SEX.
:
: because you'll only be going in circles getting nowhere.
: -- Bob.
:
 
"Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pmJAd.14780$152.478@trndny01...
> goodboy wrote in message ...
> >Why?? What is he saying? He does not like the idolant
> >sloths laying around on the beach!
>
> To the Christian conservatives like Bush it's a sign of the end times
right.
> Maybe that's why it took him 4 days to come out of his ranch house to
> express his sympathy. That sluggish gesture won't be lost on the Muslims
> over in that part of the world. No matter what the US does now to help it
> will be seen as too little too late.

Don't see the filthy rich Arabs helping out their brethrens. Anyway, better
stay away because the Indonesian army is continuing its campaign against
Muslim separatists in Aceh. Ah, what brotherly love.
 
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